reminded me of jason robards


Before seeing this, I'd only read a few dozen of this guy's poems on the internet and was pretty blown away by them. Seeing this documentary really opened my eyes to what a genuine human being looks and sounds like. Broke my heart learning his story, but, man, the dude could talk about anything. He was without shame. I'm so interested in this guy right now, I just wish I could have read a few of his books before seeing the documentary. Amazing guy. Oh, yeah, and he reminded me a lot of the late actor, jason robards. Similar features, similar voice, humble carriage. I don't know, thought that was interesting.

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I just saw "Born Into This" last night, rented on DVD. You are right, that
was a good obesrvation, he does look and kind of act like Jason Robards.

I am one who just does not get poetry, but I found this guy to be a really
good guy. Very human and open. I think that is the thing, famous people
start to build up their personna, and maybe start to believe it and move
on from there.

Bukowski was holding on for dear life his whole life it looked like.

I was particularly impressed, or say shocked, at the fight scene where he
just screws with his wife, telling her he has asked her to leave and she
hasn't gotten the hint, he is to nice, and soon he will sick the lawyers
on her, then he works himself up into a frenzy and kicks her.

That moment was worth about 800 Hollywood movies. Just to see good or
bad how real people behave instead of all this falsity, plastic that
over a lifetime makes you doubt you are even human, or question what that
even means.

Somehow he figured out a way to connect with humanity and touch people
even though he was dealt a really bad deck of cards in life, his sadistic
father (assuming his story is true), that incredible acne, and his ugliness.


I wonder what he meant by saying "Don't Try" which is his epigram on his
tombstone.

A very weird but interesting guy. Now it seems all remnants of this kind of
thought and life are fading away. The bookstores that used to do reading of
guys like him are closing down and going away, and people do not even know
that this kind of thing can exist or happen.

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"I am one who just does not get poetry, but I found this guy to be a really
good guy. Very human and open."

Well put. I've never been able to read poetry but something about Bukowski's poems make them accessible to me: they seem down-to-earth, about real people and experiences, and he hits on emotions that make you think "Hey, I recognize that feeling/experience/observation/whatever". I don't feel like I'm forcing myself to read pretentious BS (that's not a condemnation of all poetry, just my reaction to most of it)...it feels real.

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ikiru1973 wrote:
>> I've never been able to read poetry but something
>> about Bukowski's poems make them accessible to me

Yeah, I agree. I also feel ambivalent about his way
of being in the world though. He talks about how the
world is down on certain people, yet it makes one
believe that were he one of the prvileged we might
have never heard from Bukowski as he would be too
busy being an a-hole to have any time to self-reflect
or write. Oh, the paradoxes of life! ;-)

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Good point. The guy definitely wasn't an angel by any means and was probably very hard to be around for any length of time. Then again, you can say that about many creative people (painters, directors, singers, etc.)

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"Don't Try" as in "Don't try too hard (to write, live your life, etc.)". Avoid being pretentious, in a way.

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Jason Robards could have played him better than Mickey Rourke's "Snaggletooth"("exit..stage right!")cartoon imitation in Barfly.Robards was very old at that time however.

I read in one of his published letters that Dennis hopper brought Sean Penn to him around the time of filming for 'Colors'..Penn was interested in doing a version of Factotum or Ham on Rye as i recall.I know he(Bukowski)was against it at the time.
I'm a big fan of Bukowski's work..I have several recordings of him reading on cassette tape,LP and CD. I have read all his novels (except for Factotum)and his short stories,and most of his prose/poetry. I've seen him in other documentaries (Poetry in motion) and as an extra in Barfly.
He really wasn't that nice a person. As a writer,he was brilliant.
At least he was honest about it.
I'd like to see how Matt Dillon portrays him in 'Factotum"

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I saw Factotem, and after seeing Bukowski in the documentaries, he did a very respectable job. He was probably more likeable in the movie.

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I know this is 8 years after your post so who knows where you are now, but I just watched Born Into This and thought EXACTLY the same thing during a few parts. I think sometimes it was the angle as much as anything else, but the inflection also.

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