Anyone else think this film is too preachy? - Six: The Mark Unleashed (2004) Discussion

[–] Pop_238 18 years ago

Damn mang, I thought it was remarkably unpreachy for a Christian film. I was channel surfing late at night when I came across it and I honestly didn't realize it was a religious flick for a good 15 minutes or so.

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[–] flyinghigh21 18 years ago

Well, the first 15 minutes really doesn't hint at religious undertones.

HOWEVER, once the main characters get arrested/detained, I might as well have had a crack team of Preachers talking to me. It was then an uberChristian machine.

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[–] faniwhiskers 18 years ago

the film isnt to "preachy". thats why they call it a chistian film to get the message out. personely best christian movie ive seen.

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[–] flyinghigh21 18 years ago

I don't know, but Baldwin came across to me as some sort of uberChristian. During the prison scenes, he seemed to be pretty much damning all other non-Christians to their own fate. A tad bit elitist, not to mention his character was living in his own little world there.

Also, like I said earlier, the scene where he meets Tom for the first time is rather pushy. He calls Tom a fool for not knowing scripture. That, to me, is a bit fanatical and hypocritical. It's also why I changed the channel before they escaped.

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[–] docp 18 years ago

I couldn't agree more. The film is far too much into commercial, evangelical, alleluia, holier-than-thou religion - all the worst excesses of zealous, religious fanaticism without a trace of real Christianity. A complete travesty!

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[–] faniwhiskers 18 years ago

balwin didnt say that "tom ur a fool because of how u inerpreted the scripture" he could be saying it because of y he was he was in jail for. and it wasnt pushy.

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[–] TheSolarSailor 18 years ago

Oh, it was painfully pushy. This is another example of "Oh, I am a Christian now, write me a role that shows how perfect and Godly I am for all to see". Please. People watch this kind of crap and get turned away from religion very quickly, thus the whole self delusion of converting the masses that these pompous people who made it are under falls flat on it's face. Believers like to pretend like they would be so secure in their beliefs, hence movies like this, but if push ever came to shove, we'd all see. Belief should never make one prideful. Too bad that those in charge of and/or starring in this travesty didn't notice this. Oops, their pride blinded them as they haughtily forged ahead.

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[–] KBMommy 12 years ago

TheSolarSailor - It feels to me that there is far more judgement & anger in your post than in any of this movie. :( That just makes me sad for you.

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[–] jackiebee32 18 years ago

i think the reason he called tom a fool was because tom was lying about being a christian and trying to BS his way through scripture without getting caught.

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[–] nickdove 18 years ago

Flyinghigh and all others, if you don't want to be preached at then don't watch a movie which is clearly a "christian" movie. Christians can make any movies they want and however preachy they want, and it's your american right to not watch them if you don't want to.

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[–] TheSolarSailor 18 years ago

I love that lame defense, "then don't watch it". Sorry, but what about you silly types who force it on other people? that is the Christian way, isn't it? I never would have watched this crud had it not been plopped into the player by somebody else, but there it was. I was flabbergasted at how dumb it was and couldn't take my eyes off of it. It was hilarious!

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[–] TheSolarSailor 18 years ago

"Ok well theres my rant. Hopefully someday decent "Christian" movies will be made. (I don't like sectioning off "Christian" like that cause really, its not a genre or shouldn't be at least. We don't have "athiest" movies. "Muslim" movies. We have movies about those two or reflect those beliefs but we don't call them that. They're just "movies"). But anyway, I wish there would be more Christians making "movies" than just people making "Christian movies""

That is very true, but these very Christians who make these films are responsible for making their films fit into what can be considered a new genre...a genre of crap, I might add. Other films that tackle religious issues from other faiths simply set out to tell a story, just as you are suggesting. It works. The films are accepted for what they are and classified as drama or whatever. Christian films get classified as "Christian films" because of all the reasons you just wrote about. The bad quality has made theme something worthy of a separate categorization.

Your whole post was very good and made excellent points. While I am no longer a Christian myself, I am totally with you about their just making films with quality and talent first, trying to make the situations as real as possible. Their message about God that they hope to convey will simply fall into place if they would focus on this first. You are right, people aren't stupid and don't want these silly preaching films shoved into their face. People laugh at this garbage and it achieves absolutely nothing.

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[–] JESUSDIED4ME1985 18 years ago

In response to the topic question no I loved the film and like alot of films some others don`t. Well it is great that we can make our choice when it comes to what we love or not...

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[–] JESUSDIED4ME1985 18 years ago

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[–] eddiechristo 18 years ago

A Christian movie without THE message is like an
action film without any fighting,explosions,etc.
There HAS to be a message in these kinds of movies!
If the message is hidden to the point where the
movie is nothing more than an analogy,then how is
anyone going to get saved through these films?!
Sure,CHRONICLES OF NARNIA had some Christian
analogies in it,but so did SUPERMAN,E.T.,THE
MATRIX,ROBOCOP,and just about any other fantasy
coming out of Hollywood. Did anyone come to
Christ after watching these movies? I don't think
so! Did anyone come to Christ as a result of
watching "laughable,preachy" stuff like the LEFT
BEHIND movies,the THIEF IN THE NIGHT series,or
even the Billy Graham movies? The answer is YES!
Those who come on here bashing Christian movies
are usually non-believers who'll do so anyways
because they don't love Jesus!

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[–] TheSolarSailor 18 years ago

"Did anyone come to
Christ after watching these movies? I don't think
so"

But we were talking about the garbage crap quality of Christian films, not religious analogy. Your stories could still be told and is told every onec in a blue moon by a film maker with talent, but mostly it is hacks who make laughable garbage like Six: The Mark Unleashed. Any genetically altered Christian sniffing mutant bounty hunters after you yet? I didn't think so.

"Did anyone come to Christ as a result of
watching "laughable,preachy" stuff like the LEFT
BEHIND movies,the THIEF IN THE NIGHT series,or
even the Billy Graham movies? The answer is YES!"

Anybody who comes to Christ after watching Christian themed horror flicks is a weak minded fool who is scared into doing so. That's right, I said scared into it! How pathetic can you be if you are proud that people get scared into adhering to a belief.

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[–] fusionj88 18 years ago

The fact that generally Christian Movies aren't scary, fails to back-up your post. How can one be scared into something if you're not scared to begin with..? However to a person that believes, they SHOULD fear God. Why? The answer is quite obvious, God is all-powerful and nothing is above him - thus fearing things in this life such as other people or demons/spirits/ghosts (whatever floats your boat) is pointless as they cannot act against you without permission from God in the beginning.

On a another note, Christian Movies are improving. The industry lacks both money and talent, however it does not lack God. If God wishes to reveal Himself to somebody through a movie which seems terrible to another, He will, whether that particular movie cost $1,000 or $10,000,000 to make it simply does not matter. The person that made the earlier statement that Christians Movies without a Christian Message is like an Horror without fear, a Romance without love or a Comedy without laughter - is completely correct.

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[–] KBMommy 12 years ago

Billy Graham, yes. Not so sure about the Left Behind films - we were so sad (as were the authors of the books) that so much was changed from them - some of it very key things. But different things do of course appeal to different people. I am looking SO forward to next year's movie about Rich Mullins - it is going to be amazing!! Rich Mullins: A Ragamuffin Legacy i think is the name. THAT will show Jesus to people in a non preachy way.

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[–] mrsnaye 12 years ago

Some of you missed the whole point of the movie's timing. Christians believe that Jesus will return and take all Christians to Heaven. Then Satan will have control of the Earth for 7 years through the antiChrist (aka the "Leader" in the movie). This movie is set in year SIX (hence the name). That is a time where anyone who has become a Christian since the rapture (when all the original Christians were taken to Heaven) will be killed if caught. The Christians in the jail were without care about death because they already knew the world as it was had less than a year left and to die a Christian means instantly to wake up in Heaven.

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[–] renata77 10 years ago

Regarding whether or not it was "pompous" for the character Luke to call the character Tom a fool, you have to consider the context as well as the timing. As harsh as it seems, scripture says "The fool sayeth in his heart, 'There is no God.'" It's a wake-up call statement. This is the end times. While I cannot see myself saying such a thing to anyone, in the film, time was coming to an end, and, in the circumstances, the character felt the bluntness was necessary. This isn't a reflection of "pompous" Christians trying to flex their muscles and make themselves look holy for the viewers; far from it.

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[–] Rapturegal 10 years ago

I saw "SIX" for the first time last night. The premise of the film is biblically accurate. A one-world dictatorship will happen eventually. It is closer than most people think. We all saw how quickly millions of people blindly fell in line with Barack Obama, a man who came out of nowhere and basically said nothing of real value. Well the same ignorant idol worship can easily happen again -- this time on a global scale with another smooth talking leader who will make Obama look like an amateur. The world is crying out for just such a leader to fix the problems of the nations.

The charge that SIX and other Christian films are "too preachy" or "cheesy" will always come from those who hold a stubborn aversion to accepting Christ. That is really the core issue here, not the production quality or script. The 12 Apostles were also called names and run out of many towns for being "too preachy" by people who rabidly hated hearing the Truth. Only those with a real hunger to know God will have ears to hear the message.

And the dead shall be raised incorruptible,and we shall be changed.~1 Corinthians 15:52

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[–] KBMommy 12 years ago

Flyinghigh21, did you know it was going to be a Faith-based film when you started watching? I'm just a few minutes in, it looks pretty interesting. It was/is supposed to have a message, so i wondered if you knew that or were surprised by it. I hope it's well done, so many of these bum me out because they're not well done, or not faithful to the book (the ones with Kirk Cameron - ack! Books SO much better!) I'm glad they have a good cast, that's why i am giving it a chance. I expect i won't really hear anything new, but i know these guys just have a heart for people, that they'll come to know God. The End Times stuff did become a bit of overkill though, i personally think for myself, as a follower of Jesus, that it would be cool to see not just the dramatic end of the world. It would be cool to see people of faith doing things for others now, and not just when it's all scary.

I think the point of the film is to tell people, there is an end coming to this world and we - the people making the film - want you to know these things. So i think it's up to the audience to decide if it's too preachy. And hopefully i made some sense here :)

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[–] KBMommy 12 years ago

I'm not sure what you mean by elitist here, the point is that we are DESPERATE for people to ... imagine it this way, there is a flood and i have a boat and you're in the water. I will be as "uber" anything to get you into the boat and save your life! So maybe that is the intensity that you are seeing. He wants people to know the Lord and not bow to an Idol - he wants to help them be saved, and when we get to this time in history, there will be a passion for people, because there won't be a lot of second chances. And people who call themselves Christians want you to get in the boat and be safe. I wish i could say this instead of write it, it's always best to talk about those things, imho, when you can see the honest concern in the face of one telling the story. I don't want to force anything on anyone, but when i go to heaven? I want as many people as possible to go too. And God wants it even more than humans, because He LOVES us silly humans. "He would rather die than not have a relationship with you", i heard from a really great teacher the other day. And He did die.

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[–] Bruce7 8 years ago

It is chilling
Matthew 25:7

Can you fly this plane?
Surely u cant be serious
I am serious,and dont call me Shirley

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[–] Bruce7 8 years ago

It is chilling
Matthew 25:7

Can you fly this plane?
Surely u cant be serious
I am serious,and dont call me Shirley

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[–] jesse859 16 years ago

There have been several films which preach Gnostic propaganda, but not many people seem to mind that. And no, this film was not too preachy.

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[–] Dmaldonado70 16 years ago

No, I do not think it was too preachy. I think it was a pretty accurate picture of end world times.

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[–] Bruce7 8 years ago

It is relative to Today's times
Matthew 25:7

Can you fly this plane?
Surely u cant be serious
I am serious,and dont call me Shirley

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[–] voodooloa_812 15 years ago

A Christian movie being too preachy? Noooooooo...

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[–] NewYorkRipper 14 years ago

Considering the basic premise of the movie is the Antichrist, it's all a lot of nonsense.

There's no way it could possibly happen.

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[–] filmbuff1974 12 years ago

I thought the preaching sequences were some of the most effective scenes in the movie. Inspiring, truth be told. I think you should be mindful that there are viewers out there who are looking for answers and are in the process of making decisions that will affect their lives and movies like "Six" are useful tools for that.

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[–] Bruce7 8 years ago

Agreed.
2 Timothy 4:2

Can you fly this plane?
Surely u cant be serious
I am serious,and dont call me Shirley

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[–] Bruce7 8 years ago

You just mean you have rejected the Truth
John 12:48

Can you fly this plane?
Surely u cant be serious
I am serious,and dont call me Shirley

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