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the major is NOT hot! here is why*spoiler*


after seeing so many comments from immature viewers about how *hot* the major is, i feel like i need to explain why she isnt attractive at all. It's true that she wears a slutty outfit and it is true that her face is decent looking, but every part of her except her brain and spine is prosthetic for gods sake.
Also, her personality isnt feminine at all, before viewing the second season i even thought she was born as a man. she is shown as a fierce commander that is always in control with strong discipline, not influenced by her emotions which even a big masculine guy like batou cannot control. only until the end of the second season do we see her emotions get to her a bit.
all these qualities are anything BUT attractive, she is so manly!

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Ha ha ha yeah. But you have to admit that the English dub voice is pretty solid.

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Before I get to making my point, I think I should point out that your stating of your opinion as if it were fact and then proclaiming everyone that disagrees is an "immature viewer" is a bit self-defeating with regards to the rest of your post. People who would be otherwise inclined to consider what you're saying might not be after being called immature.

Without saying whether I agree with your or not, it's important to realize that attractiveness is very subjective and is not really something that can be quantified. You admitted yourself that her physical appearance is at least somewhat aesthetically pleasing. That is obviously what the animators intended, given her wardrobe and the copious use of fanservice.

Then you bring her personality into discussion. It is important to realize that a person's personality can affect that person's perceived attractiveness. However, on the other hand, you seem to be arguing that the other, "immature" viewers are attributing some level of attractiveness to her that her personality doesn't merit.

I'll just ask you to consider something in that regard: for the majority of the time she's shown on-screen, she's at work. Certainly there are a few brief scenes where she is shown to have something of a personal life, but we get very little glimpse of that--particularly in comparison to Togusa. We find out in certain episodes of the first season, and in a number of episodes in the second season that she is deeply emotionally wounded and has separated her professional life from her personal life. To put it shortly, we only see her when she's "on the clock" and is acting within a professional demeanor.

They use Batou to contrast this aspect of her character. He is overly emotional around her because obviously in love with her. Further, Batou can relate to human emotions on a far greater level because he lived the majority of his life before being cyberized. He was socialized as normal, whereas the Major wasn't.

My final point is this: you think she comes off as masculine, assuming that others see only that and not the balancing aspects of her personality, you're not considering the fact that the so-called immature viewers might find such assertiveness an attractive quality.

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Thanks for your insight. I do realize that attractiveness is subjective, but the basic rule of attraction is attraction to qualities of the opposite sex.

Im not sure what you were referring to by "balancing aspects of her personality". If you were talking about her personal life depictions, you need to point out a few specific examples, because I don't remember seeing much of that aside from an episode of the 2nd season.

Finally, as you pointed out, we mostly see her professional life in which she is dominant and fierce. This is probably what most viewers perceive as her only personality traits.

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I'll clarify my comments about the balancing aspects of her personality, so you can more easily see my point.

I was referring to the depictions of her personal life, as you correctly noticed. I wasn't simply referring to the episodes where her personal issues were the sole focus of the episode.

Here are a few of those examples I can come up with off the top of my head.

1) She forms attachments with inanimate objects. In an episode in the first season, she laments crushing a doll as a child when she was first cyberized. In a later episode she explains that she chooses female prosthetic bodies because she wants to be able to wear a certain wristwatch she's had since childhood. This sort of attachment indicates to me at least, that she has trouble making friends to whom she can grow emotionally attached, which gives both a human vulnerability that softens her hard edge, and reason for her to display that edge when dealing with her subordinates.

2) She also seems to look back on her childhood with a certain combination of nostalgia and sadness. I think the 2nd gig episode where she discusses her memories of the boy in the hospital (whom is heavily implied to be Kuze) and the effect that episode has on the rest of the season serves as the best example of that.

3) She has a deep respect for Aramaki. I personally think she has a respect for him beyond a mere supervisor-subordinate. I think Aramaki is one of very few people in her life that she has established a legitimate bond of friendship with. This is evident in the fact that she buys him a gift when they travel together to England.

I think all of these things highlight that she's not simply there to wear skimpy uniforms and be the object of fanservice. Certainly there is a degree of that, but what makes this anime great is that the characters are developed with subtlety. The Major looks like a tough as nails soldier for a good deal of the time, but there are moments of vulnerability that show through and give her character much greater depth.

But I reiterate, how any of that relates her perceived attractiveness is up to the individual viewer.

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You put in the best possible way with how you explained it there.

I'm trying to find out when if the 3rd season will be out atm.

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Batou is obviously in love with her? Where are you getting that from? I read that on t.v. tropes too, and it's going to bother me.
It's been a while since I've watched the series, and I can't remember it perfectly, and I didn't see Innocence or Solid State.
He does clearly care about her a lot, but I saw it as much more of a platonic, police/detective partners relationship. Like Sommerset and Mills in Se7en.

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I think it goes above a simple commander-subordinate relationship.

In the first season, he actually asks her out (in the episode "Escape From"). Then later he risks his life when the Umibozu (the hit squad that Yakushima calls in) are after them to retrieve the wristwatch I mentioned in my earlier post--which might I add HE was the one who noticed she didn't have it, and knew why she wore it. It's also heavily implied that they slept together in her safehouse in that same episode.

We also see his reaction when the Major's prosthetic body is destroyed by the sniper. Ishikawa later mocks Batou for it, which makes him highly defensive, and he acts somewhat childishly when Togusa asks about her.

His reaction when Kusanagi tells him of her possible prior relationship Kuze in the second season also seems to indicate jealousy.

When you put all of that together, the conclusion is there to be drawn that Batou is in love with the Major.

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"attractiveness is very subjective and is not really something that can be quantified."

Since mind and body are inseparable and quite possibly indistinguishable (aka materialism), then there are objective neural correlates to the subjective experience of finding another attractive. There is some STATISTICAL uniformity in what people generally find attractive: symmetrical faces, scent (i.e., lots of recent neurobiological literature has been released about), and etc. Of course, culture has a lot of interplay with the evolutionary biology too, but I do not see the point in fixating on either the subjective first-person experience of attraction or on the objective neurobiology that has causal influence. Both are complementary and it is wrong to say attractiveness is very subjective; it is simultaneously very subjective AND objective.

Moreover, the objective quality of attractiveness can ONLY be understood within the context of evolutionary biology: there is a reason we find others attractive and it is a form of sexual attraction. It helps with the continuity of our species.

Granted, we will in the future conceivably alter what people "find" beautiful by changing their neural wiring:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroaesthetics

I highly recommend reading that link, but yes, I advise taking a less individualistic-inspired outlook and adopting a more empirical valid one.

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Attractiveness is not subjective.

Well, to a certain degree, sure. But if you take a really ugly, bulldog-faced, old hobo-hag, and young Maeda Atsuko, and you show videos and images of both to 1000 people, I am pretty sure at least 999 of them will agree that Maeda Atsuko looks better, or is more attractive, or 'hot' (if you must use this ridiculous term).

The original poster is right. Just look at the original Manga, pay careful attention to how the woman looks. She's drawn very CUTE.

She has feminine curves - her chin is small, eyes are big, nose is small.

In the first movie and this show, she's drawn very MASCULINE.

Big chin, bigger upper lip, big nose, small eyes, and non-feminine hair as well. Also her voice and behaviour is not feminine whatsoever, which is another point where the original poster was correct about.

This show sometimes show her as a bit more cute than the first movie, but at the same time, she looks incredibly generic, and not really 'properly cute' - more like 'not as ugly and masculine as in the movie'.

Sure, if you put ten japanese idols in front of 1000 people, and ask them to choose, which is the prettiest, you will get percentages, and not different people will choose different idols.

But 'attractiveness being subjective' only goes so far.

Besides, when it comes to being 'sexy', it's different from 'cute'.

"Sexy" is something that has the capability to arouse you.

"Cute" can be a great many things.

A hag with an ugly face but great body can be very 'sexy' - in that you'd do her, but you wouldn't want to marry her or have emotionally intimate contact with her.

A cute girl isn't necessarily sexy at all.

In the original manga, the woman in question was both cute and sexy - because she was drawn that way. They could have drawn her that way here, too, but they chose to make her more masculine for some reason.

And this 'big chin + big upper lip'-thing I really don't get - WHO finds THAT attractive or even visually pleasing, whether it's on a man OR a woman? I knew someone who looks like that, and that individual was a disgusting creature in all possible ways. Yuck.

So, there are many kinds of 'attractiveness'es, and there are ABSOLUTES as to whether something looks feminine or masculine, or whether a behaviour, voice or attitude is feminine or masculine. It's not subjective.

If you draw a face to be cute, it will look cute. Now, there might be individuals who prefer a different style of cuteness, but even they can't deny that it's cute.

Some of the arguments here try to blur these basic truths as if to say: "Anything goes, and anything can be whatever, because it's all subjective".

But it's not all subjective. A feminine face looks feminine, a cute face looks cute, and only whether someone likes that kind of femininity or cuteness can be subjective - not the whether it IS feminine/cute. That is always absolutely objective.

There are general universally accepted measures of 'beauty', this has been proven scientifically many times. Certain faces just aren't universally cute, feminine or beautiful, no matter how much some pervert might for some twisted reason like them.

I just don't get how or why they borrowed so many things from the original manga comic, but not the feminine and cute charm and looks of the women.

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"Attractiveness is not subjective."

You are wrong on all counts, all you have to do is look at our fashion trends through each decade, and you'll find that what we consider attractive has varied throughout time.

http://stylecaster.com/timeline-sexy-defined-through-ages/


"But if you take a really ugly, bulldog-faced, old hobo-hag, and young Maeda Atsuko, and you show videos and images of both to 1000 people, I am pretty sure at least 999 of them will agree that Maeda Atsuko looks better, or is more attractive, or 'hot' (if you must use this ridiculous term)."

You just refuted your own argument. Saying 999 of 1000 people would pick Maeda Atsuko instead of all 1000 still proves that attractiveness is subjective.


"We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children"

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Nothing gets me hotter than a beautiful woman who can do martial arts, pump iron, shoot guns, hack computers and still have the fragility of loneliness inside her.

If you actually think your definition of attractiveness is the only "valid" one, then you really don't know much about love or women in general.


Boom dude, this guy knows what's up!


"Bulls**t MR.Han Man!!"--Jim Kelly in Enter the Dragon

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I think you guys are attracted to men then. I just found her annoying, and I much prefer episodes with Togusa as the lead like in the Laughing Man movie.

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You are very sexist. She was born female and still has a cool head and excellent leadership skills-it happens you know. As a female veteran I am offended by your comments. Being intelligent, strong, and resourceful are not attributes of men only- they are attributes of a well trained and experienced human being. I don't know any men like that, personally, and I have witnessed men fall to pieces in emergency situations while I and other females got things under control. You really show your ignorance here.

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Born a man? she is a female! Ok, she is a total beauty in this series and manga but butt-ugly and muscular in the anime movie. Now i would have Kusanagi as my pleasure-borg.

"Questions Questions too many questions, want shard here!"-The Dark Crystal

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pumibel, you must have a lot of pussy male friends. I have no idea what you mean by "emergency situations." Yeah, I admit if the roast is burning males wouldn't know what to do; women would get that under control, easily. Tell me when you see an actual emergency situation.

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Did anyone else read that comment in a Tachikoma voice?

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lol you actually sound rather sexist with some of your comments. Like no woman can be demanding specially if she's in charge of a group. You figure they were all Military before but hey to each their own.

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Why are we having such an in depth and detailed debate as to why she is hot.
People are attracted to certain qualities, personality or physical.

And this is an anime character.
This is silly.

Whether or not she's made out of all prosthetic doesn't matter for some people. Ever heard of real dolls? A very, very small percentile of men who own real dolls (Which is hopefully a small percentile of men in of itself) WANT to marry their real dolls.

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You are wrong, therefore your opinion is invalid. :) muahahahahahahaha


seriously though, just kidding. I mean, i disagree with you because you are wrong, but youre allowed your opinions.

no matter how invalid they are :D

/prickmode

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