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so did michael in real life do it.


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uh i read the book and watched the movie...so i think he did...

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Uh, the movie and the book was based on a true story einstein. Yes, of course he did it. I even did research. So he is where he belongs.

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He's where O.J should be.!!!

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yea im pretty sure michael did it... if u go 2 marthamoxley.com thats a really good website like its her oficial website wit a lot of update info if u wanted 2 know more and everything...

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iheard he admitted it when he was in rehab

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i definitley dont think he did it. besides the fact that the evidence in the case points AWAY from micheal skakel - new evidence points towards Koby Byrant's cousin and his two friends, who went to school with skakel. and the sad part is that the people that write these books, dominic dunn and mark furman, are pretentious pricks that wish to be better than what they are - you have to look at the backgrounds of these "authors." dominic dunn had some skanky daughter who tried to be an actress and was killed; this guy barly mourned long enough for the ground to harden before he tried to profit of her death. this guy is all about throwing celebrity names and pretending that he is important - he is a gossip columnist and nothing more. and for Mark Furman, he is a pompus racist. both of these men feel that, somehow, the rich are this untouchable group that should be looked up to. they are sad men and need to get real jobs.

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Michael Skakel is as guilty as they come. This new story he has made up involving Bryants cousins who he claims were there in Belle Haven that night in 1975 is a total lie, There is no way Belle Haven security would let three hoodlums into the community. Skakel has evidence all over him, Why would he place himself at the crime with his story about masterbating in a tree, The tree where which she was found? The golf club that was used matched the set in the Skakel home. He also changed his alibi so many times. Michael Skakel is a drunk, a liar, and a murderer, and if it wasn't for Mark Fuhrman there wouldn't be a conviction today.

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first of all, Mark Fuhrer, i mean Furhman, is a racist and uses other people as a way to make money, he is a douche. the fact is that those clubs were accessable to anyone, as they were on the lawn, and anyone could have gotten into Bel Haven, its very close to the highway - and from personal experience, it is easy to get into. the sad thing is that the media hyped it up like no other because he is related to the kennedys. its ridiculous

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I don't remember if it's mentioned in the movie or not, but the Skakels did something royally stupid when they realized what DNA could do if the case was brought out of cold files. They hired their own private investigators, and concocted stories completely different than what they had originally claimed, explaining away any evidence that could be found.

Tommy claimed he and Martha had been intimate shortly before her death. This would make the presence of any semen, hair, skin cells, etc. understandable. But Michael's new story was about the stupidest, unlikely thing ever.

He claimed first that he was with his cousins during the time of the murder. Later, when technology could get him, he claimed to have been thinking about her, liking her and stuff, and he went to her house and climbed a tree outside her room (actually, this story may have been for the night before). Anyway, according to Michael, when he realized she wasn't there, he pleasured himself while up in the tree (remember, right by her window) and then zipped up his britches and went back home. His claim is that she climbed the tree later and the semen from his little bit of fun transferred from the tree branches onto her. He also claimed that he had gone to her home and called out for her, looking for her. And he claimed that he thought he heard something, so he picked up a stick and swung it into the darkness. All this would cover evidence of sexual activity, anyone hearing him call out her name, and any movement similar to beating her with a golf club that someone may have seen in shadows. To expect that thinking people would believe this is insulting.

The problem is, there is probably no way to know 100% that he did or didn't do it. The only people who were there were him and the victim. The local police botched up the investigation beyond belief. They left the crime scene before it was secured, and a part of the golf club disappeared in that period of time. They questioned and searched every other lead, but when it came to Bobby Kennedy's nephew, they stepped so lightly, they let his sister perform the search rather than go and do it themselves.

Mark Fuhrman showed a SERIOUS lack in judgement when he used a racial slur against O.J. Simpson, but that doesn't mean he's not a good, thorough investigator.

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As soon as the police found the matching set that matched the murder weapon right there they should've got a search warrant but instead went after other people who didn't know Martha very well, And the reason they kept away from the Skakels was because of their connection. Michael for sure killed her, He changed his alibi so many times and even had admitted to others that he believed he may've killed Martha but was too drunk to remember. This was indeed a cover up from the Greenwich Police Department. The grip of the club went missing because "Skakel" was printed on there and whom else would leave it there unless it didn't belong to them? It's obvious that Michael commited the crime but before speculation you'd think Tommy was the murderer because he was supposedly last seen with her. If you haven't yet, Read the book Murder In Greenwich, It's better then the movie.

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With the golf clubs, weren't they basically trying to say that, yeah, the clubs belonged to the Skakels, no question, but since the boys didn't take care of their things, leaving them out in the yard overnight instead of bringing them in, that someone just picked them up?

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That was one theory mentioned but the community was so gated and private that it couldn't of been possible however there was a highway close by that people could actually come off to enter the community, But what were the chances of something like this happening on that night. Michael either took the grip himself because of his mother's name on there or either a fellow greenwich police officer found it and hid it as a coverup because of who the Skakels were.

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I think it's most likely that Michael snuck over and got it. I can only imagine what he would have spent Halloween day doing. I would think he'd be keeping a close eye on what was going on over at the neighbors' place.

I try to keep SOME faith in the law enforcement agents. They were idiotic and cowardly (to not do what they needed to once evidence clearly pointed to the Skakel boys) but I don't think they immediately tried to go for a coverup. I think it was just a colossal blunder. In Greenwich, CT, there's no denying that they wouldn't have even ever had to deal with a homocide case before, so perhaps securing the area just wasn't something they figured would need to happen (I suppose it could make sense that, if you don't start out assuming everyone's a suspect, that a killer would be long gone and all the friends and neighbors would know enough to not try to touch the body.)

I'm naive. I know. :-) I still think Michael, Tommy, or another Skakel took the golf club.

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What does racism have to do with this? You left wing nuts would let Charles Manson out of prison if he was black.

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Dunne's daughter was not a "skank". She was an innocent victim of domestic abuse. And Fuhrman is not a racist.

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A few questions for you:

If the evidence points to koby's cousin why after two years has a new trial not happened? The Skakel attomey's are well-funded and well-connected, so it why hasn't it happened by over two years later?

You do know when the Skakel's hired a detective agency to provide an alaiabi the investingation pointed to Michael, don't you?

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Because they've already convicted "their guy".



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Oh my Lord! You've said some truly terrible things here--it sounds as though you're actually blaming Dominique Dunne for being murdered, for being strangled by her boyfriend? Unbelievable. Calling her a skank? Saying she "tried" to be an actress (uh, she WAS an actress--she was in Poltergeist and she didn't have a chance to be in many more productions *because* she was murdered). Dismissing her awful death and trying to smear her father for trying to make sure her murderer saw justice? And another newsflash--Dominick Dunne and Mark Fuhrman are both very successful writers and media figures, and Dunne is also a producer. I hardly think they need your career advice.

Nearly everything you've said has nothing to bear on the Moxley case and is just an attempt to confuse the discussion by resorting to libel and ad hominem attacks. Not only have you failed to make your case, in fact you've weakened your case because if you had an actual argument, you would've presented it instead of resorting to shrill personal attacks.

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dominic dunn had some skanky daughter who tried to be an actress and was killed;


Wow what an idiot. Dominique Dunne WAS an actress and her murder had nothing to do with her acting career. They guy who killed her confessed on the spot and only served FOUR YEARS. The jury system is a joke. How exactly did he "try and profit from her death'? Moron.



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Who the hell are you kidding? Nice touch there trying to run my name through the mud once again and pointing the race card. Michael Skakel's white in case you didn't notice. I collared the prick. He did it. He knows he did it. He's a sociopath who thinks his money can buy him his freedom. Nobody can ignore this. All evidence point to him. I will expose those rich scum who think they can hide behind their money and titles even if people like you are so dumb to realize this. I got a real job, how about you? Sitting here talking *beep* like you know ins and outs. You need to get a real job saves you from spreading *beep* on the net about matters that you know nothing about

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I think he did. He has tried to get out of jail soo many times! For awhile he was in a jail near my house.

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Tony Bryant was hired by a Texas law firm when he told them he had a law license in other states. It was discovered that he held no law license anywhere when he failed the Texas bar exam.
He settled in a case involving cigarette taxes when he was a cigarette distributor.
He was convicted of robbery in California.
He supposedly held this story for over 25 years rather than go to police and tell them he "knew" who murdered Martha Moxley.
Tony Bryant has a history showing him to be a liar, a thief, and a scam artist.
Michael Skakel confessed to Martha's murder more than once.
His story changed over and over.
His alibi fell through.
His only "bad luck" (and good for everyone who believes in justice) is that he got found out.
Look for the Sutton Report online and read it. You should be able to tell from it who murdered Martha Moxley.

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Yes, DNA would be the supreme test if.... if they still had the 2 hairs after some 25 years!!!!!!
Anyhow the real guilty will not escape God's judgement or karma law ( whatever vocabulary of your religion/believe system )

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There has recently been an admission by T. Bryant that 2 of his black friends were at the scene at the time of the crime and that they later admitted to the crime and even bragged about it. In fact, forensic evidence was found at the crime scene that includes hairs from a black person. M. Skakel's only bad luck was that he climbed a tree (which was far from the tree of the murder) after coming back from his cousin's, hours after the time of the crime. This is what provided the strongest circumstantial evidence for his conviction, even though the times don't add up. In fact, M. Skakel said that he heard voices coming from the direction of the crime scene as he ran home.



I would not believe a word of what Tony Bryant has to say about this case. Although he was taped telling investigator Vito Colucci that his friends Adolph Hasbrouck and Burt Tinsley killed Martha, he then backpedaled and stated: "I wasn't there. I didn't see who killed this young girl. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion. At no time did I say I saw what happened or know who did it."

It now appears that Bryant, who was collaborating with Crawford Mills in writing a screenplay based on the case, tried to make himself seem important by stating he knew who the actual killers of Martha were. He implicated Tinsley and Hasbrouck, never dreaming that Mills would take him seriously enough to tell Dorthy Moxley about this new information and then go to the defense with Bryant's claims. During the deposition, Bryant, Tinsle, and Hasbrouck all pleaded the fifth—against self-incrimination—although both Tinsle and Hasbrouck maintain their innocence, stating they were in Belle Haven before the murder. One admits he went back two days after the murder.

Certainly their versions make more sense, considering Bryant told Colucci that at one point, Bryant, Hasbrouck, and Tinsle were smoking and drinking with fifteen other kids (including Martha), and that the latter two spent the night at Geoffrey Byrne's house. However, in the thirty-five years since Martha's death, not a single witness remembers any of the trio present during the night in question. Bryant's implication of Byrne's involvement is also suspect, considering the latter is deceased. Byrne's brother, Greg, says "it was 'convenient' that his dead brother would be named as the local connection for two youths from the Bronx, one of whom is black." Geoffrey's friend, Neal Walker, adds that "[Bryant, Tinsle, and Hasbrouck] had been in the neighborhood before and after the murder.".

Concerning the black hair, there is now some question as to whether a hair belonging to a black person was ever present. During the trial, it was revealed that there were many hairs present at the crime scene. Two of those did not belong to Martha. One hair was profiled by Terri Melton as being "Asian." Melton did not elaborate, which means it is unclear whether the hair belongs to someone from Indian-Asian ethnicity, or Southeast Asian ethnicity. The other hair was dark, but no mitochondrial DNA could be retrieved to do further testing. Moreover, there was also a white hair found at the scene, but it was lost.

The mix of hairs (white, Asian, dark) suggests that an albino, an Asian, and a brunette killed Martha. Or more likely, the hairs may not even be involved in the case. The two hairs were not found on Martha's body, but rather they came from the blue blankets the police placed over her corpse to preserve her dignity. There is every chance that if the blankets had not been properly cleaned (or even reused), there was simply cross-contamination. Ultimately, there is no sure way of finding out if that was ever the case, as the forensic labs have to test everything collected. During the trial there was no mention of a hair possibly belonging to a black person, so it is possible that someone mistakenly perceived the "Asian" hair or the brunette hair as being of "negroid" classification, and the myth stuck ever since.

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Not only do I think Michael did it, I think he went home afterwards, went into a frenzied panic, told Tommy what he had just done, and the two of them went back to clean up the evidence/hide the body/pose the body/stage the scene. Tommy helped Michael drag her into the trees & pose her. Perhaps Tommy even went so far to make sure she was dead and perhaps he was the one to drive the club through her throat (remember, this was the fatal blow). I think the whole damn family knows all about it and I think they all covered for both of the boys.

The Bryant story is smoke & mirrors. It's meaningless.

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Ok, Let's look at some of the legitimate information here ok?-

Yes, Michael's alibi changed over and over again, Rushton gave the police access to Tommy, just like the movie said, the family was behaving really oddly around Michael after her body was found.

Also, One of the things, that I don't believe was mentioned in the postings here, is this-

When she was murdered, she was attacked and dragged across a gravel driveway (her gravel driveway). Police, media and neighborhood people were crossing over the same spot, in fact, state officials, police, medical examiners and EVEN media, were PARKED on top of the visible spot where her body was dragged.

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THEY LOST THE GOLF CLUB!

They also lost important documents, and images of the original golf clubs, which were oddly missing the club that was used to kill her....

Between that and all of the other BS with the state, CLEARLY there was corruption. The skakels were kennedys after all.

Mark Fuhrman *beep* up royally in the OJ case, however OJ was guilty.

The Moxley murder investigation should have NEVER become about Mark Fuhrman, He's a brilliant investigator.

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Let me understand this. Some moron calls Mark Fuhrman a racist and then insists that some black guys off the street murdered Martha. What an idiot.

This was a rage killing! She knew the murderer!


Michael put himself at the crime scene by admitting during the private investigation his father paid for that he has masturbated in the tree that night. The tree that Martha was fou8nd under!

He obviously was concerned that biological evidence was left and could be linked to his dna.

The pervert brutally murdered that poor girl, pulled her pants down and then masturbated afterward in the tree above her body! What a sick bastard!

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Not that could be proven. The prosecution's "witnesses" are HIGHLY suspect to say the least, and----contrary to what some people believe--there was no semen. Certainly not provided as evidence at trial. I don't know what Lee apparently thought he found , I haven't read his report. The FACT is , no DNA evidence, including semen, was presented against Michael Skakel.

Juror's are supposed to find guilty ONLY beyond reasonable doubt.. There is plenty of reasonable doubt not only in the defenses case, but with the prosecution "witnesses".

As a juror, I could not say beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty of murder. Just the same thing with Scott Peterson........ZERO evidence that he murdered anyone, flimsy circumstantial "evidence", and jurors voting with passion, instead of focusing on FACTS.

The opposite happened with OJ. There were PLENTY of things to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, regardless of Fuhrman or questionable prosecution decisions. But the jury voted with passion, and disregarded FACTS.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. " John Adams in defense of the British soldiers charged for the infamous Boston Massacre.

The only thing we can be reasonably sure of is that someone from the Skakel family or household murdered Martha Moxley. This based on the golf club at the crime scene matching the rare set that happened to be at the Skakel residence.

PS: John Adams won that case, so the Boston "Massacre" is a lie you've been told.



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Why would anybody have to prove that Micheal masturbated in the tree he admitted he did!

Sometimes jurors will just use common sense in putting 2 and 2 together and while that can yield tragic results that is how Scott Peterson and Michael Skakel are in prison.

In the Scott Peterson case they knew that he was strangely fishing in the San Francisco bay on Christmas eve and that is where the bodies washed up. They had motive, they had his behavior and just used their best judgement.

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Why would anybody have to prove that Micheal masturbated in the tree he admitted he did!


Doesn't matter. A) It was a different tree (not the one the body was found under), and B) There was no semen found on Martha's body, and no DNA or semen evidence presented at trial.

Sometimes jurors will just use common sense in putting 2 and 2 together and while that can yield tragic results that is how Scott Peterson and Michael Skakel are in prison.


"Common sense" is NOT a standard that juror's are supposed to use to find a verdict. That's why the system is broken.

In the Scott Peterson case they knew that he was strangely fishing in the San Francisco bay on Christmas eve and that is where the bodies washed up.


The bodies "washed up" miles away, so apparently his "anchors" didn't work so well, eh? There is no motive for murder, and his "behavior" isn't relevant.







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Yeah he did.

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Um... Yeah.. DNA placed him there ( in a tree on Martha's property when he claimed he masterbated)He also said in his own words recorded that he went to Martha's because " he knew she liked him and he wanted to get a kiss from her" ---- He had the motive ( Jealous rage ) Was Convicted in 2002 --- They had ALOT of evidence against him that was covered up for years because of who he was.

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People. People. Read the book "Framed" by Robert Kennedey. You're welcome.

-Carry on.-

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