Saw Departed first? - Mou gaan dou (2002) Discussion

I thought it was a cool flick

I can tell you it is easily several times cooler if you were to watch it in a cinema.

Well, that's just my opinion. What's yours BTW?

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[–] QueenNadine 17 years ago

>>You would know all the plot twists, you know whats going to happen, etc. Also... I think Scorsese definitely spent more time on character and setting (Boston) development). I think I transfered a lot of these pre-conceptions and such to IA, since they really fast forward a lot of that. (IA does about 30 minutes of the Departed in 10 minutes).

Thoughts?<<

Thought? Try and see the full trilogy, that will dwarf Scorcese's "character development" or "additions" :)
Nadine :)

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[–] Bergmaniac 17 years ago

I saw The Departed first and I liked it a lot. Then I saw Infernal Affairs and thought it was much better. It didn't have the plot holes that the departed had, the dialogue was better, it didn't have any unnnecessary scenes (unlike the remake).

I also realised that The Departed is a poor remake, because all the good parts of it were copied nearly shot for shot from the original. The things which are added were mediocre at best too.

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[–] marv-36 17 years ago

Second that!

IA had much more emotional impact - I cared more about the deaths of the police superintendant and Tony Leung's charater. With the Departed, my buddy and I kept joking about how Martin Sheen's character was "over-his-head" throughout the movie. His character's death scene with the blood splashing up on Leo DC was almost comical, whereas we were like "oh sh!t" when SP Wong hit the top taxicab.

The Departed was a good movie, but I think the following detracted from it:

The plot was too convoluted: the Joker being an FBI informant, multiple roles from IA combined into the shrink chick, 4 characters at the elevator scene instead of 3, etc.

The story tended to drag, too much exposition on what was going on. IA moved quicker and made you pay attention and think about what was going on. The Department just spelled out everything to you - this is understable tho b/c of the American audience.

The acting was not as straightforward compared to IA. I actually think the all-star cast detracted from it. The Jack N. acting like the Joker, Martin S. acting like the president, Mark W. acting like Marky Mark, etc. I like the straightforward approach that the actors took in IA - it was less of a "look-at-me and how great I can act" attitude.

The direct rip-offs of certain scenes from the IA, albeit with modified lines, which actually made these scenes weaker in Departed.

NO WAY SCORSESE DESERVES AN OSCAR! But I guess he got this pretty much got this as his "lifetime achievement" oscar award

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[–] junk_project44 17 years ago

Just saw infernal affaires... And i really have to agree...

The Departed didn't even nearly have this big of an emotional impact on me. This movie was just plain better in every single way...

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[–] plarson-2 17 years ago

I'm going to have to disagree with most of you. I saw Internal Affairs first (I'm also a big fan of Hong Kong cinema, and most Asian cinema) and I thought that The Departed was a better film. I thought it had more emotional impact, it was better acted, and it had better direction. You can call me crazy, but this is my opinion. I saw someone say in a different board and I agree with it, Internal Affairs was a very good rough draft, but The Departed is the finished product.

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[–] junk_project44 17 years ago

you're crazy!

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[–] QueenNadine 17 years ago

You refer to the original trilogy as "Internal Affairs", which means you've obviously missed the point so please refrain from enlightening the members of this board in the future, thank you.

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[–] Devo-McDuff 16 years ago

Please refrain from being such an ass. He has the right to express his opinion as much as you or I.

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[–] geran-1 16 years ago

i saw departed first and i was hugely disappointed how many bad scenes and dialogues the movie had and 2 years after i saw Infernal Affairs and thank god for that such a masterpiece which shouldnt have been remaked

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[–] madigan80 15 years ago

I saw the departed first, but still liked this one better.

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[–] kajhol 16 years ago

i dont think youve seen ia 2 & 3

it has a complete package

the only good thng abou departed was mark walberg

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[–] ryanbond 16 years ago

Infernal Affairs 2 and 3 were HORRIBLE.

The first one told the whole story, 2 and 3 prove that Hong Kong can pull a hollywood move and make movies JUST for money.

2 and 3 were confusing, unnecessary movies. The departed tells the story best.

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[–] blackheart981 16 years ago

The Departed was a unnecessary remake, overall.

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[–] AlexMorgan13 16 years ago

the Departed was just more detailed... Infernal Affairs seemed more liek a summary, not much development... which is why Infernal was like half as long as the Departed..

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[–] alfmouth 15 years ago

I didn't enjoy the sequels (actually prequels) nearly as much as I loved this film. Departed sucks

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[–] wim_mols 16 years ago

I second your opinion and I must say I'm glad someone spoke in favour of 'The Departed'.
I watched Infernal Affairs this afternoon and was rather disappointed. I think Scorcese's version was much better in character-development, far more moving (YES! especially the killing of Martin Sheen's character, which was in NO WAY comical!)and about a thousand times more exciting!
It seems to me there is a tendency with a lot of people these days to praise most Eastern movies right into movieheaven regardless of their REAL quality, just BECAUSE they are Eastern movies and I suspect that that's a form of snobbism. You see the same thing with anime vs. Pixar, Disney etc. (Of course this opinion will generate some hate-posts again!)

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[–] pathbasu 15 years ago

Eastern movies arent unnecessarily praised into MovieHeaven....they are done because right now some of the most original & beautiful movies originate from Asia...(& that includes animes, even Disney acknowledges their quality)

As For IA n departed, I saw Departed 1st & yet i prefer IA (inspite of knowing all the plot twists in advance).
Further, IA is a more taut, tight-paced thriller.
It also has the more poignant, powerful ending whereas departed takes a typical "bad guy is defeated" ending forced at the end by bringing out Mark Wahlberg (like a bunny from the magic hat) to finish off Damon.

As for character development, i dont think Departed added too much of it over IA but it did add a whole lot of unnecessary swear words & violence that really dont advance the plot but just adds "shock value".
Whats with Scorcese, he is a good director, but he always has to make movies with record number of "F" words & violent scenes, just to make the film look gritty. It is possible to make a film look hard-hitting & gritty without "overusing" violence & language....just watch classic noirs like The Third Man & Chinatown.

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[–] ferreira0665 13 years ago

The problem with you saying the unnecessary swear word not adding to the plot is because it wasn't meant to but rather showing how Bostonians speak. It wasn't for shock value. It was for authenticity. If they would have made the movie with the swear words it wouldn't have been the same movie and wouldn't have been as good.

I have seen Infernal Affairs. I will eventually and according to The Departed trivia is says it takes parts from all three movies or something like that. I enjoyed The Departed, and please whoever said Mark Wahlberg acted like Marky Mark needs to have their head examined. No he didn't. I do agree that J. Nicholson was undeservedly praised for his performance like it was something new when it really wasn't. He really was playing the Joker.

Now I agree with my brother when watching this movie, he said Leonardo DiCaprio is a better actor than Damon but Wahlberg is better than both of them. Wahlberg did do a great job with this movie and it was because he was the one that was closest to playing a Bostonian. He is from Dorchester, Massachusetts, but still. What is really funny is that Damon is from Boston and he was the only who appeared as if he didn't belong there. That is what I find funny.

Now overall for me, it wasn't a matter of tying things up with having the bad guy get what's coming to him for America is was actually fulfilling what the movie had already done. It killed off all the rats by the end of the movie. The reason Dignam was not killed off was because he quit the force.

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[–] blackheart981 13 years ago

That is one thing TD extremists ignore that TD is a remake of the entire trilogy. They want to only compare it to one film and bitch about how it took IA 3 films to make a story when TD was one. No its not. IA trilogy is actually 3 different films but it all ties in at one point. Where do you think Damon got his idea of fabricating his story at the end? IA 3.

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[–] ferreira0665 13 years ago

I don't know if you are agreeing with me or trying to find something to disagree with me on. I am thinking you are just further explaining what I was saying. I am hoping. Because I don't find where you and I disagree.

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[–] Desertman84 13 years ago

For people who are saying that The Departed is better due to better character development,they have to realize that The Departed is based on Infernal Affairs I,II and III/Infernal Affairs Trilogy and not Infernal Affairs I alone.

The Departed was shown in 2006 - three years AFTER Infernal Affairs(2002),Infernal Affairs II (2003) and Infernal Affairs III (2003) were released.

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[–] kaptenmarvel 13 years ago

Yeah. Infernal Affairs moved me much more, and it was also just so much prettier. Twists were more clever and ending made actual sense.
I was actually watching Departed with my mother, and it confused her so much she thought Matt Damon and Mark Wahlberg were the same person, haha. I had to explain what was going on, but I was pretty confused as well, and I didn't have any such problems watching Infernal Affairs. And I'm white. :P

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[–] trusake 15 years ago

Jack acting like Joker? I didn't notice him running around in white make-up and laughing maniacally
Martin S acting like the president? was the White House present? and running around with a staff?
Mark W acting like Marky Mark? at what point was he rapping and showing off his abs?

I either miss all of that in the movie or you just suck at analyzing a movie! And I'm pretty much leaning towards you just plain suck.
All you did was call out an actor and recall one of their characters from the past!

For you to believe he doesn't deserve an Oscar for directing this movie then you just have completely no taste at all!

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[–] riggits 13 years ago

You hit the nail on the head. I watched Departed first and thought it was a good film - it's no Goodfellas or anything but still pretty decent. Then this year I saw IA and was blown away. It was so good that I ended up re-watching Departed and IA in the same night just to be certain that I remembered them correctly, and indeed IA was the superior by far.

One MAJOR criticism of IA, however:
-Lost a lot of continuity by using different actors for the "young" and "older" Ming and Yan. The younger Ming was terrible, and both looked completely different from their older counterparts. At first this really threw me off but thanks to the magic of subtitles everything stayed coherent. In The Departed the younger actors at least bore a plausible resemblance to Damon and Caprico.

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[–] alpha_1976 16 years ago

>It didn't have the plot holes that the departed had, the dialogue was better, it didn't have any unnnecessary scenes (unlike the remake).

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[–] Ivaylo_Sotirov 13 years ago

I wasnt even aware Departed was a re-make!
I dont remember it being advertised as such when released?
Obviously I can't wait to actually see the original :)

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[–] BZ_Dude 17 years ago

i think there was much more of an emotianal impact in IA than departed.

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[–] sflegend 17 years ago

My thoughts exactly.

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[–] dangkoen 17 years ago

Infernal affairs was definitely better.

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[–] QueenNadine 17 years ago

>>I haven't seen Internal affairs yet but once The Departed becomes a trilogy then we can fully decide.<<

Seems like you've missed the point- the remake shrunk the original trilogy into one film. There is no need to make any more films to add to it.

Nadine :)

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[–] cpipman2 17 years ago

The "preference" towards IA and Departed also shows the difference between Hong Kong and United States cultures. A lot of the complains about IA is the lack of character development (which was the first 30 mins of the departed... and the sex scene, also Matt Damon's date) I don't think many Hongkies complained about the lack of character development in the original, because that is not what they wanted in the movie. IA was as simple as 1+1=2 to many HK audience. Nobody was confused, everyone recognized who the actors were, what roles they played etc... the movie is fast pace in comparison. Shows that HK's way of life is WAAAAY faster then that of the US. (I know I live in the US now... it's unbearable how slow some people are) Sometimes at the Mcdonalds here... I would have to wait FIVE minutes for my food... In Cafe de Carol in Hong Kong if I stood in line for more than 15 seconds I feel like people behind me will hurt me. Hong Kong is small and crowded, and EVERYTHING has to be efficient, clean and simple, which shows in IA. Note that movies made in China is quite different in pacing etc... they're usually longer and slower pace... which also reflects on the size and way of life in general over in China (afterall movies were made for the target audience) When Hong Kong audience go in and watch a movie with Tony Leung and Andy Lau, they do NOT want a movie that's 150 mins where the first 30 was spent on "chracterization" when in the end to us Hongkies it makes little to no difference as to how we see and react to the characters.

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[–] ken-peggs 17 years ago

My favourite Hong Kong movie is "In The Mood For Love".

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[–] ldrinkyourmilkshake 16 years ago

I love both Infernal Affairs and In the Mood for Love! Tony Leung is amazing in both!

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[–] ll959 15 years ago

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Saw The Departed first, and then I saw IA. I think this took a lot away from IA. Thought IA was a little more stylish, but everything else about the Departed is better. It's hands down the better movie. Most of my favorite scenes in the Departed aren't in IA. It seemed like it was a stripped down version of the Departed (even though it was made first, but remember, I saw it after). I can understand if you like IA better, but I can't understand how you could possibly say IA had more emotional appeal. Are you kidding me? The characters in IA were just a bunch a guys in suits with guns. Not even close in terms of character development. IA only seemed to have a great emotional impact on you because of the way the main character's death scene is shot and edited, unlike Dicaprio's death in the departed, which was kick and sudden. IA isn't nearly as good a film as the Departed. This is gonna piss a lot of you off, but IMO, saying IA is as good as The Departed is like saying Spy Game is as good a spy thriller as North By Northwest

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[–] zerowing-1 13 years ago

You make some excellent points.

I think it's hard to say whether one film is "better" than the other. They are two different types of movies appealing to different cultural sensibilities. Americans like a little more "meat" in their stories and characters, and The Departed gives them that.

You could also characterize IA as a thriller and The Departed as more of a character drama. Two very different kinds of movies.

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[–] johnebp 17 years ago

I'm currently doing a report on the differences between these films and how it explains the needs of the American film culture. I have not had the opportunity to see the other two movies in the IA trilogy and was wondering if you could give me a brief synopsis of what happens and any correlation that it might have with The Departed.

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[–] ken-peggs 17 years ago

Seems you're not up to speed - they are indeed making sequal/s to The Departed.
Seeing as they already covered much of the IA trilogy, I guess they'll move beyond that next.

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[–] Phileas79 17 years ago

>>I haven't seen Internal affairs yet but once The Departed becomes a trilogy then we can fully decide.<<

Seems like you've missed the point- the remake shrunk the original trilogy into one film. There is no need to make any more films to add to it.

Huh? Did I miss somthing?

There was nothing from IA Part 2 or 3 in TD - at least nothing I can recall atm.

Even worse. Departed isn't even the full story of IA Part 1. In IA there are two supporting female roles - both are important for the emotional crisis of the male charactrs. In TD there's only one of'em. Also in IA there was some kind of relationship between the gangster boss and the police chief - in TD not. This relationship is very important and basically an essential piece of the plot of IA Part 2 - which is actually a sequel to Part 1 (nothing of it in TD). So I'm quite sure TD is not the IA trilogy, ist just Part 1.

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[–] kajhol 16 years ago

they wont be any sequels since matt damons charcter was killed at the end

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[–] RandomHasard 17 years ago

euhhhhh i think you got lost somewhere...

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[–] hk1973 17 years ago

hmm.... you don't need to wait for that in fact... When Infernal Affairs was made, it was not a Trilogy... they turned it into a Trailogy just because of $$... The the scrips of IA2 and IA3 were written after IA1 was produced (and they filled in some holes too)...
So you can simply compare IA1 to The Departed.
btw, The Departed 2 is not going to be based on IA2 or IA3.

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[–] shinji1246 17 years ago

">>When Infernal Affairs was made, it was not a Trilogy<<"

Yep, it was only because IA1 was such a success that they made IA2&3; which I thought wasn't very necessary. For me, IA2 and IA3 just ruined the original. But I think the Departed should make a sequel to patch up their plot holes since there are so many of them...

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[–] the_ktt 17 years ago

If you have not seen Internal affairs how can you think of decinding somthing...

Even so, i dont think IA was ment to be a trilogy from the start, Infernal affairs could end with infernal affairs 1. So comparing IA 1 to departed is in the right place, 2 & 3 is more like deeper look inside the first one.

Departed is a remake, and as remakes use to be, it just lack setting and feeling quality.

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[–] movielane 17 years ago

Havent seen Departed, but Infernal Affairs is quite emotional.I was pleasantly surprised.

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[–] koreaman 16 years ago

I saw Departed first, then Infernal Affairs in a local Korean cinema (showing famous asian films), but the Infernal Affairs was so flashy, clean and professional than the rugged Departed..

But I loved how the swearing goes in Departed.. :)

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[–] Advech 17 years ago

I saw infernal affairs first and I like it better. The Departed was too long and had way too many uneccessary scenes. It was still really good, but I like this better.

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[–] evzMan 17 years ago

Both are great but I like the Departed better.

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[–] MovieLover3490 17 years ago

I saw The Departed first and liked it much better than this...i agree that i knew all the plot twists already and it just moved too fast for me. . .

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[–] steerpike_2002 17 years ago

I saw IA first and i just thought it was paced much better - seeing Leo make his way into the mob is so unecessary - in IA the tension is much higher because we don't get that background. At the end of the day it's a thriller and the so-called ace character development we get from that first half hour of departed brings the tension levels way down.
Agree with others here who say they felt more for the chief in IA than Sheen - though Wahlberg's character was ACE in departed - only thing i thought that was better about it.
I think it's a crying shame that Scorsese won the oscar for this line-for-line remake.

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[–] oscarstegland 17 years ago

You have to remember though that The Departed is based on a the true story of Whitey Bulger with an adapted script from Infernal Affairs. Whitey Bulger was an Irish Maffia Boss and FBI informant in "Southie" Boston who remains second on the FBI top 10 most wanted list, where Osama Bin Laden is first. The screenplay has been adapted to fit the true story and the American mindset of a gangster.

I haven't seen Infernal Affairs yet but I'd like to...The Departed was excellent though in my opinion.

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[–] shinji1246 17 years ago

>>You have to remember though that The Departed is based on a the true story of Whitey Bulger <<
I'm not trying to argue against you...but how is The Departed based on a true story of Whitey Bulger? I don't live in the US and have no idea who this guy is. Did he have a known mole in the police force, did he push a cop down a building, did he at the end get killed by his mole. Apart from the fact that both Costello and Whitey Bulger was a mob boss and FBI informant, how was the Departed based on a true story? I've seen both IA and TD and they are almost identical, so how was TD also based on a true story?

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[–] Imthemanonthesilvermountain 17 years ago

As Leo said it "it's not a true remake, but a re-imagening of the original films".

I really liked The Departed remake or not. Is that wrong? People are bitching about the ending and "IA is much better", but I don't care.

Every movie in the TOP 250 has boards like this. If you want a truly overrated movie? See LOTR. Or: Chicago. The thing is, if TD hadn't been a remake, nobody would've complained.

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[–] guanyu 17 years ago

I just watched IA for the first time tonight. It's an incredible film. I really, really regret watching The Departed first.

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[–] QueenNadine 17 years ago

>>I just watched IA for the first time tonight. It's an incredible film. I really, really regret watching The Departed first.<< I know I keep saying this, but see parts 2 and 3 as well, otherwise it may seem like the remake actually added anything constructive.

Nadine :)

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[–] mjensen-3 17 years ago

"Infernal Affairs" is a great film. But "The Departed" is the masterpiece.

The only big flaw that "Infernal Affairs" has. Is that the first 30 minutes, is completely rushed. I couldn't connect with the characters, until the second half. The first half was like a Michael Bay film, on ADD. But during the second half, it started to slow down. And it became a beautiful poem.

The Departed- 10/10

Infernal Affairs- 8/10

I would also like to add that the ending in "Infernal Affairs" is great. But the ending in "The Departed", blew me away. I will say that "Infernal Affairs" has more emotions. But then again, it's not as subtle as "The Departed."

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[–] QueenNadine 17 years ago

I presume you're making all the same statement on the "The Departed" board as well?

Nadine :)

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[–] janus3 17 years ago

it obviously blew you away because it had more guns and scorsese directed rather than because it was better. IA's ending was way better because you actually felt bad for leung and you wanted lau to succeed in his new life after his change to a good guy. in the departed's ending, everyone laughed at the ending because so many people died. there was no emotional connection with any of teh dead and then damon dieing at the end only sealed the deal that the ending was a joke. i guess hard on's for scorsese blind you.

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[–] CinnaMonkey 17 years ago

The Departed is a great movie but IA is better, IA had alot more emotionaly impact.

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[–] duyharry 17 years ago

mjensen-3, you know why the end of TD blew you away, first of all, that's because you haven't watched the end of IA3 yet; secondly, you didn't consider the logic in the movie, I always question "why didn't Leo ask the officer who shot Matt at the end of the movie to open his file but instead he came to Matt?", and "How the hell did that officer get into Matt's house at the end and shot him right to the head? And then what will happen after that?"
While in IA, both of Tony's superiors were dead, that's why he has no one to confirm that he is a cop!

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[–] QueenNadine 17 years ago

I don't think anybody should even bother replying to the Jensen troll, no point!

Nadine :)

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[–] mjensen-3 17 years ago

<<<<I don't think anybody should even bother replying to the Jensen troll, no point!>>>>

Well I'm not a troll. So what's you're point??

I think "Infernal Affairs" is a great. But "The Departed" is the masterpiece IMO. Like I said, the first 30 minutes of "Infernal Affairs" felt like it was on ADD or something. It was basically a Michael Bay film. But after those first 30 minutes, it REALLY started to get going. And that beautiful music almost brought a tear to my. I don't know who edited this film, but they should of taken their time in the first 30 minutes. So maybe I could connect with the characters alot more. Either way, it's still a great film. I just don't see how it's better than "The Departed."

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[–] Death_to_Pan_and_Scan 16 years ago

The Departed is a masterpiece??? Wow, when will that deluded cult end?

What (other than story) do both IA and TD have in common? They appear like anomolies on their respective directors' filmographies.

Infernal Affairs is a great film from a usually mediocre director.
The Departed is a mediocre film from a usually great director.

Wanna see 'like a Michael Bay film'? See Andrew Lau's film The Legend of Speed...to borrow the old exagerrated cliche: So bad it makes the Fast and Furious trilogy look like Citizen Kane.

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[–] shinji1246 17 years ago

>>you know why the end of TD blew you away, first of all, that's because you haven't watched the end of IA3 yet; secondly, you didn't consider the logic in the movie, I always question "why didn't Leo ask the officer who shot Matt at the end of the movie to open his file but instead he came to Matt?", and "How the hell did that officer get into Matt's house at the end and shot him right to the head? And then what will happen after that?"
While in IA, both of Tony's superiors were dead, that's why he has no one to confirm that he is a cop!<<

So true...I always feel sorry for IA to be rated so low just because it's not American. TD makes absolutely no logical sense. I always knew there were many plot holes in TD, but after reading some of the comments made by people who hated TD (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407887/usercomments?filter=hate), I kinda started to hate it. There were like a million plot holes more than I realized, which makes the film even more ridiculous. As I remember, there was absolutely no-one who questioned it when IA received best picture in the HK film awards. It was so, so well deserved. But read the comments in The Departed forum, and you find so many people hating it, and they DID NOT see IA beforehand to compare it with.

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[–] mjensen-3 17 years ago

<<<<So true...I always feel sorry for IA to be rated so low just because it's not American>>>>

Do you have any proof that supports this?? Because "Seven Samurai" is rated higher than MOST American films. So what's you're point?? I'm sure "Infernal Affairs" will get a higher rating, if more people have seen it, and give it a high vote.

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[–] mjr1114 15 years ago

Point being, Seven Samurai was an original of many movies that followed. The Departed is a REMAKE. A remake can be remarkable, but should not be considered a masterpiece, just for the fact of not being original. If someone wanted to sell you their 'magnificent' painting they did of the 'mona lisa' do you think they'd ahave a right to ask for 'mona lisa' dollars, because critics raved it looked even better than the original?

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[–] mjensen-3 17 years ago

<<<<But read the comments in The Departed forum, and you find so many people hating it, and they DID NOT see IA beforehand to compare it with>>>>

I agree. Alot of "The Departed" fans are ignorant, and make me look bad.

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[–] mjensen-3 17 years ago

<<<<mjensen-3, you know why the end of TD blew you away, first of all, that's because you haven't watched the end of IA3 yet>>>>

Well I'v heard "IA3" sucks, like most third installments. So I probably won't waste my money. Is it just as great as "Infernal Affairs??" If not, then I'm keeping my money.

<<<<I always question "why didn't Leo ask the officer who shot Matt at the end of the movie to open his file but instead he came to Matt?">>>>

How could he trust Digman?? Infact, the only person that actually trusted Digman, was Queenan. Digman is an *beep* so nobody really trusts him. And Costigan didn't know who was a rat. And the only person he called in the end, just happened to be the only guy he was ever friends with, during the Academy. In the end, it made perfect sense to me.

<<<<and "How the hell did that officer get into Matt's house at the end and shot him right to the head?>>>>

He picked the locks, and got in. Anybody can do it. You can do it, I can do it. All you have to do, is pick a lock. And if he couldn't do that, then he probably had a key. And the person who gave him the key, was probably Mandolyn. I can't beleive you didn't think about this?? Did you even see "The Departed??"

<<<<And then what will happen after that?">>>>

Do you have a brain?? Do you use that brain?? It's called "interpretation." What do you think happened afterwards?? What is you're interpretation?? A film doesn't have to spoon-feed you. If that's what you want, then I recommend "Crash."

<<<<While in IA, both of Tony's superiors were dead, that's why he has no one to confirm that he is a cop!>>>>

And??

Last Film seen:
Persona(1966)- 10/10
Paris, je t'aime- 10/10

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[–] QueenNadine 17 years ago

>>How could he trust Digman?? Infact, the only person that actually trusted Digman, was Queenan. Digman is an *beep* so nobody really trusts him. And Costigan didn't know who was a rat. And the only person he called in the end, just happened to be the only guy he was ever friends with, during the Academy. In the end, it made perfect sense to me. <<

Will you PLEASE stop trolling about the remake on this board?!

Nadine :)

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[–] janus3 17 years ago

nadine, i think i love you.

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[–] QueenNadine 17 years ago

Ah I love you too! Gis a hug! =)

Nadine :)

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[–] mjensen-3 17 years ago

<<<<Will you PLEASE stop trolling about the remake on this board?!>>>>

But I'm not trolling. So what's you're point?? How am I trolling??

Last Film seen:
Persona(1966)- 10/10
Paris, je t'aime- 10/10

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[–] bernardchan1 17 years ago

Andy Lau was definitely being polite and nice. The Departed is worth nothing more than a 3 and thats only bcs there are 4 megastars in it to try and save it. Worst adapation of another movie ever made - beats Tom Cruise's Vanilla Sky - and at least Tom made that coz he wanted the lead actress

Apart from the fact that Scorcese managed to take complex characters out of the original and flatten them into cardboard post ups - the plot didnt even make any sense - Jack Nicholson plays a petty hoodlum who runs a **wow, such a huge business - exhorting mom and pop shops and other hoods with old geezers as his muscle..** and operating where, oh in boston, **wow a mega big criminal market**. im sure this guy on the fbi's most wanted list at #24,588 really needs to plant a mole in police department to help him out. the movie didnt even involve feds for christs sakes, just some city police department - not slighting the boston police but im not sure they would wanna devote a lot of its resources on old geezers who swear more than they commit crime.

Theres also some symbolic significance to the last scene where Andy Lau dresses in police uniform at Tony Leung's funeral - and what does Scorcese do, he changes it so that Trigger Happy Mark jumps out of nowhere and blows Matt's head off...and thats the ending??

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[–] Avici 17 years ago

I'm another guy who saw The Departed first. Loved it. Waiting for Infernal Affairs Trilogy to ship.

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[–] JYaNnEr 16 years ago

well said

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[–] Wonderland26 17 years ago

I saw The Departed first and I was totally confused by the end of the movie. I still thought it was extremely well-made, but it was so fast I couldn't keep up with what was going on.

In this movie, there are two moles and a suspicious third one. In Departed, there's moles and suspicious moles everywhere! It's hard to keep up with such a convoluted plot. Still, if Scorsese didn't win that Oscar, I would have been pissed.

I think I did like this movie much better because it's simpler than Departed and the scenes are more artful and symbolically placed. Such as the scene on the rooftop with Lau and Yan where the clouds are beautiful and the scenery behind them is gorgeous. I guess that kind of film (that most often comes from foreign cinema) is more my taste than American films. And even though I knew what was going to happen, the moments still felt like the first. I almost jumped when the hand when through the elevator at the last second. Definitely wasn't expecting that. Nor the roof-to-car scene. IA was slower, I thought, compared to Departed, and it allowed for everything to sink in properly. I liked the way that IA made Lau a good character at the end. I think he shot the other guy in the elevator for shooting Yan. I don't believe Lau wanted Yan to die, although he messed up his life at home and threatened him. Sad movie but excellent as well.

The acting in both casts were so superb that I can't choose which I liked or thought was better.

Also, I absolutely loved Yan's face when the other two men told him he was a cop. Priceless! I rewound like about 8 times.

Now I'll go watch the rest of the trilogy because I happen to have rented all three at the same time :).

P.S.: Why aren't my smilies working? Or am I typing them in wrong?

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