Tell me again ...


... why a movie set in France, or Frogland, about French, or Frogs, people has a bunch of Brits playing the roles? Do the filmmakers think we're that stupid? This one was agonizingly boring -- and not very good either.

If you must, use the device from HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER where the Russians all speak Russian for the first 15-20 minutes, then seamlessly slide into Russian-accented English for those of us Ugly Americans that don't like reading subtitles (I'm one of said UA's). Don't BS me into thinking Brits are Frogs.

I'm sorry, Michael Caine as a man named Pierre Brossard? BWAHAHAHA! With an English accent too (and yes, I know he's British).

I'm sorry, but this bothered me from the opening scene. Lame.

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]Tell me again ... why a movie set in France...about French people...has a bunch of Brits playing the roles

Well, why not? Its based on a novel written in ENGLISH by an Irishman, so why not have English speakers in the film? Whether they are English speakers with English accents or English speakers with French accents seems pointless in terms of verisimilitude.

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It amazes me (and amuses me) when people complain
about French characters being played by British
actors, or Germans being played by British or American
actors with little or no accent (or how about the old
American films where Asian lead roles were played by
white Anglo/Saxons [John Wayne as Genghis Kahn?]).

Yet, pretty much only true Southerners complain about
all the lame Southern accents that are in movies about
the South. Why isn't there an uproar about all these
fake Southern accents. I am from North Carolina
and we do NOT talk like we are from southern Georgia.

My point is - the enjoyment (or lack thereof) of a movie
should be about its plot and its characters, not the
accuracy of the accents spoken by the actors. While the
first few minutes of a movie about French characters who
speak with British accents (or North Carolina mountain
characters who talk like Georgia gentry) may keep me from
suspending my disbelief, if the plot and the acting are
strong, then I will become involved after those first few
minutes. And that's what counts.

By the way, the use of racist nicknames for foreigners
only helps to INVALIDATE anything a reviewer might write.

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By the way, the use of racist nicknames for foreigners only helps to INVALIDATE anything a reviewer might write.

Hear, hear! "Frogs"? "Frog-land"????? The original reviewer should stuff those terms back in the Cracker-Jack box from whence they came.

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Maybe it's because of the plot. Do you believe that French would ever make a movie like this one? Almost forty years after WWII it seems that just a few Frenchmen don't keep Vichy traditions. Those two poor investigators didn't manage to find a single person who would not cooperate, but at least not obstruct the investigation. Annemarie even emphasized that she had to ask a man from army to help her, because there is nobody in police she could trust, the whole police is based on Vichy regime and all they do is protect each other. It seems that there are more Nazis in France now then there have been in Germany in 30's...

I don't want to say that France is not ready to confront their history and their dark spots. In fact, I can't remember any other country that has made so many self-accusing movies about Holocaust. Une vie en retour, Le piano oublie, Un secret... and so many others more or less famous.

But while France admits its role in holocaust, admits that even ordinary and otherwise good, honest, kind people made wrong decisions, wrong choices, French authors would never go so far to say that whole country is guilty, and that the Catholic church (in the country where majority is still Roman-Catholic) played major role in collaboration and, later, hiding and helping those who were accused for war crimes. This could be made only by old French "friends" across La Manche... or English Channel, as these authors would prefer to say.

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I don't think it's French people as a whole. A lot of French fought the Nazis. A lot of French were socialists and communists. A lot of French still are! But the institutions of the French ruling class, the government, the police, the church, the business elite, are quite reactionary. That's not the same as French people as a whole. In any country people are divided by various social distinctions with different interests. The investigators in this movie were being hampered mostly by representatives of the Catholic Church, a deeply reactionary institution which was in fact in bed with the Nazis.

The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of history.
-Mao Zedong

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As in any other social, ethnic etc group certainly some members of Catholic church did accept Nazi ideas. However, look for information what happened to Catholic church in Germany and how many priests were sent to Auschwitz and similar nice places where their life was so pleasant that they never left (at least not alive). So Catholic church had no reasons to applaude or adore Hitler and Nazis - maybe rather Mussolini and fascists, but they didn't have much influence in France. And if the authors of the movie have some unsolved relations to Catholic church, they are probably not caused by Hitler but more likely by Henry the Eight.

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