This is a Clorox Movie


Mudge Boy is what I call a Clorox movie. This is a film that you cannot get out of you head, or even off your skin, unless you take a bath in clorox. Just because a film is depressing does not mean it is a clorox movie. You have to feel dirty and disturbed. You know humans are capable of the acts in these movies, but you don't want to believe it. For example, the boy's collapse into his father's arms, and his total emotional pain just makes you want to scream. It is too much, the chicken is too much, and but the movie is brilliant. Basically, you just blankly stare at the credits at the end of the movie and scream on the inside. Below is my partial list, in no particular order.

Kids--the mother of all clorox movies
L.I.E.
Freaks (1932)
Requiem for a Dream
The Mudge Boy
Boys Don't Cry
Mean Creek
Boxing Helena--amazing film, but beyond distrubing.

Please, provide your own list.

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Three other movies come immediately to mind; "Trainspotting", "Joe The King" and "My life As A Dog". Even a bath in Clorox won't clean you of those flics...still, my life would be less without ever seeing them.





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Well, you've gone off the deep-end a bit including the horror genre'...unless they're docs or stories based on real murderers and such like "Monster", I wouldn't count them as "Clorox movies". And "Deliverance"....why that one??




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"Elephant - The Basketball Diaries - River's Edge - Lord of the Flies - Mean Creek - Rollercoaster - The Virgin Suicides - The Shining - Bully - Party Monster - Shows just how easy people can snap. They start off as perfectly normal people but somehow go off the deep end. One wrong move, one mistake, and you life is changed forever."

I've seen most of these, but I would perhaps take out "The Shining"...mostly because of the 'supernatural' content. And yes, people "snap" and then do the most wretched things to themselves and others. "Lord of The Flies" is a fantastic montage of what can go wrong with 'boydom', given that it's free to run its own course during a survival and fantasy/imagination scenario-great pick. Of course I wanted to die after the first boy was killed...

"Deliverance was just one of those movies that makes you feel dirty and disturbed just watching it. I have met some back woods rednecks that act very much like the people in this movie. If I were stranded in the woods these are last people I would want to come across."

Possibly, but your chances of running into exactly those types today are pretty far fetched. Rednecks are scary enough, but hillbillies of that ilk are all but gone. Given the fact that TV, movies, video games, PCs and all the things that are taken for granted, even by the isolated poor, have now affected their lives. I was raised in MO and even ran some moonshine in my youth down in the Ozarks on a dare. I can tell you a "Deliverance" story that really happened to my banker back in MO when he went on a river trip down there about '70 or so. Usually, bad circumstances like that, were related to being in too close of a proximity to someones still.

"Schindler's List - Faces of Death - Two movies that will stay burned in your head for the rest of you life. You couldn't wash these off with sufuric acid."

Just saw a movie about to gay guys imprisoned in a concentration camp during WWII. I can't remember the title, but even though you had the sense they were both gonna die at some point, it was still horrifically awful.

"Gummo (1997) - I wish this one could be washed away. I don't know if I liked this movie or hated this movie. All those poor cats...... Hide you cats these people are still out there."

Was that, that awful movie where those disaffected teens were roaming the neighborhood killing cats? Involved a midget and a fat female who would prostitute for like $10?....very disturbing suburban movie that no doubt is still happening somewhere out there.

What works for me in getting movies outa my head like that, is to go out and work extra hard at helping someone who has a need. Sounds cliched I know, but works for me...I figure enough good can counterbalance anything demented, even if it was just a movie....so often these days, life imitates art.

What about that incredibly awful, modern day hillbilly movie ... think it was called like "Wrong Turn" or something like that (?)....makes "Deliverance" look like a walk in the park and will make you afraid of hillbillies forever.

And you don't mention any of the Hannibal Lector movies...what could be more twisted then a guy sitting at a dinner table, conscious, while Hannibal removes his scull cap and cooks/eats a small piece of his brain with aplomb??



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"Just saw a movie about to gay guys imprisoned in a concentration camp during WWII. I can't remember the title, but even though you had the sense they were both gonna die at some point, it was still horrifically awful."

Was it possibly "Bent" with Clive Owen and Mick Jagger in a supporting role?

That movie haunted me, too. Though it had such an awful and horrifying plot the approach to that issue was still unusual. I found it extremely sad and wonderful at the same time to see the two men trying to build up a sort of relationship in that concentration camp. And finally failing due to the barbarity and cruelty of the Nazi regime.

I watched it over and over again and couldn't forget it either.

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Yeah that was it, "Bent"...thanx. I knew what was gonna happen to them eventually in there, but it didn't really lesson the impact. I don't think human life has ever been reduced to such a level in recent times like with the Nazi regime-given the fact it wasn't a third world country and those were basically educated people, it's unfathomable.

The first part of the movie sucked, IMO and crawled along like a wounded dog, but after the imprisonment, there's no finer acting.





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I totally agree, the second part was way better!

I think the first part of the movie was somehow inadequate to this serious issue. With the whole "gang bang" scenes at the beginning the director probably wanted to express the open-mindedness and decadence of Berlin in the twenties, but I think he failed. Must have been his interpretation of art but it gave the film a certain direction that was completely dispensable at the end...

I'm sorry, but since I wasn't able to see "Mudge Boy" I can only contribute something to other movies or issues, on this "Mudge Boy" board a little strange... ;-) But I hope you don't mind!

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Nah, don't mind at all.....the purpose of these boards is to stimulate dialog between people-wherever it goes!

Well, Mick Jagger in lipstick was a little too much for me...;-) Actually, it's hard to believe they are the same movie and as you say, in the end, you completely forget about the first part. Even now, I'm straining to remember much about the first part.....

Unrelated to this movie, I just saw the most incredible indie-"Spring Forward" with old Ned Beaty and Liev Schreiber. Have you seen this one by chance? Schreiber I've seen in a few other indie vehicles, but in this one, he really gets to stretch his legs. It's a 'slow paced' movie, but in the end, you'll feel like this story is your own and Beaty's performance is one of his best. I just love it when I roll onto a great indie...;-)




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Cool! :-) Dialog is really essential... ;-)

No, I haven't seen "Spring Forward", but I read the Imdb-synopsis and it sounds really good! I always really like such "small" independent films that show life, emotions and the tragic that is often connected with both, so I think I would have liked this film a lot. Seems like it hasn't even been released in Germany though, so I won't have a chance unless I buy it...

It's a pity, I always thought we get to see almost every U.S. release here in Germany, but that's obviously an erroneus belief... We certainly do get to see each and every blockbuster, but that's not exactly my favorite sort of film for the most part. But it has absolutely nothing to do with censorship, as Germany is a quite frank, open-minded and liberal country, but rather commercial interests. That's my impression, at least.
"Imaginary Heroes" wasn't released over here either, for example. I desperately wanted to see it, so I bought the DVD.

Have you seen "Mysterious Skin"? If so, did you like it?
This is also one of the films that I definitely want to see! But: no release in Germany, no announcements, nothing! I doubt that it will make it into our cinemas. But as it is going to be released on DVD in fall, I certainly know what I will be doing... ;-)
I read the book just recently and found the story absolutely stirring and affecting, though it may be unusual, uncomfortable and controversial for most people.

Really looking forward to your answer! ;-)
Bye-bye,
Julia

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Well, that really sucks on what you can and can't see over there in Germany.:-( Of course we only see a small portion of Euro films over here. I'm not saying they aren't available, but somebody decides 'for us' along the way, what will be shown on cable/satellite.....I hate that cuz it all then boils down to $, not cinema art. There seems to be right now, a predominance or Swedish and French films (well, there's always been a lot of French films over here)...even some great films recently outa Iceland.

I haven't seen "Mysterious Skin". However, the whole plot theme and the book by Scott Heim sounds incredibly fascinating to me. That's one I'll start looking for on satellite. My hope is that it has some really sweet scenes between the boys? I'm glad to hear you read the book and found it riveting.

I have a really, really nice gal friend in Germany that I've known for yrs and she's like the little sis I never had. I'd love to come to your country to visit and explore if it were safe and I wouldn't be 'one of those damn Americans'.:-(




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Hi again,

as to "Mysterious Skin", I hope to see some sweet scenes, too! ;-) But I suppose there will rather be some real strong and heavy ones. Hard to bear... We'll hopefully see soon.
You wrote in another thread that you wouldn't watch the "Mudge Boy" again soon unless with someone who hasn't seen it yet. I can only imagine the unbearable scenes at this point, were they so utterly devastating?

It's nice to hear that you know someone over here. If you ever get the chance come over and visit Germany! We've got some wonderful cities. And especially our capital Berlin is a sort of "paradise" ;-), especially when you're a gay man, very open-minded and liberal. You'll see male couples walking hand in hand on the streets, a lot of gay bars and clubs, gay cultural institutions... That's my impression as a straight girl, at least, what I've heard and experienced.

But there is one word that I didn't quite understand properly - you wrote you would have loved to explore if it were "safe" around here. What do you mean with safe? Have you got an unsafe feeling in the U.S.? Would you mind telling me which state you live in?
And, of course, you wouldn't be "one of those damn Americans". To tell the truth, I don't think that many people have an anti-American mindset in Germany or Europe, not at all. Far from it! Mr. Bush and his administration might not be very popular, but a lot of people think that many problems lie within his person and attitude. But that'll surely change, hopefully only a few years until the Democrats take over... ;-)
Personally I LOVE the United States, I'm somehow truly fascinated with your country. I've been there twice and I'm currently planning to visit again next year.

p.s.: I just saw that your offer to record the "Mudge Boy" and ship the tapes is getting more and more requests... Maybe you should start a "Mudge-Boy-Making-Available"-business, you'd surely become a millionaire soon... (*lol*) I'd definitely be your first customer! ;-))

Cheers!

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"You wrote in another thread that you wouldn't watch the "Mudge Boy" again soon unless with someone who hasn't seen it yet. I can only imagine the unbearable scenes at this point, were they so utterly devastating?"

Yes, they were to me and I didn't want an endless loop of Duncan being raped by a self-hating redneck character running through my head.

" It's nice to hear that you know someone over here. If you ever get the chance come over and visit Germany! We've got some wonderful cities. And especially our capital Berlin is a sort of "paradise" ;-), especially when you're a gay man, very open-minded and liberal. You'll see male couples walking hand in hand on the streets, a lot of gay bars and clubs, gay cultural institutions... That's my impression as a straight girl, at least, what I've heard and experienced."

I was in West Berlin before 'the wall' fell. Even though I went to Europe as a pseudo hetero male, I still had a blast....long time ago though...

" But there is one word that I didn't quite understand properly - you wrote you would have loved to explore if it were "safe" around here. What do you mean with safe? Have you got an unsafe feeling in the U.S.? Would you mind telling me which state you live in?
And, of course, you wouldn't be "one of those damn Americans". To tell the truth, I don't think that many people have an anti-American mindset in Germany or Europe, not at all. Far from it! Mr. Bush and his administration might not be very popular, but a lot of people think that many problems lie within his person and attitude. But that'll surely change, hopefully only a few years until the Democrats take over... ;-)
Personally I LOVE the United States, I'm somehow truly fascinated with your country. I've been there twice and I'm currently planning to visit again next year."

We have a general 'understanding' here, that Americans traveling abroad are often associated with the Chimp & his war and thus become 'targets'. And really, terrorism is something new to us here in the US....all around the rest of the world, countries just deal with it on a day-to-day basis. There are a lot of places in the Middle East that I'd like to visit, but feel that would not be a safe journey for me at this time. Of course there was that murder spree here some yrs back in Florida, where the locals were killing tourists...if I remember right, quite a few Germans. I know there are a lot of people who would receive me warmly...my friend there has sent me the most wonderful pics of the snow, her pets and various places she loves. She's given me incredible insight into what it was like growing up in East Germany and how their society has changed after 'the wall' came down. She's also given me the freedom and mindset to cherish friendship relationships with women that previously I'd been afraid to explore.

I live in eastern Washington state, which is supremely backwards in most respects. There's this universal truism out west here, that beautiful scenery=ignorant locals and well heeled, accepting people=urban, unaffordable housing & pollution. So.....I'm stuck to some degree, but working on it!

Fantastic that your visits here and have great memories...that's really what it's all about!








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i thought this movie def had the clorox factor as it's being called...i also agree with someone who posted the shining/ i know its horror genre, but i think since it's from stephen king it's not so black and white. b/c ultimately all it tries to be is a story about human madness and depravity...the supernatural stuff is secondary and complementary (just like in carrie, etc). jack nicholson is creepier than anything else in that movie except danny doing the 'redrum' voice thing, and those damn twins. *shivers* i don't know. i see it as a clorox movie for me. i'm easily emotionally affected by movies/music etc (i know it sounds wierd but its true)...and unless i feel like 'feeling' the movie for hours afterwards, i have to be careful watching movies like 'the mudge boy', 'boogie nights' 'a clockwork orange', 'the manchurian candidate' (original), 'the shining', 'thirteen', so many others i can't think of right now...white oleander and eyes wide shut to a lesser extent (that movie irked me though i can't put my finger on it...didn't sit well with me overall even though the 'type' of movie should have been my cup of tea)...
another movie that gives me those unclean, disturbed shudders that you may not expect is platoon...that, full metal jacket and several other war/action movies. any example of the human condition twisted in such a way that it turns into cruelty towards oneself, or to others...pain we inflict on each other when we can't bear whats been inflicted on us any longer. ok up late, stoned and rambling....goodnight=)

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I'm not saying this to put you down or anything and you might not be able to see them all, but there is a whole other universe of quality films out there in the form of indies and docs (almost everything you mentioned was mainstream). I got really tired of Hollyweird's Russian roulette approach to mainstream films. Honestly, they figure that if enough films are out there with big enough budgets, something is bound to 'hit' a home run. That's a crappy approach to 'from the heart/street' film making. I really do see a future demise in Hollyweird, in its present form. After all, they've done this to themselves and people expect the biggest and the best from them...always more and bigger. It's nothing for a big budget film these days to exceed 250 million...what a friggin' waste of resources.




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how in the world can you get ahold of all these indie films? i'm so clueless to that.

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Thanx for taking the time to post those links and info! I'm very much interested in http://www.icmovierentals.com and their "naturlist films" ;-))





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I have seen some other movies that stay with you long after the credits stop rolling. Nick Stahl was in three of them. "Eye of God", "Twist" and "The sleepy time gal" Stahl is one great UNDERRATED actor - Far better than any Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt - but anyways...Three others come to mind: "The Bastard out of Carolina","The man in the moon" and "Tully"
I agree with maybe 90% of the movies that were mentioned so far. I love these kind of movies. Most are sad and depressing - but so well made they are worth watching. The acting is so good that I sometimes need to remind myself that these people are not real. For me, that is the whole point of watching a movie.
Let me know of some other movies that I may have missed! Thanks...

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*beep* JUSTIN CASEZZ MAN I COMPLETLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THOSE MOVIES BEING EXELLENT "EYE OF GOD I SAW ONCE ALL THE WAY THROUGH ABOUT 7 YEARS AGO N LEMME TELL YOU TO THIS DAY I CAN'T SHAKE THAT MOVIE OUT OF MY MIND UTTERLY DISTURBING HEARTFELT BEAUTIFUL FILM MARTHA PLIMPTON'S PERFORMANCE WAS HEARTBREAKING AND NICK STAHL WAS EQUALLY GOOD. THE SECOND TIME I SAW IT I COULDN'T EVEN FINISH WATCHING IT BECAUSE THAT PART WHERE HER DEAD BODY IS SHOWN MAN PROLLY AFFECTED ME BECAUSE SHE LOOKS ALOT LIKE MY OWN SISTER. AFTERWARDS I ACTUALLY *beep* CALLED MY SISTER TO TELL HER I LOVE HER LOL CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT MAN IT TAKES ALOT FOR A FILM TO BE LODGED N DISTURB ME TO THAT DEGREE.



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American History X...the curb scene and the very last scene are just ughhh frightening and will never leave my mind

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i think the truman show is also a clorox movie

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Ha I remember after seeing Faces of Death I had to watch an episode of BJ and the Bear to balance it out!

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Mysterious Skin for me as well.

Also:

Alpha Dog
Jacob's Ladder
American History X
Mean Creek

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That is a very interesting concept. I get what you are saying, I've just never thought about like that before. Boys Don't Cry, Mean Creek, and Kids certainly made me feel that way. You just feel ashamed to be apart of the human species when you see the terrible things they do. That's a lovely analogy. I haven't seen The Mudge Boy yet, but I've ordered it off the Internet. If it's anything like the films you have listed above, it will be incredible.

"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
~The Terminator

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I've watched all of the movies mentioned in this thread. While they all stay in your mind, "children underground" touches me the most because it isn't a movie. It's a documentary. While a lot of movies try to show certain aspects of life, this one shows the real life.

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"I've watched all of the movies mentioned in this thread. While they all stay in your mind, "children underground" touches me the most because it isn't a movie. It's a documentary. While a lot of movies try to show certain aspects of life, this one shows the real life."


What's that about, homeless children in America who live off the grid? Along those same lines, "Joe The King" devastated me...









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Yeah, Joe the King was pretty good (but depressing) movie.

Children Underground is a documentary abour street children living in Bucharest. It's pretty capitvating to say the least. It's a damn shame what those kids have to endure day by day, and only to what there future is going to be.

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Children living on the street are the darkest side of the human situation. Except for war and death, you can go no lower with humanity. It reduces and nullifies our existence as the 'keepers' of this planet.





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a while ago there was a slew of trailers in the independant circuit which featured films that looked so uplifting and inspirational, can you say false advertising? i watched one, Turtles Can Fly, my mother watched the other, Nobody Knows. i was like a zombie for two days and completely heartbroken for longer. i'm still afraid to see the other. also Pretty Baby and The Dreamers took a while to get out of my head but not so much in a negative way. i completely agree about The Truman Show. there's got to be more, i'm just having a massive brain fart.....

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OK, but I'm not maintaining that you have a steady diet of these films. However they are a 'reality check', even if they are disgusting, perverted or gross. In art sometimes you have to reach for the extreme limits and it ain't always pretty. Those limits define for us what is reasonable/decent and help keep us from the grips of chaos...I mean who in their right mind would want to live in a "Gummo" neighborhood or a “Trainspotting" apartment??




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As you travel these boards, shoeihell, you realize how imporatant "reality checks", as you put it, are to a multitude of people who are too sheltered, sequestered, oblivious, resistant or antagonistic to understand anything much of how the other half lives. Films today offer one of the most accessible and effective segues of vision into what people don't know or understand, which is why I have little patience with those who would consign film to the category of "entertainment".




"Believe not what you wish to believe, but what in truth you can"

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>As you travel these boards, shoeihell, you realize how imporatant "reality checks", as you put it, are to a multitude of people who are too sheltered, sequestered, oblivious, resistant or antagonistic to understand anything much of how the other half lives. Films today offer one of the most accessible and effective segues of vision into what people don't know or understand, which is why I have little patience with those who would consign film to the category of "entertainment".<

It's called 'thinking inside the box'....not wanting to extend your mind to the full diversity that surrounds us ALL. Films that are really 'out there' define for us the extremes of the human situation and issues begging to be explored-to ignore them is to virtually stagnate. You can't have a 'normal' if the extremes aren't ever defined...it's impossible.

And I find that the directors/producers of these ‘out there’ flics aren’t ogres or whackos, but just people with something to say-their commentaries are often remarkable.


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Midnight Cowboy

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Looking For Mr. Goodbar
In the Company of Men

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Great term/thread title.

I think the mother of all Clorox movies is Requiem for a Dream, but a very close second is one that I haven't noticed mentioned (although I only skimmed):

SALO

Ugh. Thanks for making me think about these movies again.

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Don't know "SALO" but doubt if it could be worse than "Trainspotting", "Gummo" or "Joe the King" for Clorox status.


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I haven't seen Gummo or Joe the King, but Salo beats Trainspotting with all its limbs tied behind its back. I've always said that nothing in film disgusts me. Salo is the only exception to that rule. Even Requiem for a Dream doesn't disgust me, though I do find it indelible and heart-rending.

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Hmmmm, pretty hard to beat a neglected dead baby......OK, but give me the full name of the movie because "Salo" is not working for me in my search?



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It's Pasolini's "Salo, or 120 Days of Sodom".

"Salo" has a diacritical accent over the "O" but I don't know how to produce that here. :( It's really hard to find these days, but if you're into disturbing experiences, I'll wish you all the luck in the world.

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Yes, I did see that full title, but I noticed it was a 70's film and thought probably not what you were talking about. If it's a movie in any way gay derogatory as most 70's movies were, no thanks. I get enough real-life hate in my face most days. I'll read the synopsis if there is one...and no I'm not into "disturbing experiences" per say, but well acted, thought provoking movies of all subjects and genres'.


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Dude, I'm gay. The movie's not about that, even if some gay elements surface. The primary line drawn is not between gays and straights, though. Rather, betwixt the rich and the poor; the powerful and the powerless.

Ultimately, what's so disturbing is its depiction of utter degradation and what has been memorably described as "the banality of evil".

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I've been following this thread for awhile and don't comment in it, but I saw the references to "Salo." I agree that it is one of the most shocking and disturbing films you will ever see. Think "Caligula" meets "Clockwork Orange" meets "Pink Flamingos."

That said, it is an important film and is based on fact, so although some say it is porn or borderline exploitation of young people with gratuitous sex and violence, it is a serious film.

And it is definitely a "Clorox movie."

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HEAVENLY CREATURES

In a major way. I wanted to scream and cry for a whole day after that one.

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