Do you think Ray actually loved Mirabelle? Or was it just sex?

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I think Ray loved Ray.

You know the sound of wind rushing through treetops? That's my signature.

I think Ray told us EXACTLY what he felt for her.

Being the busy man that he is flying all over the place, I think Ray
was just looking for someone to be with without the attachments. He developed a genuine care for her as he stated he never intended to hurt her or make her go through this. He made it clear from the start he only wanted to have her as company when he needed it but be free to see other people.

On the other hand, Mirabelle being treated this way obviously felt more for him and also she was depressed. If anyone knows anything about depressed people, they are vulnerable and can be easily attached to you when you show them even just a little interest or care/affection.

I definitely think that he loved her. Ray couldn't just jump into a relationship. That would make him too vulnerable. He tried to get close to her, because he liked her, but he did it in a way in where he could try to convince himself that he wasn't vulnerable. He tried to convince himself it was more carnal in order to put up a shield. This explains what he says at the end of the movie.

Anyways, I think the movie is HIGHLY underrated, and I think Martin is a genius.

-R (aka the man of the hour, every hour)

I have read every ones ideas on if he loved her or not and I guess I feel different. Maybe because I used to be in this relationship. A man just like "Ray". My Ray was the same, older, wealthy, worldly and was able to give me the material things he thought I needed. This whole movie I could not help her with Ray and not Jeremy.


Now in my opinion is at first it was the sex, then it was a caring/loving but not "in love" relationship. But, When he could not tell his sex buddy that he loved Mirabelle. I heard yes. To me we are shown how Mirabelle is insecure. To me Ray was even more insecure. When he could help her with her illness it made him feel important in her life. Because of his insecurity he was unable to commit. It's not that he really did not feel worthy of her he made all the excuses to his self so he could keep telling his self it would never work. SO with this long drawn out explanation, yes, he loved her and still did at the art show. But, I don't think it could have ever been more than it was. Ray has issues that will never allow him to be happy. Yes it's his own fault and I hated that in the end. If he was not so messed up she could have been the love of his life.



If anyone is interested, my Ray and I lasted almost two years. I had to let him go. It's hard not knowing where you stand. He has married and so have I . He is not happy but I am. He may never be happy, but that is something he needs to help his self with. Just like in this movie I found out too late how he felt. I do miss him but don't think about him much anymore, this movie is making me think of him now. I am starting to wonder if Steve Martin knew my Ray because the similarities of the story are crazy. But, I did not have a Jeremy.




I did not know till I watched this movie that other men would deprive themselves of happiness all because of fear. Although I believe unless he really let go she could never be happy.

Ray loved Mirabelle.

however not in the way Mirabelle wanted or deserved to be loved.

in the novella, Martin explains that their relationship had evolved without Ray intending or even noticing until it had happened. it had morphed into a father/daughter relationship. Ray wanted to look after and care for Mirabelle and she wanted him to take care of her as well.

He loved her, but her putting him under pressure turned him away from wanting something serious. Men don't like to be forced into relationships. At least that's what I was thinking.

He loved himself and only himself.....guy was a total d!ck.










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