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Jet Li is a complete liability

posted 18 years ago by gordon3-1
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After watching this film I have come to the conclusion that Jet Li is completely and utterly worthless as an action star. Now dont get me wrong, I've always known that Li was a hack even dating back to his chinese soap opera days, but it really took for this film to cement that belief. I'm gonna run through the reasoning behind this, so bear with me:

1)Jet Li can't fight: Yes that's right, Jet Li is completely oblivious about fighting. He has no stand up skills to speak of in terms of practicality. He can't throw a punch to save his life, and he looks embarassing when he starts using them. Bottom line is his hands are worthless. Now that wouldn't be so bad if ole' Jet knew the ground game, but he doesn't even know that. He doesn't know any submission moves or locks so he can't even fall back on showing us that. The only thing he does know is how to throw a bunch of fast and harmless kicks that have no impact in them, just like your everyday tae kwan do guy who's all style but no substance. To top it all off Li's like 5'2 and weighs 55 kilograms. So, with all that being said, how am I supposed to buy this guy as some kind of cage/street fighter? Why is this guy even a martial arts star?

2)The choreography is abysmal: Sometimes having a lead who can't fight well isn't much of a problem, so long as the choreography around him makes him look like he knows what he is doing. This, unfortunately, is not the case with Li. The choreography here is pure comic book stupidity. I just can't say anything more about it. Now I would think that with the advent of MMA that the general public would, through it's gradual and increasing exposure, begin to be educated about martial arts. I would also hope that after a while of watching MMA that people would begin to expect more of martial arts films, and that watching cartoons come to life like Jackie Chan and Jet Li would slowly begin to get irritating due to it's mind numbing stupidity. I don't know if this is happening, but hopefully somewhere down the line people who choreograph these fights and the actors that participate in them will slowly feel themselves out of a job. Which is a fate what they strongly deserve in my opinion.

3)Jet Li can't act. I don't know what it is with martial arts actors, but sooner or later they start becoming delusional in their abilities and actually start believing that they're genuine actors with genuine acting talent, so much so that they actually believe that their fans pay to see them portray drama instead of action. This virus has infected many people of the genre including Steven Seagal, Van Damme, Jet Li and possibly many more. The truth is nobody cares about plot and acting in an MA film, if I want acting I'll go watch Marlon Brando, not Jet Li crying and playing piano for an hour. This is made all the more difficult when someone like Jet Li can't even speak English.

In short, Jet Li is completely worthless as a martial arts star and as an actor. He has ZERO talent in both arenas, and is therefore a complete failure at life and should retire before he continues to embarass himself any further.

[–] LimitlessZero 18 years ago

Bravo.

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[–] kennerstarmaster 18 years ago

"Jet Li can't fight: Yes that's right, Jet Li is completely oblivious about fighting. He has no stand up skills to speak of in terms of practicality. He can't throw a punch to save his life, and he looks embarassing when he starts using them. Bottom line is his hands are worthless."

Yep thats also how he he won a total of five gold medals in the China national championships for martial arts for 5 consecutive years, from 1974 to 1979. (which no one to this day has ever done) Thats also why he was has "no talent" that he won his first national championship when he was nine years old. Jet Li is also 5'6 and 66 kilograms NOT 5'2 and 55 pounds. To be educated in martial arts you should try doing some training, how about doing a basic stance for a couple hours and see how your legs feel? You really know nothing about martial arts.

The choreography was fine i don't know why your crying about it. They limited wire movements and you get to see a lot more fighting then most martial arts movies. Although it is not a pure martial arts film because theres just as much drama as fighting but most people did not have a problem with it because it was incorporated into the movie pretty well.

As for Jet Li being a bad actor i can agree with you on that, but hes not casted into movies for his acting ability his acting gets better with each film.

Get your facts straight before posting next time. At the end of the day your just some guy with a low self esteem that needs to bash movies to boast his ego. Please go outside.

[–] Zdamort 18 years ago

owned

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[–] Zdamort 18 years ago

double owned

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[–] LimitlessZero 18 years ago

I'll just say this, not as an argument of differing opinions to anyone here...

Against a random chump or a group of random chumps, I think Jet Li could hold his own and quite possibly come out on top. But if you pit him in a fight against a professional (or group of professionals), he may have a chance and hold his own for a while but will most likely end up either receiving defeat or retreat. Thats just my opinion.

[–] igiveup2345 18 years ago

he was trained in the martial arts! he won five championships in a row, something no one has ever done! he would do a whole heck of a lot more the hold his own.

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[–] kennerstarmaster 18 years ago

First of all I was never intended to come off as an "expert on everything" but thanks for the compliment. I simply did a bit of research, something you neglected to do before bashing martial arts movies or martial arts in general. (which you know nothing about)These "forms" are not practiced just to be visually elegant this is martial arts not figure skating. Any of those weapon forms or fighting styles if practiced on another person would be fatal and they should not be used on other people unless it is a matter of self defense. If you can't appreciate a good action film starring real world class martial artists then don't watch them. Why do you insist posting on imdb and crying about it? No one wants to hear you cry about how bad it was. I'm sorry the carefactory is out of stock please go to #cry and idle for support.

Most of these people actually enjoyed the film. Has anyone shared your opinion?? Um, no? (Limitless's useless +1 does not count)

"But tell me though, while you were busy mastErbating (hehehe)" (Very smart and mature and well thought out comeback especially for someone whos I.Q is measured in decimals)

I did not memorized Jet Li's stats I took them off his bio. You stated that the choreography is bad but failed to provide sufficient reasons as to why it is bad. You stated that "He has ZERO talent in both arenas, and is therefore a complete failure at life." (Good job spelling area. Jet Li has made millions of dollars, he was the won numerous wu shu titles, and hes a global action superstar. If thats being a complete failure at life with no talent then you should quit life right now.

I recommend you stop trying to boast your E-ego with your pathetic attempts to sound intelligent by bashing movie stars and their talents. Your bad at life. Somebody's mom should have swallowed instead of spreading their legs. Please do the whole world a favor and learn from your parents mistakes and use birth control. Either that or uninstall life right now kthanxbye!

[–] gordon3-1 18 years ago

Kennerstarmaster, you are persistent I'll give you that. Even when none of the facts are on your side, you still actually believe that you can prove me wrong. Tis' of little matter, it just makes my job a lot easier.

First of all, I don't understand how you can even debate me on this issue. I inititially said that Jet Li can't fight and that he's a bad fighter, why? Well, get this, because he's never fought in his life. He's even admitted it. So now, please explain to me, in words that resemble English, as to how Jet Li can be considered a fighter if he's a forms champion and if he's never had a real fight in his life?

Wait, back up, did you just say that Jet Li is a world class martial artist? In what exactly? Wushu? Alright, so do they now consider ballet dancers to be martial artists? Because that's the equivalent of what Jet Li does. No contact, no basis in reality, visual impact for the sake of practicality, yep, they sound about the same, but somehow I don't see people calling Mikhail Baryshnikov a martial artist.

Third, this is not a fan board for Jet Li, this isn't even his page, it's a page devoted to his little movie, and if I feel like trashing Jet Li and his complete incompetence I have every right to do so. The funny thing is is that you claim that nobody want's to hear me complain about this film, and yet here you are arguing with me. Being an idiot must be bliss for people like you, no?

Fourth, you want me to say why the choreography was bad, what, do I need to spell it out for you? Jet Li cannot punch, his hand work is atrocious, he cannot grapple, all he's got is fancy kicks and somersaults packed onto his 5'2 55kilograms frame, and he's supposed to be this unbeatable street fighter? He is supposed to take on 10 guys at a time? The way the fights are handled are idiotic, people take like 20 right hands to the face and it's like nothing happens, the bald guy seemed to have his arm broken but a second later it's like nothing happens, I guess he just "shook it off", the cage fight scene was especially idiotic because it has no grounding in reality, since you're supposed to be this expert martial artist, how exactly can you not see all this?

Fifth, you are really a complete idiot. Checking up on spelling mistakes is completely desperate, but it just comes off as stupid when you have no idea what is being said. I did not mean to spell areas, I meant to spell arena, as in the "arena" represents one each for his films, and the other for his fighting capability. I guess metaphors are a little to complicated for an idiot such as yourself.

Sixth, I said that Jet Li is a complete failure at life because when you really start to look at it, he is useless in both avenues. He cannot fight, yet he markets himself as a martial arts badass, and to top it all off he can't act to save his life. I dunno about you, but to me that sounds like someone who is not fulfilling his job requirements. Second, what the hell does it matter if he's won Wushu titles? That's one of the most embarrassing things in the martial arts world, it just means that he looks good doing stupid moves. As for him being a millionaire, I fail to see how that invalidates my point. Him being super rich just means that there's a whole legion of deluded idiots willing to buy into the stupid fantasy that Jet Li is selling. He seems to attract these fools like flies on crap, Jet Li being the crap, and therefore being a complete failure at life.

Toodles.

[–] SupremeSpeedo 18 years ago

the main thing about jet li is that he is an entertainer and he does it well. so what if he can't fight in real life? so what if it's all choreographed? who gives a flying **** it's still entertaining to watch like most other hollywood films. man you gonna start bagging out tom hanks for playing the role of a commanding officer in saving private ryan even though he's never been in the military?

so **** off and go cry else where u little bitch

[–] gordon3-1 18 years ago

The thing with actors portraying military officers is is that it's a lot easier to do as opposed to portraying a seasoned street fighter. All you gotta do is read lines of a page, get a buzz cut, and look like you know what you're doing with an M1. Not terribly complicated to fake. Now with the whole streetfighter thing, well you're supposed to actually look like you know how to fight. Jet Li does not. Once again not necessarily a bad thing if the choreography around you makes him look good, but once again it does not.

I'm glad that you find Jet Li entertaining, but my opinion in regards to that is if the entertainment is built around a coating of stupidity, then I am not entertained by it. Case in point: Saving Private Ryan. But back to this film, if I want to go watch dancers I'll go to a Hooters, not a 5'5 Chinese midget trying to sell me the fact that he's a street fighter in some stupid psuedo drama new age advertisement for the multi racial family.

As for all these other idiots saying that Jet Li would kick my ass in a fight, well that may be true actually, but first thing he would have to do is grow himself a couple of inches so that he can get past the doorman. Little children are not allowed.

Lastly, Karamba, I appreciate your opinion and everything but judging the entire Asian fighting establishmen on the basis of Jet Li alone is a little misguided and makes your posts look uneducated. Bottom line is is there are a lot of great Asian fighters out there. The other poster was right when he brought up Sakuraba, but also guys like Bj Penn, Gomi, Kid Yamamoto, Genki Sudo and many others are some of the best lightweigths and welterweights in the world. Higher up the ladder they might not have as powerfull a presence, but you still got guys like Yoshida, Nakamura, Kondo, Funaki, retired now but who in his prime who defeated the likes of Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock and Bas Rutten, and Fujita, who completely destroyed Bob Sapp so you're wrong about Sapp dominating all Japanese fighters. Also the reason Japanese fighters do not go into the UFC is because why should they? Especially when they can fight in PRIDE organisation which is in their own country and is a much better org than the UFC.

As for K1 well apart from Musashi you're right, they are not well represented, but keep in mind that many premier fighters in K1 got schooled against Japanese wrestlers in MMA rules, like for example Peter Aerts, 3 time K1 GP champion who got subbed in less than 2 minutes agains a mediocre Oyama with a heel hook. Also ex GP champ Mark Hunt got subbed by Yoshida in his first PRIDE fight and current K1 champ Semmy Schilt was dominated on 2 occasions against Funaki.

But you do have somewhat of a point. When most people think of martial arts they think of some old Chinese guy with a long white beard executing a kata in a Buddhist monastery. Or Jet Li for that matter. Indeed, it seems that apart from the film medium, Chinese martial artists do not constitute even a speck on the radar. I mean the current K1 champion is Dutch, the current PRIDE heavyweight champ is Russian, the PRIDE middleweight champ is Brazillian, the PRIDE welterweight champ is American, and the lightweight champion is Japanese. In the UFC all the champions are American except the heavyweight champion Arlovski who is Belarussian. In Pancrase it's the same story, with the number #1 guy being American Josh Barnett. So I guess you can say that it's not Asian fighters as a whole who overrated, but more specifically the Chinese who dominate films and cartoons yet who are strangely absent from the real world.

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[–] johnwslu 18 years ago

@socktheorist

You are a complete fool. You obviously have no understanding of mixed martial arts so please dont comment on it. You talk about UFC fighters and people who practice martial arts like they are two different types of people. Its called MIXED MARTIAL ARTS because, get this, they practice martial arts. You dont see UFC fighters fighting fighters bigger then them because we have this thing called weight classes in the US. In japan however smaller MMA fighters take on larger fighters every year in a grand prix. To say that these UFC fighters dont have skill and they just wear their opponent down with strength is rediculous and you obviously know nothing about jiu jitsu or any submission fighting at all. In conclusion, stop posting nonsense based on nothing but stupidity, if you dont know anything about the topic we dont want to hear what you have to say.

Ps, on the whole jet li thing. The guy does practice wushu which is not a effective method of attack or defense in actual real life situations. The purpose of mma was to find out what would happen in real life situations when certain martial arts were to match up against each other. Because it exist we know what forms of striking are most effective.Wushuu is not one of them. And would jet li go up against anyone with a well rounded fight game, he would get owned. He would most likely be submitted in about a minute or so.

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[–] TitoVicandJoey 18 years ago

>Fujita, who completely destroyed Bob Sapp<

Oh yeah, Destroyed and owned.
Cheek out that leg trip take down he does. I would call that skill.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/bob%20sapp/video/x8nmk_kazuyukivs-bob-sapp?from=rss

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[–] revans7583 10 years ago

Yeah,I know this is old.
But I'm calling you out on this
"The thing with actors portraying military officers is is that it's a lot easier to do as opposed to portraying a seasoned street fighter. All you gotta do is read lines of a page, get a buzz cut, and look like you know what you're doing with an M1. Not terribly complicated to fake."
I've never had much trouble differentiating between actors who had actually served in the military and those who haven't.
You know who shares that ability?
Every other veteran in the country.
Probably the world.
Know why it's so easy to "fake it" for you?
Because you have no personal experience with the real thing.
Just like it's easy for your hand to "fake it" for you in your love life.

[–] CptHowdy87 15 years ago

the main thing about jet li is that he is an entertainer and he does it well. so what if he can't fight in real life? so what if it's all choreographed? who gives a flying **** it's still entertaining to watch like most other hollywood films. man you gonna start bagging out tom hanks for playing the role of a commanding officer in saving private ryan even though he's never been in the military?

Hit the nail right on the head.

Devoting as much time and making as longer posts as the OP does just to trash a movie star is really quite pathetic and only other sad bastards who like ripping on everything rather than enjoying things would agree with him.

Excellent film, plenty of action, a great touching story and the fight in the bathroom is absolutely stunning and riveting.

9/10

[–] Zdamort 18 years ago

:goes to get popcorn, comes back:

you guys are the best.

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[–] bsy 18 years ago

I don't even like jet li but I think he'd win in a fight against gordon3-1. Hahahahaha!

[–] genesisclimber7 18 years ago

Yeah, I think Mr Expert up there needs to tell Jet Li to his face that he can't do fight scenes...

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[–] Karamba 18 years ago

Lets get real Asians cant fight PERIOD you want proof look up K1 and UFC Bob Sapp humiliated every Asian fighter finishing them in seconds. As for UFC o wait a second has anyone seen an Asian in there haha nop (there are few but they are not even worth a mention). I have watched one fight with some Japanese guy vs uhhh cant remember grrr but who cares the Japanese guy got destroyed. WANT EVEN MORE PROOF boxing want even more PROOF kick boxing. Its a myth that Chinese, Japanese and so on are these great martial art fighters and so on NO THEY ARE NOT.

You put Jet Li in UFC the poor guy will get the living *beep* kicked out of him and that’s a FACT.

[–] djstatika 18 years ago

"Its a myth that Chinese, Japanese and so on are these great martial art fighters and so on NO THEY ARE NOT"

I have never read anything more ignorant. The chinese had developed highly advanced fighting techniques before christ was supposed to have been born.

Here is a video of one of the gracies (legendary jujitsu fighters in ufc which im sure you know) being beaten by a japanese fighter: http://www.youtube.com/w/Gracie-vs-Sakuraba?v=OS6MmGLWS5o&search=gracie

Yes Jet Li would be beaten in UFC, hes a 40 year old 5 foot man who specialises in forms. So what? Would you prefer to see films like once upon a china with an ugly, sweaty, bald UFC champion playing wong fei hung? I wouldnt.

Jet li is excellent at what he does, who cares if he can fight in real life or not

[–] walugi 17 years ago

You are a complete and utter idiot.

1. Bob Sapp sucks huge cock. The man is the biggest *beep* talking, pussy there. He has no skills. At all. Ever. Nada. Zilch.

2. The Chinese Military has better hand to hand combat than most others, probably only rivaled by Russia. It destroys the US forces in this field.

Just because they don't abuse roids doesnt make them bad fighters. If it was a freestyle fight, i;d like to see them against the masters of Shaolin. You know, the guys who snap spears with their necks.

You are an idiot.

[–] Aceacesuited5555 16 years ago

And thats why all of them are making millions while you losers are sitting on your computers acting all tough. WHO GIVES A *beep* if Jet Li can fight or not and considering how rich he is I bet he doesn't give a *beep* either.

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[–] ZhouTai21 15 years ago

To Karamba: Well, if you're counting mixed Asians as well, then what about Lyoto Machida? He just beat Rashad Evans a month or two ago to become light heavyweight champ in UFC. :)

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[–] tmmpl 18 years ago

just so u know gordon3-1 Wushu is one of the worlds hardest hand to hand martial art there is to learn, as it is so quick. Just because he has never been in a fight does not say he wouldn't do well in one, the point of learning martial arts is just incase you get involved in a fight but the best choice is to avoid one, any one who learns martial arts just to be a good fighter is doing it for the wrong reasons.

For example a police man is trained to use a gun but he hopes he never has to use it, martial arts is like that, you know how to use it to hurt ppl but u hope that u dont have to.

[–] Sidewindr 8 years ago

Technically Wu Shu is a demonstrational art not a fighting art, it is meant to showcase chinese martial arts but is not an actual applied fighting art.

I would also contest your comment on it being the world's hardest martial art to learn as there are many other Shaolin based family styles that are very difficult to master and require years and years of training.

[–] karateluke2000 18 years ago

What the hell is wrong with you? You come in here and trash Jet Li's skill, art and philosophy just because you don't like the man's movies? You call Jet Li a failure in life, well let's compare notes.

Jet Li was trained in Traditional Wushu which consists of the following styles:

Baguazhang - Eight-Trigrams Palm
Bajiquan - Eight Extremes Fist
Chaquan - Cha Fist
Chuojiao - Poking Feet
Ditangquan - Ground-Prone Fist
Fanziquan - Overturning Fist
Houquan - Monkey Fist
Huaquan - Hua Fist
Paochui - Cannon Punch
Piguaquan - Chop-Hitch Fist
Shequan - Snake Fist
Taijiquan - Ultimate Supreme Fist/Boxing
Tantui- Spring Leg
Tang Lang Hu Shi - Praying Mantis and Tiger Style
Tonglonquan - Praying Mantis Fist
Tongbeiquan - Through-the-Back Fist
Wing Chun
Xingyiquan - Shape-Intent Fist
Yingzhaoquan - Eagle Claw Fist
Zuijiuquan - Drunken Fist

Jet Li has trained and mastered the following weapons

Changsuijian - Long-Tasseled Sword
Shuangshoujian - Two-Handed Sword
Jiujiebian - Nine Section Whip
Sanjiegun - Three Section Staff
Shengbiao - Rope Dart
Dadao - Great Sword
Pudao - Pu Sword
Emeici - Emei Daggers
Shuangdao - Double Broadsword
Shuangjian - Double Sword
Shuangbian - Double Nine Section Whips
Shuanggou - Double Hooksword

Jet Li has won the following championships

1974 – Youth National Athletic Competition: broadsword form gold medal, optional empty-hand form gold medal, all-round gold medal;
1975 – Third Chinese Wushu Championships: long fist form gold medal, spear form silver medal;
1977 – National Wushu Competition: long-fist form gold medal, broadsword form gold medal;
1978 – National Wushu Competition: long-fist form gold medal, optional empty-hand form gold medal, broadsword form gold medal, all-round gold medal;
1979 – Fourth Chinese Wushu Championships: long-fist form gold medal, optional empty-hand form gold medal, broadsword form gold medal, sparring form gold medal, all-round gold medal.

Jet Li has has starred in over 30 films.

Fearless (2006)
Danny the Dog (AKA: Unleashed) (2005)
Cradle 2 the Grave (2003)
Hero (2002 in China) (2004 in US)
The One (2001)
Kiss of the Dragon (2001)
Romeo Must Die (2000)
Lethal Weapon 4 (1998)
Sat sau ji wong (1998)
Once Upon a Time in China and America (1997)
Black Mask (1996)
Dr. Wai and the Scripture with No Words (1996)
High Risk (1995)
My Father is a Hero (1995)
Meltdown (1994)
Bodyguard from Beijing (1994)
Fist of Legend (1994)
The New Legend of Shaolin (1994)
Fong Sai Yuk II (1993)
Fong Sai Yuk (1993)
The Kung Fu Cult Master (1993)
Last Hero in China (1993)
The Tai Chi Master (1993)
Once Upon a Time in China III (1993)
Once Upon a Time in China II (1992)
Once Upon a Time in China (1991)
Swordsman II (1991)
The Master (1989)
Dragon Fight (1988)
Born to Defense (1986)
Shaolin Temple 3: Martial Arts of Shaolin (1986)
Shaolin Temple 2: Kids from Shaolin (1983)
Shaolin Temple (1979

What have you done in your lifetime gordon? What styles have you mastered? what rank are you? How much money do you own? How many people even know you exist outside of this message board? All you have managed to do was come on this board, piss people off, spout nonsense, and sound like a middle school kid going through some hormonal changes. Jet Li has done things that you will NEVER EVER accomplish in your life time. Just because your life is a waste doesn't mean you have to take it out on him and his fans. So instead of being jealous, go to a club and try to get laid by woman or man (whatever you prefer) and release some of this hostility.

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[–] vegita147 18 years ago

Good lord.

Gee, a guy who comes on here and unflinchingly trashes EVERY SINGLE attribute and movie of Jet Li, insults a poster by questioning his sexuality (among others who are also talked to like subhumans), then proceeds to make fun of the names and styles of Chinese martial arts? And this pisses everyone off in the process, right? I've seen more blatant trolling than this, but it's fairly high up there.

And I hope you're not judging his lack of submission moves off of this movie alone. He was supposed to be a feral fighting machine, not a tactician.

I'm not even a Jet Li fan (haven't seen enough of his movies to judge)...I checked this board because I liked the movie so much. I didn't rent the movie because of the fight scenes or choreography...I expected fighting, but the overall story and premise of the movie was the whole reason I rented it in the first place. But whatever. I'm getting off-track here.

The guy who started this topic is not an idiot by any means, but he's still a mean-spirited ass all the same. This whole thread seems like less of a critique of Jet Li and more of a chance for this guy to sharpen his claws with anyone who disagrees with him. You know, one of those people who likes to argue (and hurl insults) just for its own sake.

Also, people jumping in with, "JET LEE WILL KCIK UR AZZ CUZ UR STPUID"...yeah, that's not really helping either.

Not everyone will like the same movies, to say the least, but this is a bit ridiculous.

[–] Diaeresis 18 years ago

Well said Vegita... but unfortunately, this board is populated almost entirely by inadequates desperate to prove themselves in some way. There are some intelligent discussions here and there that don't involve a bunch of guys comparing penile length, but they're few, and far between.

[–] unleashfieryhell 18 years ago

i totally agree, i feel like the guy who started this thread is just looking for attention. why satisfy him? just ignore him.

[–] pdean8 18 years ago

Tai-chi is classed as a Form martial Art, yet it has a very devastating effect when used in real-life. Most of the Form Martial Arts have been taken from proper Martial Arts in the first place so if he is a champion of Wushu then he could most likely adapt it to be used in Real-life. that's my 2 cents

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[–] Albino-Nomak 18 years ago

For fecks sake, we get the point, you dont like the film, fine, thats your opinion now do the people who appreciate the film a favour and p1ss off, stop being a troll for no good reason

[–] LimitlessZero 18 years ago

Hey, hey, hey! My useless +1 goes to me and noone else! I'm not on either side because I'm the neutral noggin, scalawags! YAAR! =P

[–] bah_humbug 18 years ago

They're actors in films. Its not real life.

Honest.

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[–] Karamba 18 years ago

I understand that they are just entertainers but Jet Li is selling him self as a real fighter a man with fighting experience why else do you think people go see his movies he cant act worth *beep* and his fighting scenes are garbage we all can name Asian fighters who would do 5 times a better job then Jet Li the only thing he has going is hype ohhhhhh he can fight and all I am saying is that he could not crush a grape fruit most of us on this board could kick is rear end dude is like 5,1 and probably like 115 lbs come on most women weigh more then that.

I respect Bruce Lee because the was in several fights, No one can say anything about Chan because HE DOSE IT FOR REAL NO CGI or ropes same with Jaa. Jet is as fake is you can get. By the way has he made a good movie yet?.

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[–] schuey100 18 years ago

Jet Li isn't selling himself as a real fighter. In Cradle 2 Grave's DVD extras he said that the guys he fought in the film (real MMA fighters) would kick his ass in real life.

Jet Li is a talented martial artist (this does not mean that he's a talented fighter) who has made several good movies, any way you slice it. End of discussion.

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And that's why I like Jet Li. It takes a lot for someone to say something like this. It's easy for someone like Jet Li to start believing the hype but he's grounded and puts on a great show for the cameras.

Look at other 'martial arts' actors. Van Damme gets his butt kicked by a bouncer, others either beat their wives or take to drugs.

Jet Li knows what he is, and that's an entertainer.

It's like saying "Al Pacino is useless, a waste of time, real gangsters aren't like that. He's not realistic at all"

Well perhaps but that's not the point. Generally people who kick off over things like this lift far too many weights and think too much about themselves. Leave the testosterone at home and enjoy it for what it is.

[–] Ivarq 18 years ago

Bruce Lee wasn't exactly a heavyweight himself so the weight is not a case, even a 115 lbs can kick you hard with right momentum and that's what Bruce Lee had. You can use your 260 lbs body with no momentum at all, using only your arm (most of the big guys do that)or use your 115 lbs body with momentum and with all the 115 lbs. But if you don't have speed you don't have anything.

[–] abstract_daddy 18 years ago

Gordon's probably a troll, so I'll simply say that movies will always be movies. I've watched some MMA fights, and they are utterly boring. I don't want to see a boring action film. I don't care if Jet Li's MA is street effective, I really don't. The only thing I care about is whether or not it looks cool.

So, movie != reality and reality != movies. Jet Li doesn't have to know "the ground game" because he's an actor and groundwork isn't included in his choreography. Don't confuse reality with movies.

[–] gordon912 18 years ago

His hollywood movies suck. Go watch some of his Hong-Kong and CHinese movies. They are so much better. And yes my name is Gordon. but not the same one that posted this thread

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[–] gordon3-1 18 years ago

waingro-1, how can an obvious idiot such as yourself have such good taste in films? Now my enjoyment of Heat will be sufficiently diminished because I know that you like it as well, and to think that both of us have something in common is truly disturbing.

Now normally I would argue with you by giving a long thought out and descriptive answer as means of making you look like an idiot, but I know that when arguing with morons such as yourself that that is just a big waste of time. Your brain by all inents and purposes probably hasn't even sufficiently developed yet so as to comprehend complicated information. So instead of all of that, I'm just gonna post a video of Jet "pitbull" Li in a Wushu competition as a means of rebutting your mind numbingly stupid points, since the video will do a better job than I ever could.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=490812850916409674&q=jet+li

Yes, yes I am surely jealous of Jet Li "having all the moves". I don't know whether to applaud his flexibility and grace or to yell and hollar while I slip 10 dollars into his g-string, "lol".

Idiot.