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wasn't ANYONE confused by the following things that didn't make sense?


- the princess tells arthur that they're about the same age when he's a pre-pubescent boy and she's a scantily clad, robust young adult with a 47 year-old woman voice

- the random african tribesmen...did i miss something? Why were they scurrying about the yard...what did they have to do with anything...there was somethig about africa though..

- arthur has a british accent when no one in his family does and he lives in conetticut..would he really pick it up from boarding school?

-when he is "minimoysed", why does he randomly have gray hair...should he not slightly resemble his human self...at least james did while in the giant peach

- mia farrow's character who hadnt seen her husband in ages (and didn't file a missing persons report) barely smiles and gives him a half-assed hug when he finaly appears

-everyone in their world was, like, an elf/treasure troll type creature except for that one guy's son who was randomly a gerbil...

- and MOST importantly...that very un-subtle, very suggestive scene where all the kiddies are sitting with snoop-dog at an underground rave consuming whatever that was resembling a booze-and-pot-in-one type of substance...

other than the fact that this film made no sense at all, i did enjoy it because of the part where the gerbil goes "paPA!"..and david bowie..and mia farrow

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- the princess tells arthur that they're about the same age when he's a pre-pubescent boy and she's a scantily clad, robust young adult with a 47 year-old woman voice

lol i didnt see a confusion with that, she could be an over-developed 10 year olds, and arthur is obvisouly under -developed, and she grew up minimoy, so ya, i didnt see a problem with that
- the random african tribesmen...did i miss something? Why were they scurrying about the yard...what did they have to do with anything...there was somethig about africa though..

arthurs grandpa went to africa and made friends with them, they were there to help arthur with the portal thing i think
- arthur has a british accent when no one in his family does and he lives in conetticut..would he really pick it up from boarding school?

they probably put that in there to explain his accent, its possible, but i doubt it, i think they should of just had him fake an american accent, hes done it before, so i didnt understand that
when he is "minimoysed", why does he randomly have gray hair...should he not slightly resemble his human self...at least james did while in the giant peach

that confused me!!!!!!
the only thing i thought of, arthurs hair was supposed to be blonde, so ya, but it still was confusing

mia farrow's character who hadnt seen her husband in ages (and didn't file a missing persons report) barely smiles and gives him a half-assed hug when he finaly appears

LMMFAO I THOUGHT OF THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ya she didnt seem so excited, and even after-wards when the ppl were gone, she was just ok whatever
everyone in their world was, like, an elf/treasure troll type creature except for that one guy's son who was randomly a gerbil...

lol that also confused me, miro you mean, or maybe its mino, im not sure, something like that, maybe a gerbil got down to their world somehow and his dad *beep* it to do minp/miro, i dunno, he was soooo cute tho
PAPA!!!!!!
- and MOST importantly...that very un-subtle, very suggestive scene where all the kiddies are sitting with snoop-dog at an underground rave consuming whatever that was resembling a booze-and-pot-in-one type of substance...

i didnt see what was so suggestive in that?? i was a little surprised that they were drinking something that i think was supposed to be alcoholic and getting tipsy in a kids movie, but the disco dancing, that wasnt suggestive, just creepy

other than the fact that this film made no sense at all, i did enjoy it because of the part where the gerbil goes "paPA!"..and david bowie..and mia farrow

it did make sense, maybe you just didnt listen to it good enough
omg i loved that part!!!!!!!!!!!
...and arthur...and freddie highmore!! <333333333








your audience is made of typical high school students so you have to keep it at a 3rd grade level

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Having just seen this movie, I am amazed at the number of critics that panned it. I thought it was brilliant. The entire "upland to minimoy world" transition reminded me more than anything else of the creative use of color
to mark Dorothy's transition into the magical realm of Oz in the original film.

From the comments I've read, I'm now determined to get my hands on the more complete French version. The explanation about the Developer trying to steal the rubies made so much sense, and cleared up one of my personal puzzlements - when they showed the police car driving away in the American version, its sirens are shown inexplicably on. I also find myself wanting to read the books.

My take on the statues/Giant African Tribesmen thing was that in order to complete the ritual, Arthur had to place a statue at each of the points marked on the tarp. I assumed that they were intended to symbolically represent the tribesmen. Possibly, and I'm guessing here, as the moment of the portal opening would approach, the real tribesmen would be magically transported to the location of the statues? Either that or when the statues were broken, they were teleported there to fulfill that role in person. We are talking about "Magic" here, and a fantasy setting. The other thing to consider is that the tribesmen may have come to Arthur on their own, since their leader seems to stress the importance of him getting to the Minimoy world even before Arthur says anything to him.

I really had no problem with the use of Madonna's voice - I didn't even know it
was her until I saw the credits. I think the whole idea behind having an older
woman voicing the Princess was that they wanted her to sound strong and independent, and not come across as a "little girl" or the sort of princess who
needs rescuing. The people who talked about it being "creepy" that this 40-
something voice is getting flirty with a 12 year old need to work on their "willing suspension of disbelief". Madonna isn't in the movie. Her voice is.
And the Princess, by her own admission, is not that much older than Arthur.

So how does that work? How do we reconcile this whole "minimoy to human years"
thing with the appearance of her physical body. I think its simple. Most really small creatures do not in fact have very long lifespans (sorry!) and theres no reason to think that the minimoy are any different. As a result, the
age at which short-lived creatures mature is MUCH younger than a human. Lets consider: if its true that there are 100 minimoy years in a human one, then
not only would the Princess be 10 years old, her little brother would be what?
Two and a half? Granted he acts a little immature at times, but he does say
something like "I'm almost a grown-up!" And the Princess is supposed to replace
her father on the throne when she has her birthday and reaches the ripe old age
of 10. And she further states that she will rule until her eldest child reaches
the age of 10. Doing the math, and making an assumption, the King is probably
only in his 20's. Clearly, like most little critters, Minimoys do not age gracefully. (There-in lies the dilemma of falling in love with one - its kind of like in the "Narnia" stories where you're gone to the real world for a week and come back to find that everyone you knew in Narnia has died of old age!)

So obviously...what she was trying to say to Arthur was that she was really only about 10 human years old in chronological age. Yet from her speech, behavior, skills, etc...we can see that she is a fully functioning minimoy adult. Now, does that raise the issue again of "isn't Arthur too young for her?" I would say no, since remember...they told Arthur "you're one of us now" suggesting
that in the eyes of Minimoy culture, he is an adult. Movies nowadays seem to
like to include this concept of kids falling in love super young. I agree its
improbable, but I think its done for the "cuteness factor". Anyone whose raised
kids of their own knows that at ten, the other gender is mostly just "yucky".

Lets see, what else. I did not have a problem with the fact that the minimoys
all looked different. We're applying a human standard of homogeneity to them.
If you look at portrayals of the creatures of Faerie across time, they come in a dizzying variety of shapes and sizes. Theres a word for that - when the members
of a species don't neccesarily resemble one another. Can't remember right now.

And like in so many stories of faeries, they are in tune with nature, and in general, get along with other small life forms. I didn't understand why the Princess attacked that caterpillar with the sword, since it seemed to be ignoring them (?!?) but insect life seemed to leave them alone, and they would
have been easy prey for LOTS of things. As a result, I just immediately assumed
that the older fellow with the missing son was a mole. He had the pointy nose,
the bad eyesight, oversized hands (did anyone notice he had on big gloves that
would have covered his digging claws). And I think when he spoke to Arthur about Mino, his son, he refered to him as a mole. So I just assumed the minimoys live in harmony with, and can magically communicate with, other small
creatures. Moles come in a lot of sizes, with some of the very smallest types,
and other species that are similar to moles, being only a couple inches long.
Thats still bigger than a minimoy, but there were alot of times in this movie
(like in most stories where tiny creatures use salvaged human items) that their
scale seemed to fluctuate. The car was perfect in size for them, yet Evil-M's
soldiers seemed to be using straight-pins for swords, and in the Disco the tables were made out of buttons. Also, Nimo looked alot bigger when he was sitting on the "Ruby Throne" than he did when Arthur looked at him through the
magnifying glass. You have to be willing to overlook that kind of stuff.
Could anyone figure out what Evil M's servants were using for those "bombs"
they were dropping, or for the chainsaw-like things?

As far as the presence of Snoop Dog, I admit he seemed about as out-of-place
as the moment when the young prince had what looked like a light-saber coming out of his swiss-army-knife-gadget. And yet the Rastafarian character was amusing to me. I think the drink scene was intended for the adults in the audience, as were several moments in the whole dance sequence: I'm hoping the average young child hasn't seen Pulp Fiction! Yet the likelihood that it was
an alcohol/drug is nil. The stuff was being secreted by a bug! I assumed that Arthur's reaction was to the taste!

Anyway, if you can't tell, I thought the movie was a blast, and would love to
discuss it with other fans. Oh, and I have to ask, does the French version give
any insight into the fate of M? Because I noticed he seemed to get away...



Why did Arthur's character not resemble him more closely? Hmmm...I have to admit that was a conundrum for me. I was especially amused by the transport
operator calling him "Dandelion" because thats what I thought his head resembled: one of those white puffs kids love to blow on! Maybe they wanted to
stress that he wasn't just being "shrunk" he was being fundamentally changed into a different kind of being. For all I know, maybe the Chosen One always has silvery white hair! But mostly I just assumed he resembled the French voice actor that did his voice.

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Curiously.. Unlike Maddona and the other big names who olny give their voices after the production was over, Snoop dog participate in the productions, so his movementes were captured.

I also was wondering about crhonology, Beta comented that he will be an adult when he becomes 360 years old... we only can imagine that year flow diferently, but somehow not similar to human years. When Arthur sees the drawing of Selenia, in his grand fathers book, she looks to me like a children of 7-9 years.. yet the book is at least 3 years old...

Maybe the books explains the problems of crhonology.

And yes.. I wish they had been more consistent with the size scale. The fit inside a soda straw, yet Arthur runs under an ant. The princess coments that arhur measures 2.5 milimeters, yet in they disco, they must have been 2 cm to dance on the record. But on the other hand just a nerd like me, would care about this things...

And about Madona. Milene Farmer, the french artist on who they based Princess selenia, is called "the french Madona" . She had a sensous voice and have done some nude scenes in films. But in france nobody made objections about the falling in love (and marriage) of Arhur and Selenia.

http://le-monde-de-selenia.xooit.com/index.php
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5kkGfEjnWY4

Finally, i must confessed i have became a fan of this film. I have been workin in computer animation for the last 20 years. I am a fan of Pixar.. yet, after the mosquito attach, when Arthur and Selenia see each other. The flush of emotions in Selenias face before giving a shy smyle just blow me away. Those few seconds of animation are the best i have seen of the miriad of computer animated films of the last years.

I am studying that sequence, frame by frame in the hope one day a learn to do the same.

Maybe it is the story behind Maddona the problem and not her voice?...

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- the princess tells arthur that they're about the same age when he's a pre-pubescent boy and she's a scantily clad, robust young adult with a 47 year-old woman voice

Maybe the princess forget to carry a one in her conversion of Minimoy Age to Human age. And hey these days kids are entering puberty earlier. Regarding the age of Madonna, that's the beauty of animation. The age of the voice is irrelevant. I personally thought that Madonna didn't sound too old for the part and the voice suited the character. No one seems to mind the fact that a 15 year old male voice falls in love with a 37 year old female voice in The Black Cauldron.

- the random african tribesmen...did i miss something? Why were they scurrying about the yard...what did they have to do with anything...there was somethig about africa though..

The way I took that whole tall African tribe was that they magically appeared due to the requirements Arthur's father gave him to get into the Minoys. Arthur was required to get the 5 statues and place them on the 'rug'. And if my memory serves me right there were 5 tall tribesman. Of course Arthur didn't place the 5 statues around the rug but I believe that the statues are the link to the tribesman arriving in Africa. Or maybe they always arrived every 10 moons via African Air and hid behind a tree waiting to see if Arthur would turn up.

- arthur has a british accent when no one in his family does and he lives in conetticut..would he really pick it up from boarding school?

Maybe his family spent a lot of his early childhood in England?

-when he is "minimoysed", why does he randomly have gray hair...should he not slightly resemble his human self...at least james did while in the giant peach

I don't think his minimoyed grandfather looked anything like human grandfather. Guess it's part of the great minimoysation procedure. I mean Arthur does comment on how cool it was to be Minimoyed, so maybe that's the films way of recognising the fact that Arthur is different. Which brings up a question. Is Freddie, Mia et al in the French version? Cause maybe that's why Minimoy Arthur looks different, Minimoy Arthur looks like the French Arthur.

- mia farrow's character who hadnt seen her husband in ages (and didn't file a missing persons report) barely smiles and gives him a half-assed hug when he finaly appears
Umm I don't know shock and disbelief that her true love is not dead.

-everyone in their world was, like, an elf/treasure troll type creature except for that one guy's son who was randomly a gerbil...

This one really confused me. I was waiting for him to be reunited with Papa and for Papa to say what happened to you. He says that Evil M placed a spell on him and then Papa reverses spell and all is happy. I really don't get the gerbil thing.

- and MOST importantly...that very un-subtle, very suggestive scene where all the kiddies are sitting with snoop-dog at an underground rave consuming whatever that was resembling a booze-and-pot-in-one type of substance...

The beauty of wisdom. I think young children would probably have not made the connection to drugs and alcohol and would have just seen it as some wacky underground potion. It's not like the characters started acting drunk or stoned. Or maybe I didn't catch the subtle references to this.

I really enjoyed the film and can't believe it's not succeeding at the box office in the US.

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its actually 1960
but ya that was 70s and 80s music lmmfao
actually when freddie recorded the voice he was 12
and arhtur was 10
so no, i dont see a problem with that
go douche i can smell you from over here

i called her on the phone and she touched herself, i laughed myself to sleep

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Actually, Freddie was 14 when he recorded this movie He's 15 now.

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nope he was 12 recording and doing the caputres
13 when it filmed
but ya hes 15 now

And you get an issue! And you get an issue! And you get an issue!

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That's strange. I've seen an interview with him, can't remember where it was from, but he was speaking French, and he mentions body capture.




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I've read that Popcorn interview many times and I don't ever remember seeing that!
But when I did just click it up it was there. You put it there
That's weird though, because I know I read somewhere that he was 12 during body capturing, 13 for filming, and 14 for voice.
And on that weird interview (the one lisa needs cesar) was talking about, he said something about body caputring. And then he has pictures with the Selenia body capture.
Oh well, makes me happy. I can actually watch the disco scene now.
And I don't have to grrrrrrrrrr about the french version being body captured


I'm half man, half goat. Yep, Dad screwed a goat.

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Actually it was no "motion capture" involved, but it was rotoscoped.

While there were real actors doing the scenes, the scenes were hand animated, using the live scenes as reference. They did not actually used motion capture gear.

The whole process took about a year to complete. A french actor was used for Arthur.

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" the princess tells arthur that they're about the same age when he's a pre-pubescent boy and she's a scantily clad, robust young adult with a 47 year-old woman voice"


According to many other websites (and logic that applies if you are or were a fantasy (book/movie/show) fan, Minimoy years are not the same as human years. This is the case in a lot of fantasy worlds established in books/ book series/ movies. It's been a long time since I've indulged in a fantasy book, so I can't think of an example right now, but they are there. A real world example is Human years to Dog years. If you'll notice, Selenia is almost 1000 years old. This is exactly 100 times more than 10, Arthur's age. Coincidence? I think not. Perhaps, (and this is supported by other websites- just Google search for "Minimoy years") 100 Minimoy years are equal to one human year. Using this logic, Selenia would be almost 10 in human years, thus making her about the same age as Arthur.

I've never read the story this movie is based on, so I don't know if this is explained there. Has anyone read it?

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I didn't understand why Granny said the size of a tooth.
Selenia said that they were 2mm tall.
A tooth is way bigger than that.
I think it was just to add some drama and suspense when they were floating in the river or whatever it was that they were floating in.

Don't be paoki! Get some Hiroaki!

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Not even Beat Takeshi's Zatoichi?

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- the princess tells arthur that they're about the same age when he's a pre-pubescent boy and she's a scantily clad, robust young adult with a 47 year-old woman voice


Actually that's relatively minor alongside the fact that the princess says she's a thousand years old! LOL

In poor sections of Venice, are there children that grow up canal-wise?

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In the movie Arthur was very nervous about that, until he asks the princes what would be his age in Minimoys years.. and she tells him they about the same age...

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i have another major thing that troubled me....ok so its a kids movie but lets not be so polite with the writers...i mean they are professionals...so what's up with the ending?? arthur randomly throws a baseball and fixes everything...??!! i mean he could kill Milo.....weak ending to a beautiful movie...

From All The Things I Lost, I Miss My Mind The Most...

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I thought of that when Arthur threw the baseball!!!!!!!
I think I might have said something to my mom but I don't remember.
Yes, it was a beautiful movie.
Maybe Mino knew to get on the rubbies.
But stuff like this is in a *beep* load of movies.

PAINT IT GREEN!

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if you watched the weak ass US version, then yes - this is the ending.

if you watch the Euro version, you see that the contractor they pay off actually stole the cop's gun, and tried to steal all the gewls. he got stoped by the giant african guys, and the contractor was arrested. This better resolves the conflicts in both the 7-kingdoms, and in 'real' (full-sized) life.

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Thank you!!!!
I thought I was crazy thinking the lines went so fast sometimes.
It's because the animation was done in french so they had to like hurry up and do stuff. I think that's what somebody said on here.

This has been discussed so many times
Minimoys mature faster
In minimoys, she's an adult
Who knows maybe when Arthur brings her up to his land (I think he does in the 2nd book?)
then she might look like a little stump 10 year old.

Don't be paoki! Get some Hiroaki!

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If i remember.. betameche has "only" 360 years.. about one third of Selenias age, yet he comments he is about to reach maturity...

On the other hand.. Selenai comented that by tradition, she should marry adn became rulers of the Minimoys when they she gets 1000 years old, then when her children get 1000 she should pass her trone.. Sooo her "old" father must be about 20 human years old... So Arthur must get hurry or Selenia would be and old womman soon...

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Well I didn't really care. I guess I don't question fantasy or science fiction moives. I thought that Madonna's voice was perfect for the movie, I really did, I did how ever think about a ten year old falling in love, it's a little crazy. The african tribemans people, yes there were five of them, all apeared magically since they are connected to the Minimoys (that what I guessed) so that's how they got there. Also The movie was taken pace in 1960, not the nineteen fifties. also I think Mia Farrow just looked surprised, I mean I would just be in shock and awe istead of running around and jumping for joy and all that jazz if I just saw the love of my life return after three years and to think he was dead. It's quite a shocker. I actually liked how Highmore's Minimoy's character looked, with the spiky white hair and all, I love that animation! It's so cool! I loved also how they transitioned from both worlds so quickly and I barely noticed until you would get far intro the shot. Maybe I'm just a sucker for good animatied kid's flics, also I didn't get the feeling of that the soda/ juice stuff were alcoholic, also I found the music very funny in the movie, I laughed out loud when they were dancing to and fighting,I found it hilarious.

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Was definitely confused and somewhat grossed out by the characters in the (what looked like they were trying to outdo the StarWars bar scene) disco scene which was also wrong year...some shots looked like male nudity, the green concoction etc had a bit too much reference to DOPE. With Snoop Dog being transported to 1960 it's TOO MuCH PC Crap and shouldn't have been in there at all. Superfluous. Unnecessary. Excessive.
Also the entire movie was excessively frenetic and speeded up, like the director was on meth. Almost too fast to comprehend so why not slow it down; our kids are hyper enough already. And don't say it's because it's in french. I still give it a 6 but could have been so much better. Freddie is a jewel but he's even getting long in the tooth. 'Bout time for him to do a Jim Hawkins, everybody else does.

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Honey please. Take this to Dr. Phil

Freddie is a jewel

Yes, you're absolutely right
but he's even getting long in the tooth

Oh my god he has braces now, that's all being fixed

I know what you mean. But he's only 4'9 still looks the parts


A fellow GET BETTER FREDDIE supporter.

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Actually, Freddie is now 5'1". I know it's still tiny for his age, but I just didn't want him to seem shorter than he already is. xD;;;

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- the princess tells arthur that they're about the same age when he's a pre-pubescent boy and she's a scantily clad, robust young adult with a 47 year-old woman voice

:Like someone said he is human and she was born and raised Minimoy so she would be more acustumed and used to it and she would seem older than he.

- the random african tribesmen...did i miss something? Why were they scurrying about the yard...what did they have to do with anything...there was somethig about africa though..

:The Minimoys were in balance with the African Tribesmen.The Tribesmen knew that Arthur's grandfather had went missing so when the time came for the portal to be opened I figured they watched over it to see if he was sent back or Arthur went after him.

- arthur has a british accent when no one in his family does and he lives in conetticut..would he really pick it up from boarding school?

:Actually I was in boarding school in england and yes I picked up an accent one like Arthur.I think its rather nice to have someone pick up an accent from boarding school in a movie.

-when he is "minimoysed", why does he randomly have gray hair...should he not slightly resemble his human self...at least james did while in the giant peach

This got on my nerves.I rather hated it but,besides he looks cute like that.I think that they tryed to do golden hair but,it blended in with everything else so they just used silver.

- mia farrow's character who hadnt seen her husband in ages (and didn't file a missing persons report) barely smiles and gives him a half-assed hug when he finaly appears

:Maybe she knew where he went and she didn't want anyone to know the secret and try to steal the minimoys.But,yes she should have jumpped on him and gave him a huge ass hug.

-everyone in their world was, like, an elf/treasure troll type creature except for that one guy's son who was randomly a gerbil...

:That really confused me I figured that they would all look like Princess Selenia or Arthur when he got minimoysed.

- and MOST importantly...that very un-subtle, very suggestive scene where all the kiddies are sitting with snoop-dog at an underground rave consuming whatever that was resembling a booze-and-pot-in-one type of substance...

:Yeah I didn't like that part but,the fighting and dancing at the same time was funny!


other than the fact that this film made no sense at all, i did enjoy it because of the part where the gerbil goes "paPA!"..and david bowie..and mia farrow

:I loved the movie.Im watching as Im typing.

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