MovieChat Forums > The Mudge Boy (2003) Discussion > quenstion about the chicken head

quenstion about the chicken head


why did he bite it off? was it too proof he isn't gay? i'm still a bit confused by it saw the movie last week for the first time

reply

Good question, and there are probably a number of answers.

1) To prove he is a "man"/shock them -- Perry was calling him a fag and the other guys taunting him as well.

2) Anger -- he was perhaps redirecting or venting his anger at them towards the bird.

3) The chicken's head in his mouth was maybe a symbol of Perry's **** in his mouth, and this was symbolically biting that off (which maybe he wished he had done earlier when he actually could have).

It's probably a combination of all the above. I kind of like #3 if only because I love symbolism in movies.



-----------------------------
The world moves for love. It kneels before it in awe.

reply

i like #3 aswell makes more sense 2 me now :p

reply

Good explanations...along the lines of what I had thought, but helps me understand a little btter. Truth be told that was the saddest and most disturbing aspect of the movie for me.

reply

In my view, Duncan unconsciously wanted to kill everything in him that made him a "weirdo" -- his latent homosexuality above all, which he connected with his softness, his tenderness, even his love of his pet. It was an incredibly moving and disturbing scene, and I think a lot of gays will identify with it: that feeling that if you want to be accepted as "normal" you have to kill what makes you different and special, even though it is the best part of you.

Also, I should say that I don't think Perry raped Duncan. The two boys were falling in love with each other (which is clear from the kissing scene, which takes place after the sexual encounter), but Perry could not admit that to himself. They obviously wanted to have sex with each other but couldn't say so directly.

reply

i like all of you explanations
and that was the saddest part of the movie.

reply

Poor chicken. I liked her. She was so faithful as a true friend of his...

reply

[deleted]

Oh my goodness, that was the freakiest part of the movie. I just saw it and I'm like shaking, that was so weired and pointless. The reasoning in the other posts are valid but I think th director could have expressed it in a different way.

reply

[deleted]

I too had trouble identifying what the purpose was of this movie and this particular scene, but my boyfriend suggested that the chicken was like a replacement of his mother and when he killed the chicken, he finally realized that his mother is dead and let his feelings go. His father saw this and related to his son.

reply

My take on the scene was somewhat different.
I saw it as Duncan's final break with his old "self".
He finally decided to stand up for himself and join the living.
He bit the chicken's head off because he and the chicken were each other's only contact and companionship.
I believe that he needed to move on and end that part of his life. Come out of the shadows. He knew that the chicken could not join him in his new world and could not survive without him.........so it was his final expression of love...a chance to put it out of its misery if you will. Plus a chance to break the last ties with the life of oppression and loneliness he had grown so accustomed to.

Just my opinion.
That's what I took away from it.
I found it to be a very disturbing scene, yet very powerful and important to the arc of Duncan's character.
You can all tell me I'm full of sh*t now. LOL

reply

"Poor chicken. I liked her. She was so faithful as a true friend of his..."

That was probably why he did it..."That chicken's been my friend and look what I did to it, don't *beep* with me!"

reply

I believe in something else. The boy wanted to free himself of the trauma of the death of his mother and a way to do it was killing the chicken, I believe that it did it but why to demonstrate another thing. To kill the chicken was a specie of liberation for him.

Excuses by my english =(

reply


The three points above seem good. If his Mom really did show him to put the chicken in his mouth, maybe it also was his anger at finally realizing how inappropriate and weird that is- it couldve been anger at his Mom too. Ifshe showed him that, who knows in what other ways she contributed to his maladjustment.

reply

It's not inappropriate and weird... it's sensitive and smart.

He wasn't maladjusted or angry at his mother, he was normal but naive.
People whose parents abuse them, causing them to abuse others- are clearly the maladjusted abnormal ones.

reply

you, sir, are no chicken farmer!

reply

Another possible explanation for Duncan biting his chicken's head off is to serve as a resolution to a major theme of the movie: Duncan is now able to grieve the death of his mother, as we see in the subsequent scene with his father. The chicken being one of his mother's favorites, its murder resembles Duncan's ability to move beyond his overwhelming and disorienting grief, which his father was able to do when he burned his wife's clothing.

reply

Exactly

reply

He bites off the head of a chicken? I haven't seen this movie yet, but do you know if it is an extension of Fishbelly White then? The main character in that movie also bites of the head of his pet chicken.

reply

Yes, it is. The writer/director won a grant and turned the short into a feature.

-----------------------------
The world moves for love. It kneels before it in awe.

reply

I hated that part. Those idiots were messing with the chicken, and then when they gave it back to Duncan you can see it trying to calm down in his owner's arms, according to it back in safety. Then it tried to calm down inside his mouth, cause apparently that's how you calm them, and then that. I thought the rest of the movie was good but that scene and the one where the father burns everything of the mom's were the only two reasons why I officially don't like this movie and won't ever watch it again.

"GET BACK IN THE BUILDING!! NO LOITERING!!" - Trudy Weigel

reply

I absolutely agree.

Whatever Duncan's 'thought process' behind carrying out such an act, it was the most senseless, heartless, unjustifiable act. How could he do such a thing to an innocent pet, who had given him nothing but love and comfort, when nobody else had? You'd think he would have taken his pet, and made a run for it, instead of still standing there. Why did he want to 'fit in' with a bunch of losers/bullies like them?

I understand the writer/director would've wanted to have a strong scene near the end of the film for dramatic effect, but in my opinion, taking it this far was entirely unnecessary.

I, too, thought the rest of the movie was good, but this scene is one I wish I'd never seen, and will not be watching again...ever.



reply

I think the chicken head meant three things:

1. Duncan bit off the chicken head to prove he wasn't a *beep* This shows how sensitive men aren't considered to be "real men". He had to be tough to be accepted by the other roughneck farm kids. Also, farm men aren't supposed to be affectionate with animals. This is shown when his father picked up the chickens by their heads and Duncan got upset. Duncan's proving his manhood.

2. This chicken also represents his attachment to his mother. That, and her clothing. He bites the head off out of rage. He is attached to it and loves it, but when people get angry, they take things out on thier things they love. It's almost as if he's angry at him mother for leaving.

3. The most obvious thing this chicken represents is Perry. The kids tell him to show them how he sucks dick. The only dick he's ever sucked is Perry's. So biting the chicken's head off is like a "*beep* off" to Perry. Perry raped him and got him in trouble with his father. He completely emasculated him, and then blamed him for it. All he could ever do is say "I'm sorry" because he liked him and needed his affection. But when Perry sent him away and denied his kiss, he got angry. Biting the head off was his way of showing this.

Perry's face shows that he realized this too. He knows what the chicken represents, and knows how much Duncan loves it. The first time I saw this scene, I didn't really get it either. But the second time, I realized everything.

reply

Everyone knew he was gay. Probably from Perry. I think the chicken was his impulsive, but highly effective way of standing up for himself. Showing the boys that if he could do that to something he loves, he could do it to them if they got any ideas about putting anything of theirs into his mouth.

If you watch it again, He actually does bite Perry, the first time he performs oral on him. It comes across as accidental the first watch, but I think it takes on deeper meaning after a second viewing.

reply

This film is a great, sensitive study of a young "mother identified" boy attracted to a an alpha-male like Perry. Perry certainly liked showing off his masculinity to Perry and instinctively knew Duncan admired him in that way: look at the way Perry gets turned on when he sees Duncan witnessing him getting head; or when Duncan grabs his bicep. Also, for a fleet moment you sense Perry is melting into the tenderness of Duncan's kiss. Conventionally, it would make sense to tidily conclude that the biting off of the chicken's head was Duncan's way of recovering/disassociating from his mom's death. But it is interesting to consider that he does so immediately after the boys suggest that Mrs. Mudge taught Duncan how to give head, inadvertently perhaps, by demonstrating that putting the head in his mouth "calmed" the chicken/"man." The boys imply more than that: Mrs. Mudge coddled Duncan in the Freudian prescription for homosexuality (literally and figuratively, here) by suggesting that perhaps Mrs. Mudge had a "reputation" in the small farm town for providing this service? Perhaps anger at this suggestion caused him to momentarily act irrationally, if not insanely. Convention would suggest it would be better to be psychotic than homosexual, right? Nonetheless, even though the hugs with his sexless Dad at the film's end might neatly tie up the grief-cure theory (as well, perhaps, the sublimal longing of the invert for the love of his father), it still doesn't resolve Duncan's sexuality nor the violent possessiveness and protectiveness of Perry for Duncan. Perry may not be a "fag" but his feelings for Duncan intrigue him far more than looking down, as he says at one point, and finding a woman making his dick something she uses to masturbate with. Perhaps Perry was abused by his Dad in other ways than beatings and he was just acting out the twisted love he learned from him. The actors, particularly the Perry player, were exquisite and true. This film is destined to become a coming-of-age gay classic.

reply