Average Americans hate this movie - Deux frères (2004) Discussion

[–] prairiedog5413 20 years ago

Actually, the "average American" probably won't have any opinion at all regarding this movie; it sadly appears to have arrived here relatively quietly. I'm an American (although probably not an "average" one) and I loved it - it was a beautiful film. I'm sure others will think so too.

Don't take the negative comments on the message board or in the IMDB User Comments section too seriously, as they are not indicative of what most American viewers thought of the movie. If you look at the voting section, you'll see that Americans (so far) have given this movie a 7.5 out of 10, which is a very good grade on IMDb.

By the way, I thought "Two Brothers" had a very happy ending, and it wasn't made in Hollywood.

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[–] uglygelly 20 years ago

I think its kind of true that these Americans hated this movie. I read the comments and this guy from Florida said that some teenagers in the theatre thought this was the worst movie they have ever seen.

I hate Florida!!!!

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[–] maria_16184 20 years ago

Florida sucks and i hate some people who don't care about anything except themselves. I liked this movie. Nobody cares about animals anymore they care about themselves and to look good but animals were here first and we took their land. Animals should be treated better in zoos and everywhere where there is animals. I would never wear fur clothing and I am a vegetarian.

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[–] kdmacd 20 years ago

"Florida sucks and I hate some people..."

Okay, so we've established that you're a selective bigot/racist/hate promoter... great.

But don't be so quick to preach tolerance and fair treatment for animals, when you can't even show it to your fellow humans. And so what if you're a vegetarian? You don't think it's okay to kill animals to get something for yourself to eat... but it's okay to kill plants!?!?! Where's the logic in that? You're still killing something to sustain your own life! How does that make you any better than the meat eaters among us? And if you're going to try the argument that God doesn't want us to eat animals, then why would he have made them out of meat? It's ludicrous to use your consumptive preference as an argument to make yourself out as being better than someone who does not share your views.

Do we need to treat animals better? Yes... and also other people and our environment as well! But so long as we have people spouting off about how "...Florida sucks..." and how they hate some people, we're never going to get where we need to be.

I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals... I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants!

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[–] pearl_girl79 20 years ago

OMG. Killing plants! Plants are just treated SOO cruelly arent they!!? I bet your tomatoes scream for their families as they are ripped of the vines. How can you even compare killing animals for food to killing plants? Plants arent concious creatures with feelings of happieness, sadness, fear and pain. Most animals are treated HORRIBLY before they are killed. Your saying "And if you're going to try the argument that God doesn't want us to eat animals, then why would he have made them out of meat?" Is the biggest load of crap Ive heard....animals made out of meat?! Why for that matter, YOU YOURSELF are made out of meat to, and if I dont mind, I think I might just fancy myself some human flesh! Whats wrong with that, God made us out of meat!! COME ON. Im not saying eating meat is wrong, or murder, but thats the lamest, stupidest line of 'reasoning' Ive ever heard, saying animals are made of meat.

I dont think meat eaters are bad people...I am one!! I eat chicken and fish!! But how dare anyone compare the life of an animal, which is precious, to that of a plant. If I planted plants in my garden, I can eat them....how is that cruel, or wanton distruction?!

JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS ANGERED BY KILLING OF ANIMALS, DO NOT BE SO INGNORANT TO ASSUME THAT THE SAME PERSON IS NOT ALSO OUTRAGED BY THE SLAUGHTER OF FELLOW HUMANS!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!

ANimals are more than hunks of flesh walking around to be eaten at your will, they are made of more than 'meat' as you put it so brilliantly.

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[–] jmbwithcats 20 years ago

Sorry pearl_girl79 you're wrong There have been many tests that prove plants are conscious, expressing feelings of fear and happiness. There are books on this. So there goes your theory of ridicule out the window.. heh..

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[–] jmbwithcats 19 years ago

I have read books on scientific instruments being used to measure fear in plants this was a long time ago, and since I could not locate that book I looked it up on line,ah the wonder of Google And found this:

THE DEBATE over whether plants have feelings is about to be reopened with the publication of research by scientists in Italy and Germany. Their findings suggest that plants under threat can marshal a positively devilish measure of cunning. They communicate the danger to plants nearby; and also call in help from other creatures.

Biologists at the University of Turin and the Max Planck Institute in Jena were yesterday reported to have found evidence that plants sensed — and reacted to — the presence of hungry, leaf-chomping grubs. Their response was to emit an odour similar to lavender. This alerted other plants to the presence of a predator.

But it also served to call in what modern military planners would term air support. Wasps, the natural enemies of grubs, were drawn by the odour to the plant where they either devoured the grub or injected it with eggs that later killed it. - http://www.hindu.com/seta/2004/04/22/stories/2004042200331600.htm

BAD NEWS FOR VEGETARIANS:
PLANTS FEEL PAIN

It has come to our attention at THE UNCOVEROR that something startling has been discovered by Dr. Bill Williams, a botanist at The Helvetica Institute. If his preliminary findings turn out to be true, they will prove that killing plants for food is no less cruel than killing animals for food. "Plants are aware," says Dr. Williams, "and they feel pain!"

Dr. Williams, and his team were doing experiments on talking to plants. He had set out to prove that this helped them only because it blows carbon dioxide over their leaves. He had one team speak lovingly to the plants, and another threaten and verbally abuse them. To the surprise of all involved, the plants that were lovingly spoken to thrived, producing large, lovely flowers. Their growth rates were off the charts! The plants that were verbally abused and threatened never bloomed. Some even withered and died.

His team then connected EEG electrodes to several plants, and measured their responses to various stimuli. "They definitely felt it when we pricked them with needles. One of my staff even burned one with a lighter. Not only did its EEG go off the charts, but so did every plant in the same room!" Dr. Williams is submitting his findings to other scientists for further review. He told me that plants not only seem to be aware and to feel pain, it looks like they can even communicate. They may even be sentient beings.

He told me, "I hadn't thought of it until now, but how does a fruit tree know how to make a sweet attractive fruit that animals will eat when it drops off, and spread the seeds? How do flowers know how to attract bees with sweet, fragrant nectar, and get their pollen spread about, assuring a next generation? They may be doing this consciously!" Maybe Disney will make a cartoon about a happy little vegetable. He will be called Buddy the Carrot. He'll lose his mother to the farmer when he picks her, and eats her. That could do to vegetables what Bambi did to meat! Carrots may in fact be more intelligent than deer. Who knows for sure? You read it here first at THE UNCOVEROR.

The bulk of the 3-year project was devoted to studying Lima bean (Phaseolus lunatus), native of central and south America. But according to a report by the Italian daily La Republica researchers elicited similar reactions from maize, from the plant that yields cranberry or borlotti beans (Phaseolus vulgaris) and from other species.

The findings of their joint project are to be published in Plant Physiology, a review of the American Society of Plant Biologists. Not the least intriguing question raised by the study is whether, at the start of the process they describe, there is something that can be termed fear. The debate began in 1966 when a lie detector expert, Cleve Backster, connected a plant to a polygraph. He said the machine registered changes as soon as he began to contemplate burning the plant's leaves.
http://www.uncoveror.com/plants.htm

The scary thing about this subject is that if plants do indeed feel, then being a vegetarian is no more eco sensitive then eating meat! It may stand to reason that a balanced diet of vegetables, fish, staying away from oily, salty, fatty foods overeating meat, etc.. is bad for you, but living a balanced life is what its all about anyways, right?

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[–] jmbwithcats 19 years ago

First of all, showing two sources does not mean the field of research is small. It only means I showed you two pieces of information.

Secondly, there is no evidence to support your claim that animals then are super sensitive compared to plants, for all we know animals could be less sensitive then plants.

True?

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[–] jmbwithcats 19 years ago

Hehe, I didnt even think we were arguing, I just love to discuss possibilities.

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[–] wisherc13 19 years ago

yea... got a question here... WHERE DO U AND SOYMILK FIND THE FREAKIN TIME TO LOOK UP HOW PLANTS "FEEL"

it seems kinda pointless to the outsider lookin in, unless you two REALLY love plants (or hate them). Furthermore, I do not see the relevence between your petty (tho apparently well "researched" argument), and the movie two brothers.

Can anyone CLUE ME IN?

PS- I'm in the midle of watching the movie now, and I'm enjoying it so far (it is an eye opener as well). I came to this site to see what other thought of this movie though, NOT to see two people argue about plants.

I may not be a vegetarian, but I can still love animals... Anyone got a PROBLEM with THAT?

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[–] jmbwithcats 19 years ago

Sure. pearl_girl79 was ranting about how plants can't feel, so i was just backing up dissimilar claims with actual research on the subject. lol, I was just havin' fun.

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[–] experiment-626 19 years ago

I have a better argument.

If God didn't want us to eat meat, why did she/he/it make it so tasty? XD

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[–] jmbwithcats 17 years ago

Because you're brainwashed?

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[–] seekingallthetime 10 years ago

Everyone keep quite, I am eating a chicken with tomato garlic sauce!

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[–] Vordrax 19 years ago

Sorry to just burst in on this (months down the line), but I saw an episode of Myth Busters, where they made an experiment like this. Plants that were spoken to (whether the words were good or bad) grew better than normal plants, and plants that had loud, abrassive music played to them grew even faster. So no, plants don't feel pain.

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[–] kdmacd 16 years ago

I hate to burst your bubble, but the MythBusters episode just showed that stimuli made the plants grow 'better' and/or 'faster'... they made no claims that the plants could or could not feel pain.

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[–] kdmacd 16 years ago

Well, Pearl_girl79, I'm really sorry to see that you have no concept of sarcasm or rhetoric. And - as to your comment about me (or other humans, for that matter) being made out of meat and how you'd like to have a slice... hey - whatever floats your boat, sweetheart; but I could probably run faster scared than you could hungry! : )

My point is simply that the previous poster was saying how they hate some people and that Florida sucks - and they are a vegetarian. How is any of that relevant to the movie!?!?! Just because they are a vegetarian, they care more about animals and are better than people in Florida or whoever else they decide they hate? I think not, thank you very much.

You also said:

But how dare anyone compare the life of an animal, which is precious, to that of a plant. If I planted plants in my garden, I can eat them....how is that cruel, or wanton distruction?!

So - by your logic, then - the fact that I raise Australian Shepherds (a breed of dog - not people from 'the land down under' that chase lambs around the field) and take the time to care for them until they mature... that gives me the right to eat them and it's not considered cruel or wanton "distruction"...? (as opposed to wonton destruction, which would be me devouring some Chinese dumplings...) Maybe now you can see how ludicrous your own statement is...

I'm not saying you don't have a right to grow plants and eat them - just as I'm not saying a farmer doesn't have a right to raise cattle or chickens and eat some of them. What really irks me, though, is the attitude of people that plants deserve any less respect than animals or especially that animals deserve more respect than people. Granted, I may agree with that in some isolated incidents, but I certainly wouldn't generalize it.

That was my point.

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[–] coolcatgal 20 years ago

Well, I am a vegetarian, I think vegetables are gross, and I hated this movie!
The least they could have done was NOT advertise this movie as 'the family film of the year'. Duh, it wasn't a children's film, it started out with a mating scene, while the audience suffered through 1 1/2 hours of animal abuse and a crappy plot (or lack of one). Well it was 1 1/2 hrs before I left the theater. I have no regrets for leaving except for wasting my money and giving it to the producers of this movie. And I AM an animal rights activist... I write letters for Peta and support Farm Sanctuary, I am active with the Homeless Orphaned Pet Endeavor program, and to top it off, i AM a vegetarian! So say what you like, I don't care if the ending was cute-sweet-bawl-your-eyes-out... this movie was terrible!

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[–] mcousins 20 years ago

Your wrong....
that's about all I can say.
Open your eyes!

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[–] wisherc13 19 years ago

uh... DUH... Showing animal cruelty in the world was the point of this movie ya genius

PS- If you are so into saving the animals, deal with the facts of life and rralize that this movie depicts the MILD version of everyday animal cruelty.

PSS- If u hate plants, u r u a vegaritian? To kill them? YEA, great...

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[–] buffbooks 19 years ago

I hate Florida too.
Al Gore

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[–] awlyv_awyl 19 years ago

Hi
I watched this movie yesterday. I liked it. I am not American, though I do live in the USA. I've been reading all the comments and it seems to have become more about Americans, than what people do. I eat meat, and have no problems with man killing an animal for food. What I do have a problem with is man killing animals for something like their tusks, skin, fur or some other petty stuff which is not a necessity but just done for pure profit. What I do like about the movie is that people can change. I don't really want to get into the argument whether plants feel more than animals do or vice versa. I do have a problem with de-forestation too, but not with eating fruits and plants.

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[–] TOOLofTheSouth 19 years ago

First, in Maria's defense, she did NOT say she "...hated some people". She said "...
i hate some people who don't care about anything except themselves." I don't particularly like people either who DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT THEMSELVES." That doesn't make me anywhere near being a biggot,etc.. Or Maria either, for that matter. Read the WHOLE sentence! I'm not a veggitarian. But I've eat one before...lol (okay that was wrong ;)) ANd what do you mean by if God doesn't want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat? Were you joking? Just because meat taste good doesn't bring reason to eat it or that would apply to everything or anything that tastes good. Some people LOVE the taste of pee because to 'them' it 'tastes' good. But do you really think they should be eating it? Also, IMHO, there doesn't have to be any 'logic' in killing plants to eat. Hunger and the need to eat is just not something you can turn off. We were made to eat. If we don't eat. We die. What's logic got to do with eating or survival? Though I choose to eat some meat, this life we were given is FULL of alternatives to killing an animal. In caveman days, they ate veggitation AND meat. Not just cause they were hungry but because it was survival. And a natural instict of survival. I agree with your other points and really liked your 'I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals...' LOL!
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[–] kdmacd 16 years ago

That doesn't make me anywhere near being a biggot,etc..

No, you're right - it doesn't... what makes Maria the "...selective bigot/racist/hate promoter..." was the comment that Florida sucks and her propensity towards hatred. I also don't particularly like people who don't care about anything except themselves - and I also don't particularly like people who 'hate'... it's just too extreme for my personal taste. (but - again - people should be free to do what they want, I suppose, as long as it doesn't harm someone else... but that opens up a whole other conversation, doesn't it?)

...what do you mean by if God doesn't want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat? Were you joking?

Absolutely - purely rhetorical sarcasm.

Some people LOVE the taste of pee because to 'them' it 'tastes' good.

Remind me not to party with them!!! As an aside - how would they eat it...? Like a Slur-pee...? (sorry - that was probably more 'wrong' than your joke...)

As to the 'logic' I would encourage you, also, to read in context - what I asked was how can you logically say that it is okay to kill a plant so that you can eat, but it's not okay to kill an animal. Either is an act of killing to sustain your own life, so how can one be better than the other? If you ever get a chance, listen to a song by the Arrogant Worms called Carrot Juice Is Murder - I personally find it hilarious!

Yes there are many alternatives to killing an animal (though every once in a while you just can't beat a good BBQ'd steak), yes we need to take better care of Mother Earth (or however you want to refer to it) but - more importantly, I think - we also need to be tolerant towards others and teach, as well as learn from, the people around us any lessons that can make this world a better place for us all to live.

And if they refuse to play nice, let's kick'em out of our sandbox! ; )

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[–] FuzzyWzhe 15 years ago

But don't be so quick to preach tolerance and fair treatment for animals, when you can't even show it to your fellow humans.

Man. Like we have to love you dirtbags first, then we worry about the rest of the planet and if we don't, well, it's just wrong.

I am starting to look forward to the Greatest Depression more and more. I am sick of vapid shallow people. Suffering is said to be a great teacher, may you be educated well.

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[–] herfancy 14 years ago

if you're going to try the argument that God doesn't want us to eat animals, then why would he have made them out of meat

By that logic should people eat each other too? I mean, we're all made of meat.

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[–] UnoriginalJess 19 years ago

Saying that Florida sucks, maria-16184, proves your broad generalisations and defencive comments, in which you're stretching your parameters. Saying that nobody cares about animals is a complete lie- looking at how much support the Greens and environmentalists have is actually quite phenomenal. Good for you that you'll never wear fur clothing- good for you that you're a vegetarian. But that doesn't exactly deal with the point at hand, does it? That Americans dislike this movie? Your answer- Florida sucks, and you hate selfish people. Right.

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[–] coralthesquirrel 18 years ago

I'm from Florida and I liked this movie.

It does not do to dwell on dreams, and forget to live...

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[–] clayheadswamp 17 years ago

oh, please, Guy Pearce and tiger cubs, what's not to love? (says an American)

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[–] Xevallah 20 years ago

Im sorry but your wrong.

Teenagers are the same angst filled, sex craving tards universally. Ofcourse the average teenager isnt going to enjoy the movie. Does not the review on the first page say take kids 10 and under?

As for all you PETA people, you should go watch Penn and Teller's *beep* "PETA" episode and realize the organization you love is run by a hypocritical sack of *beep*.

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[–] daydream_queen 19 years ago

"Teenagers are the same angst filled, sex craving tards universally. Ofcourse the average teenager isnt going to enjoy the movie. Does not the review on the first page say take kids 10 and under?" - Xevallah

How mature of you - not only do we get people making unfair snap judgements about Americans, here is someone who makes unfair snap judgements about teenagers...

I'm 18, I may be "angst-filled", but I liked this movie, and I think I probably know more about teenagers than you do. However, you are obviously a very mature, open-minded adult who has a well-thought point to argue... Are you expecting people to take you seriously when you simulataneously slam teenagers with crude arguements, and use words that insult the mentally challenged? Grow up, and learn to think carefully before you speak.

By the way, some people on this board have been saying that plants are living beings with thoughts and feelings, and we shouldn't eat them. Are you joking? What are we supposed to eat? Dust, or dirt? (Actually, if we eat dust or dirt, we would be responsible for callously slaughtering millions of microbes...)

Did anybody order an apocalypse?

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[–] UncleBobMartin 19 years ago

You should get close & personal with Penn Gillette and discover his halitosis and body odor problems.

I hate all people, animals and plants equally!

And this movie sucks! Didn't see it, but suffered through the same director's Quest For Fire.

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[–] Cesko1114 19 years ago

i am an american and i love this movie i am kinda glad that they dident have the tigers talking ( know what i mean ) it is my all-time favotite PG rated tied with That Darn Cat

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[–] DCelebrian 20 years ago

I am an animal rights activist. I love all animals and feel the have a place in our ecosystem. I try very hard to help them as I am able. I don't have a lot of money but their causes are mine. I belong to Greenpeace, Save the Whales, PETA and American Wildlife Federation. I don't know how else to help.
Two Brothers disturbed me greatly. What can we do?

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[–] UnoriginalJess 19 years ago

DCelebrian- (have you read 'the Silmarillion'? Your name- minus the D- is Arwen's mum and Galadriel's daughter's name!-) the answer to this movie is to get a grip, realise it happened, and do our best to change it. If 'Two Brothers' only made people disturbed, then it failed most abysmally in its purpose. What's happening to today's society? And why are people blaming the 'average American' for not liking it?

If this is the effect movies such as this have on people, what is the use of having them? Why shouldn't we just make nice, warm, fuzzy films of the world as it should have been? If movies portraying reality only shock and disturb us, then what's the point? Answer me that.

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[–] dogshowaddict 9 years ago

Well, to me, the "average American" comment means that the run of the mill audience member never, EVER thinks about capitalistic adventurers exploiting indigenous societies, which themselves got corrupted by imperialism and some kind of a sick ruling class in those nations. 19th-20th century puppet governments; how in God's name did they learn so quickly to exploit having picked up English, German, whatever, and convey an attitude to the archeological rapists and the money they brought into those underdeveloped countries.

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[–] Unicorn3mermaid 20 years ago

It's an amazing movie. One of the best movies I have ever seen.
I'm sick of all the disgusting movies with graphic sex scenes, blood and killing, stupid jokes, plots that mean nothing.
This movie shows the truth. People should at last take some responsibility, and try to save 5,000 tigers that are left in this world, and other animals too. We destoryed them - we should help them now.
I think that people who claim that the movie is boring and has no plot are just too plain to see them. They don't want to understand, they don't want to see the reality. I hate to watch at what is happening to the humanity.
I totally agree with all the people here who liked the movie and understood the serious message that it's bringing. Others who didn't - well, they are just too afraid and ignorant to be concerned in others (animals, for example) besides themselves.
I think it's pathetic that people nowadays prefer to go and see "Spider-Man", "Van Helsing", "Dodgeball", "Harry Potter" and other stuff like that, which brings NOTHING, which teaches NOTHING, and the popularity of such movies shows the degradation of the society.
I sincerely hope that someday people will wake up and open their eyes, and will realize that the true beauty of cinematography lies in such amazing movies as "Two Brothers".

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[–] highwaywench 20 years ago

BudGgaL, has it not occurred to you that she might not have been trying to get at you personally?
Oh and she's not talking about any random movie, she's talking about this one and she's right too. If people can't understand the message behind it they're selfish and ignorant or just very apathetic.

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[–] mcgandhi 20 years ago

movies are there to entertain - you want education? go watch a documentary

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[–] Sarakenobi 19 years ago

oh I completely agree. but then again, i'm an american so that apparently makes me a mindless drone ;) ;) what is it with these IMDB message boards ripping on americans? don't you love that?

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[–] UnoriginalJess 19 years ago

Hear, hear! gandhishairdryer speaks the TRUTH, the OBVIOUS- what many out there fail to see!

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[–] stormhame 20 years ago

"I think it's pathetic that people nowadays prefer to go and see "Spider-Man", "Van Helsing", "Dodgeball", "Harry Potter" and other stuff like that, which brings NOTHING, which teaches NOTHING, and the popularity of such movies shows the degradation of the society."

It's called ENTERTAINMENT. I go to a movie to be entertained. Movie aren't supposed to "bring" anything. C'mon. It's supposed to give you some enjoyment for the next couple hours.

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[–] luvvbuzz54 20 years ago

there is no such thing as "the average american" it is just a bunch of stereotypical ideas/predjudices that you thought up, i.e who are you measuring the so called average americans against in order to come up with the idea of them being average? generalizing is just rubbish, you accept people for who they are, not who you think they are/should be, otherwise you are what you say they are, not them.

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[–] luvvbuzz54 20 years ago

there is no such thing as "the average american" it is just a bunch of stereotypical ideas/predjudices that you thought up, i.e who are you measuring the so called average americans against in order to come up with the idea of them being average? generalizing is just rubbish, you accept people for who they are, not who you think they are/should be, otherwise you are what you say they are, not them.

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[–] Excessive 20 years ago

The "average American" didn't even see this film. They were too busy watching tripe, more specifically, White Chicks.

Words like violence. Break the silence.
Come crashing in. Into my little world.

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[–] Kateyes66 20 years ago

I go to the movies to be entertained. If I want a dose of reality, then I turn on the news. There's enough violence and tragedy and abuse in the world. I'm well aware of the reality that tigers face - I don't need to watch it in the theatre as well. There's nothing wrong with wanting to escape the real world, for a couple hours of "artificial expectations." The previews of this movie definitely misled people as to the type of movie it would be.

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[–] Eraser81 20 years ago

I'm an average American and I liked it. I thought the ending was quite well done too. I think it's not doing well because quite frankly there isn't a huge market for it.

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[–] bluecrush92 20 years ago

I'm also an average American and I thought this movie was great! It really gives you the message that we need to help safe the remaining wild tigers and all other animals! I love animals and we need to do everything we can to help save them.

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[–] UnoriginalJess 19 years ago

Hear, hear, Kateyess66! There's enough tragedy in reality, in the news! Everybody should want to escape from the real world- reality can't be changed until people can establish base ground on the fact they want to flee it! Films, novels, etc, should be written for the world as it was meant to be! There's nothing shallow about wanting to escape the world! Hear, hear!

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[–] Mayesgwtw39 20 years ago

So are you some sort of alternative-Sandy_Denny?

Color/class conscious, generalizing, selectively educated about americans-apparently, and elevating self-esteem by being dismissive?

The biggest idiots are those who try to pigeon-hole people by nationality and/or any other bias.

P.S. "Fahrenheit 911" was the box office winner over "White Chicks". The number one films in most countries are not so very lofty either, and usually reflect the biggest Hollywood mindless tripe.

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[–] UnoriginalJess 19 years ago

Hey, Mayesgwtw39, can I just say to your postscript that 'Farenheit 911' is just a piece of Hollywood gunk to make us hate George Bush more than the idiot actually deserves? How about you go and research Iraq before the war. I can assure you that kids weren't playing around, happily flying kites.

Sorry about that.

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[–] Zingarese 20 years ago

Do not blame the average American. I would blame marketing. I am sure that the distribution company saw this film as only a family picture and marketed as such. I mean the trailer for Baby Geniuses 2 previewed at the beginning of my film. Unfortunately, after I had seen this I went around and tried to promote the film too as many people as possible. Everyone single person laughed, telling me they would never go see a kids flick. Sure this is a film a kid might enjoy but I would not call it a kids film (as several people have suggested). Unfortunately when it comes to advertising, most people (no matter their nationality) will believe their own eyes over any critic or review found in the paper. If the trailer shows a kid happy film with silly tigers romping around, and a VO of Guy Pearce saying "Its my fault, they are not afraid of humans" (A part where he is about to go out and kill them in the film but in the trailer it shows the two brothers frolicking on a tour bus". People might be confused by the real film and not want to go out and spend ten bucks on a film the trailer has sold. That said, I thought it was a wonderful film, with a strong message and a great visual way of telling a story. I wish more films like this were made and not Baby Geniuses 2.

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[–] Valhoun 20 years ago

First, this movie is PG and not G so parents should probably figure out that taking their 6 year-old to this movie might not be the greatest idea. However, I think that the people who are angry at this movie are just the ones that are mad that, instead of letting a movie parent their children for an hour or two, they actually had to explain complex issues to their children. That would piss anyone off. I mean, isn't it the job of TV to teach our children complex issues? Right?

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[–] funkymonkey_23 20 years ago

I know this is off topic (even though i do agree that people should go see this movie). now this might sound stupid but if u can't take it stop reading now. I want to know why do the people of the united states call themselves american as if that's what they were. America is the name of the continent not the country, so why should they have the right to call themselves american. I hate it when people say "well you're not american"...you bet your ass i am i'm south american and as far as i know the people down there can call themselves american too. i just want to know if anyone knew who took the liberty in calling people from the united states american. im sorry that's just something that always bugged me.

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[–] hidion 20 years ago

What do you mean? I thought this post was about Ecuador!

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[–] funkymonkey_23 20 years ago

okayyyy

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[–] Starduster 20 years ago

So perhaps you feel I should call myself a "United Statesan"??????????

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[–] funkymonkey_23 20 years ago

sure! no it's already done, i just had to say something because it's always bugged me.

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[–] denifoster 19 years ago

I think we call ourselves Americans because we live in the United States of America!

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[–] waterjarvey 19 years ago

I know this is off topic (even though i do agree that people should go see this movie). now this might sound stupid but if u can't take it stop reading now. I want to know why do the people of the united states call themselves american as if that's what they were. America is the name of the continent not the country, so why should they have the right to call themselves american. I hate it when people say "well you're not american"...you bet your ass i am i'm south american and as far as i know the people down there can call themselves american too. i just want to know if anyone knew who took the liberty in calling people from the united states american. im sorry that's just something that always bugged me.

Thank you so much! I live in the US, but that's been bothering me too. Last year in my class there were posters on the wall that said, "God Bless America", and it had kids holding up the US flag. I was just like, "Um, don't they know that the US isn't the only country in America?" There's Canada, Mexico, and all of South America too! It annoys the heck out of me!

Anyway, back on topic. I'm American and I loved this film, for reasons already said.

I love animals, but does that stop me from eating meat? No. Humans are animals too, and it annoys me when people say that it's cruel to eat animals. Many animals eat other animals, so why shouldn't we? For some to live, others must die. Zebras eat grass, lions eat the zebras, when the lions die scavengers and insects eat the lion. It's what we were meant to eat and it's what we've been eating for thousands of years. If the early humans were vegetarians, the human race would be non-existant right now.

Whoo, I'm done ranting. Don't yell at me for saying my opinion.

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[–] highwaywench 20 years ago

Please tell me that's sarcasm..

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[–] denifoster 18 years ago

Yes, that was sarcasm.....

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[–] carefulconsumer 20 years ago

Valhoun, I think you have a good point. I have a 5yo, 7yo, and 12yo, and I rarely take them to the movies, because I want to be familiar with the content of the movie first. So I usually wait until it comes to the dollar theater, so I can afford to go see it, and then take them to see it if I approve of it. I don't like name-calling and violence, for example, but if there is a movie with some of these things, but also a lesson to learn, I might allow it. Of course, before we go I remind them that just because they hear or see these things doesn't mean they can do them. (After all, we do hear and see them occasionally in real life.) And after the movie, we discuss what we learned from the movie. My favorite kids' movie? Brother Bear. It was good if you just wanted an adventure and a laugh, and yet we learn about jumping to conclusions, about violence, about making hard choices, etc. I think I'll pass on this one, based on what those who have seen it are saying.
You know, I did disagree with you on one thing. The PG vs. G rating. Brother Bear was rated G. And as much as I loved Finding Nemo, I was surprised it was rated G. Five minutes into the film, I nearly left. We spent nearly an hour after the movie going over fish eating fish, girls killing pets, etc. Now I don't rely on ratings to judge whether a movie is suitable.

So, am I an 'average American'? I don't really care if I am or not.

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[–] Starduster 20 years ago

> "So, am I an 'average American'? I don't really care if I am or not."

I would not say that you are "average". I dont think the "average" parent goes to the lengths that you describe, to evaluate their kids entertainment choices.
I am NOT criticising you for doing so. However I do think that with an age range of 5, 7 & 12, there might be different levels of acceptance of various material and the maturity of the content.
I am an adult, but I enjoy family film as much as mature adult subjects. I like to think I have a "balance" of what I see and what I expect from what I see.
I agree that you can no longer rely on the film rating system. The US system has "gaps" and basicly dosnt cover the scope or content of a film.
Lately there have been too many attempts to slightly "polish up" an "R" rated film and pass it off as PG13. The biggest gap in our system is in films that lie somewhere between a "real" PG13 and R. In order to get the kids to the movie, it is pushed down to the PG13 level even though it is not suitable for most kids that age and certainly not less than 13.

On the subject of your criteria; I find it a bit strict particularly for a 12 year old, but then again, I dont know your kids or what they are generally exposed to everyday in the outside world. At schools there is all sorts of name calling and its true outside of school as well. You can try to set standards of what speech is acceptable for them to use but what they are likely to hear is FAR worse than some of what you get in kids movies. The same applies to code of conduct etc. Sometimes being too ridgid, leads to rebellion later on.

As for Two Brothers, I think the PG rating is accurate. You should be able to explain the elements for violence as something that was unfortunately practiced at one time and in certain cultures. The movie does not make these scenes too graphic, but the message comes across. This is a beautifully made film and the messages are ultimately good and important. To me, its a good learning experience and good entertainment for the family.

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[–] BelladonnaFatale 20 years ago

I could not agree with you more, Valhoun. *nods*

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[–] nlb15 20 years ago

I agree. It's all about marketing. Judging by the trailer, I thought my 5 year old would love to see it. However, reading the reviews and message boards I don't think she's prepared for that type of subject matter. Perhaps I need to inform her how animals are sometimes treated. I'm glad I took the time to check reviews and the boards to help me make a better decision whether to take my daughter or not.

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[–] redwriter 20 years ago

I would like everybody here to understand that the violence against animals here was only projected or left to the imagination. NO animals were killed or injured during the filming of this movie. It did, however, portray a time when this cruelty was common.

This is a film that should be required viewing for anybody old enough to understand the beauty, the love and -- above all -- the message of this movie.

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[–] chiphazard22 20 years ago

I was never interested in this movie because it has no Art, no talent and it had no plot; something like this has already been done before and somebody ripped the idea off. I'm glad Spider-Man 2 beat Two Brothers. GO SPIDEY!

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[–] djsycophant 20 years ago

Just a general reply -

Get over yourselves. I don't know how many people out there can be so callous toward human beings but so tree huggy save the whales nutty at the same time. So, you lose faith in humanity and we all suck. Fine. Animals will not make it any better. Personally, regarding this film, I think it would have been better if we all got to eat the tigers at the end of the movie. Like some tiger jerky or tiger ka-bobs or something.

Seriously though, Im a carnivore because meat tastes good. This movie sucked because it sucked. Beautiful shooting, bad movie. It's ok though, we got to see tiger's *beep*.

me™

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[–] aimeeba7827 17 years ago

Just a general reply -

Get over yourselves. I don't know how many people out there can be so callous toward human beings but so tree huggy save the whales nutty at the same time. So, you lose faith in humanity and we all suck. Fine. Animals will not make it any better. Personally, regarding this film, I think it would have been better if we all got to eat the tigers at the end of the movie. Like some tiger jerky or tiger ka-bobs or something.

Seriously though, Im a carnivore because meat tastes good. This movie sucked because it sucked. Beautiful shooting, bad movie. It's ok though, we got to see tiger's *beep*.

me™

haha like anyone will read this becuase this hasnt been visited since september but anyways...
you are gay
what the hell do you mean getting callous toward humans?
do you know what animals have to go through because of us humans:
--they loose their homes n have to adapt to our big cities and crap-and i'm sure you know of the biggest example..deforestization and this is especially directed at your "save the whales" comment, who are the ones that dump garbage and crap into the oceans? yeah thought so
--as if cotton wasn't enough for clothing, we need to go kill them for their fur and wild animals trapped in tight cages? not right (before you mention anything about zoos, i dont go to those either)
--lets not forget all the sports such as bullfighting that basically consists of torturing a bull for a stadium full of humans' entertainment
--and of course food...yes i understand people need protein, i get that thank you but to me it seems like meat has taken over most of our diets and as a result it does cause health problems
--even conditions at animal shelters
--how about science? i don't know what makes people think they can grab any animal from outside and perform all these tests on them, but we do. furthermore, what makes us think that testing things on an animal will solve our health problems or crap?

finally, man is the only animal that causes pain, KNOWING it causes pain
me, i have never heard of nonhuman animals killing for anything more than survival but if you have a story of a..say elephant..bringing a gun to another elephant's head..oh do tell

day by day nothin seems 2 change
but all of a sudden everythings different

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