Revisionist History


With all due respect to the Adams family, I am appalled by the image this film presented of 19th century American slavery. In all, but one scene African-Americans were portrayed as existing as something more than property. The whites were polite to them and the slaves displayed loyalty to their owners, it’s as if slavery was never an issue in the American Civil War.

I did not have a problem with the way Union Troops were depicted, war always bring out the worse in all people—just look at Abu Ghraib. Some of you will be quick to point out that the movie is a love story and not a history lesson. But it is a not just a love story between a man and a woman. It is also about one family’s love for a distorted memory of the past. In fact, many other Americans share a sentimental view of pre-civil war Southern culture and that is what troubles me about this film. That it is attempting to validate the illusion that the aristocratic South was a terrible lost, while in fact it deserved to be destroyed.

Still, I must give credit to both the technical and dramatic aspects of this movie. Although it is by far not a professional achievement, it is an impressive first attempt. I hope Julian Adams continues making movies. However, his future projects should be more emotionally detached so that he can stand back and see their true merit.

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You might be right. I too noticed the "one of the family" treatment of the black characters, but I'm not sure how to judge this. Given that movies are notorious for having to distill complex topics into a few seconds of screen time it's no surprise that things get distorted. It is of course possible that there is a great deal of documented history that the Adams folks were very supportive of blacks so that's why it ended up being portrayed this way. Or, as you suggest, it's a bit of a white wash. In any event you are quite correct that this doesn't portray the typical black experience in the mid 1800's.

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And what, may I ask, Mr. Shornel, do you know about "the typical black experience in the mid 1800's?"

Southron

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First of all, this is a movie about the relationship between a northern woman and a southern men. The A-M's in the film were secondary characters at best. Second, why do you have a problem with depictions of southern whites being polite to slaves? In the south, this is a matter of breeding (to be polite), to everyone no matter their particular race or social class. Also, as it today today, most whites and A-M's tend to ignore the more awkward question of race with a kind of forced politeness. Lastly, serious scholars of the south, both north and south, view your statement that the aristocratic south, "in fact [it] deserved to be destroyed" with distain as the mark of an uneducated person who hasn't the capacity or imagination to look past the simplistic dogma fed them in public schools by the victor--It is known in scholarly circles as the Yankee saint, Southern sinner school. I don't supose it matters to you that slavery existed in the north during and after the War Between the States, and wasn't prohibited in the North until late 1865? That laws were past in the northern states making it a felony for freed slaves to imigrate to the northern states--Only Washington, D.C. was open to immigration. Or that your General Grant owned two slaves during the war? (He rationalized this away with the statement that "good help was hard to find.")

Southron

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This sounds like a movie that is interesting to check out. It's hard to find "Civil War" movies that don't completely demonize the South for the horrible sin of wanting to have a government by the consent of the governed.

"Revisionist history" is actually a term much more applicable to the OP's terribly misguided point of view.

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Ye gods, another dilettante who watched ROOTS and thinks he knows something about slavery.

If you had read anything at all from the period, like diaries, or newspapers, or any legitimate history books on the subject, you'd know that not all slaveowners (both North and South) were Simon Legree.

Most "slaveowners" owned only one or two slaves, and their treatment was generally nothing like that portrayed by Hollywood in recent times. These people had to be trusted with everything in the house, including the most valuable of all -- the owner's children. I'm not saying they were treated as equals, but they were trusted, and often it went both ways.

One example you can read about in accounts of the US's longest and bloodiest family feud, the White-Baker feud, also called the Clay County Wars, which lasted from the early 1800s (maybe), until the 1930s, though there's evidence it isn't quite over yet. At one point Federal troops had to be called in.

One of the Whites left for the California Gold Rush in 1849, with their only slave, and those two worked a small, mildly lucrative claim for a year or so, whereupon White returned to Clay County, KY, leaving the slave to manage the claim. After a time, they sold the claim (with the slave handling the sale in California), and the slave returned -- with the cash -- to the family in Clay County. Doesn't exactly fit in with the crap you usually hear, does it? Probably because made-up lies sell better than the truth.

Were all master-slave relationships like this? Undoubtedly not, but then again neither were they all like the junk you're force-fed by professional race pimps like Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton ... or that scumbag Obama used to worship with.

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Old thread but one point to remember is that the going price for a slave back then was equal to the purchase of a luxury Mercedes today. Does one maltreat their Mercedes for no reason? True, some slave owners mistreated slaves for the slightest misconduct but most slave owners treated their slaves well (considering they were still "slaves"). It paid to keep them healthy and happy and they were given sexual partners as "wives" and fed them well so they could produce. Many stayed with their owners after the war working for what was pitiful wages but many whites were treated the same due to the poor economic times post war.

As ugly as slavery is, it just didn't make sense to treat them poorly if you wanted maximum return on the investment. Those that rebelled or took off were abused terribly but this was not the case in general.



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