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no more mexican copycat of the american way!


Awfully written! What a waste of money and hope was Nicotina! I would like to see toughtful films like Amores Perros and La ley de Herodes, buy with Nicotina I only get a clumsy copycat of Snatch and Smocking Barrels of Guy Ritchie and many Tarantino situations as in Pulp Fiction, what happened??? can´t we aboard our mexican feeling in our own terms? by our own narrative forms? I am a mexican, I hope that this kind of movies does not end with the faith many of us have in a possible new industry reborn. There is some technique work in the film that is good, very Guy Ritchie too, buy I am not worried about the form, that we can adapt, is the contents that I am worried about.

P.S: Yo soy mexicano, me gustaria escribir en mi idioma para comentar nuestras peliculas pero no conozco ningun otro punto de encuentro tan bueno como este para hacerlo, Too pity so I stick with the english.

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yo tambien

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completamente deacuerdo nicotina fue un fraude, el cine mexicano a mejorado en sus tecnicas pero las historias dejan mucho que desear

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hola

cuales son las mejores pelicluas mexicanas?

O_P

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hasta que se dignan hablar en español...

se me hace una jalada que los comentarios de los ''users'' que han visto esta pelicula esten todos en ingles aun cuando todos estan en yucatan, o monterrey o el D.F.

saludos!

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pork se quejan tanto de la pelicula, la verdad no la he visto, pero mehan dicho k es divertida,
ademas no es un plagio porque no creo que la historia sea igual que la de guy ritchie, tal vez el estilo lo es, pero no el argumento.. repito k no la he visto..
otra cosa, porque pones american way, yo me la paso quejando de que al resto del continente nos discriminana porlimitar la palabra america a gringolandia, y ahi va un mexicano a hacerlo. por si no te acuerdas mexico esta en el continente americano

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Pues supongo que pro el parecidio de tecnicas y guiones que tiene con peliculas como Snatch...

En fin, no me parecio una pelicula mala, al contrario es entretenida, y con un excelente final...


Veanla... vale la pena.

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I agree with you about the copycat thing. Maybe the director of this one admire Guy Ritchie or something, Also the original name of this movie was "Cigarros , desamores y 20 diamantes" but somebody has the brilliant idea of change this one because it was to close to Guy Ritchie "Lock , stock and two smoking barrels", The movie is good not the best one but it's funny specially Jesus Ochoa and his dialogs, maybe the best of the movie.

Yo tambien soy Mexicano.
Cd Juarez "Ni una mas !!"

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hola, yo tambien soy mexicano, pero estoy en españa, aun no he visto la pelicula, la acaban de estrenar aqui hace una semana pero no he tenido tiempo de ir, solo quiero hacer un pequeño comentario, estoy de acuerdo con eso de que te deberias referir las peliculas de estados unidos como estadounidense o hollywodense, y una pequeña aclaracion, si es copia de "lock, stock and two smoking barrels" seria estilo britanico.

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La verdad la Pelicula es una mas, simplemente te divierte, y tanto en el cine mexicano como en el de cualqueir pais debe de haber TODO tipo de peliculas, buenas, divertidas, malas porque a final de cuentas asi se les da oportunidad a mucha gente, muchos directores famosos y "buenos" empezaron haciendo peliculas malas o churros pero asi empezaron y asi agarraron experiencia. Nicotina no es mala, simplemente no es una pelicula de reflexion ni de arte es simplemente una pelicula para D I V E R T I R. Y en eso cumple su objetivo en cierto grado, sea copia del estilo que sea. (Y como es un foro Internacional repito mi aportacion en Ingles, pero PRIMERO en ESPAÑOL por ser Mexicano).

I think that this picture is just one more, its about entertaining you, and in mexican cinema as well as any other country's cinema, there has to be ALL kind of movies, good, fun, bad, because that's the way that a lot of people will get oportunities, a lot of famous "good" directors started making very bad films, but that's how they started and got their chance to do cinema, and had experience. Nicotina is not a bad movie, it just isn't a reflection or art movie is just a movie that seeks to entertain. In that fullfills its objective to a certain degree, even if it is a copy of a certain style. (This being an International forum I rewrote my post in English, but FIRST in SPANISH because I'm Mexican).

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Soy Domicano y soy un gran fanatico del cine Mexicano. Desde muy pequeño me gustba el Chavo,Chicichadas y Capulina. Mi Papa trbajaba para un canal television y siempre venia con pelicula de Cantilnflas (Uno de mi favoritos personajes). Con los años fuy entroduciendo me a otras peliculas como Los Ovidados (muy buena pelicula) que fue abriendo un apetito a mundo que nunca habia visto. MI favotitas peliculas son:

Aventurera
Japon
Y tu mama tambien
Como agua para chocolate
Una famalia de tantas
La ilusion viaja en tranvia
El lugar sin limites
Macario
Vamonos con Pancho Villa
Y risas en vacaciones (pasitos PUN Pun)

There's more but I can't list them all. Cinema Mexico showed Hollywood they are not alone. And we are growing.

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What does "peliculas" mean? Does it mean movies or something? I know this Spanish is bad because I used an online translator. I want to learn though!



Qué hace el "peliculas" ¿medio? ¿Significa películas o algo? Sé que este español es malo porque utilicé un traductor en línea. ¡Deseo aprender sin embargo!

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the Mexican working title: "Cigarros, Desamores y 20 Diamantes"(Cigs, Heartbreak and 20 diamonds) combined with the movie make it an OBVIOUS rip-off "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels", i mean, just look at the name!!!!!

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To satar_e5:
yes, peliculas means movies

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guy ritchie, es ingles; o sea no americano

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La verdad estoy bastante desactualizado en cine latinoamericano, decidi bajar las peliculas y en algun lado recomendaron esta....
Será verse la jodida pelicula a ver cual es el escándalo.

Por cierto secundo la moción de aquel que pidió recomendaciones del cine mexicano....yo la verdad me quedé en Cantinflas, Amores Perros, Y tu Mamá Tambien ....

Por lo pronto recomiendo del cine colombiano:

La estrategia del Caracol
La gente de la Universal
Golpe de Estadio

lástima que no se consigan tan facilmente....

Tan pronto me vea la pelicula volveré a quejarme ..asi sea de los que se quejan....

Por cierto van dos veces que lo dicen y tienen razón....Ritchie es inglés y las peliculas no tienen NADA que ver con el estilo americano, claro está aparte de haber usado a Pit y del Toro en Snatch.

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Anyone who uses the word "copycat" and the phrase "american way" doesnt sound like my candidate for international film criticism. Although I didnt think the movie was fantastic, the last thing I thought was that it was a copy of an American movie. Not because it isnt, or because its not similar to an American movie, but because I am proud of people trying to be creative and trying to promote Mexican films. There is not a lot of resources available for Mexican filmmakers so, my congratulations to those who are able to do it and be successful and get mexican movies out into the spotlight. Mexican film has evolved tons since the "Cine Mexicano de la Epoca de Oro" and any intent at straying from it and using abstract ideas or humor deserves a thumbs up for me.

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I am an independent hispanic filmmaker in California, I have begun writing a screenplay of a undocumented person crossing the border, just like our relatives did, but its not as plain and simple it has a beautiful plot but with trajic events, that in a way people may view us differently but it is the truth of what i portray. SO...
MY QUESTION IS WOULD YOU SEE THIS MOVIE?

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It depends. Would it be a remake of "El Norte"? Because that movie was a fantastic film. Painful, real, honest. I would see it of it wasn't an immitation of this film.
Sandra

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"...I have begun writing a screenplay of a undocumented person crossing the border,...MY QUESTION IS WOULD YOU SEE THIS MOVIE?"

Personally, I would wait to hear the criticism before I spent money to see it. I am from south Texas, so undocumented people who have crossed the border are part of my daily life, as are their stories.
For me, and perhaps for others who live near our border, the mere fact that someone crossed the border without documentation would not be enough of an attraction...a more unique plot would be required. Perhaps, though, for people living elsewhere, this would be a not-so-commonplace story which, on its own, would draw them to the theater.

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I'm personally looking for a movie that does start out with a brief history of a person's immigration into this country and the struggle to survive. But mainly I would like to see, in major content of the film, the accomplishments and success stories of those who do not give up their own personal dream and re-create the 'American Dream'.

I have seen films, for example Real women have curves, which end in the fact that the young lady decides to go to the university. So what?! I want to see what happens when she's done...how does she manage to enter, struggle and succeed in the world. I believe that most people are already familiar and aware about the initial immigrant struggle, either from personal experience, from family history, or from the movies. We need to move on, to document the fact that there is life after the struggle, that we do not get stuck in suffering and feeling sorry for ourselves because we've had it so hard. What happens after 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?

In conclusion, I would go watch it out of curiosity but, I would only recommend it if it left me with an optimistic feeling and an even stronger pride of being a migrant Mexican succeeding in the United States.

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yes!

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Just saw it in San Diego.
Reminds me of Coen Brothers films
which don't copy themselves or anyting else.
Keep it coming!
Its going to be at Horton Plaza for at least a month.

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Nicotina had its US premiere at:
http://www.sdlatinofilm.com

Please check new Mexican film premieres at:
http://www.bajacaliforniafilmfest.org

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Siempre está disponible el foro de Supervaca.com para hablar de cine y DVD

http://www.supervaca.com/foro

Ahi los esperamos!

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Hola todos...

Con respecto a que esta pelicula es una copia del cine de Hollywood, no comparto la misma opinion, en todo caso pareceria mas del tipo de humor negro britanico, pero tampoco es asi, en esta pelicula vemos a un Diego Luna con talento, haciendo un papel de acuerdo a el tipode actor que es, los demas estan a la altura, me sorprendio gratamente Rafael Inclan.


De verdad que necesitamos la gente de habla hispana conectarnos mas entre nosotros (buen sentido de la palabra)y hacer nuestra critica de una manera inteligente y constructiva, y por que no, si tenemos la facilidad, hacerlo en ambos idiomas, al fin y al cabo, nuestra cultura (por desgracia) se esta Americanizando. (USA)

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Se que esto no tiene que ver con la película pero...

Seria genial que hubiera una página similar a esta pero en español, con los datos y mensajes que tiene esta e igualmente completa (aunque imdb tiene muy poco con respecto a los actores que no son estadounidenses).

Hace poco estaba leyendo los mensajes de una serie (ahora no recuerdo cual) y es impresionante la cantidad de gente que habla otros idiomas, en especial español y pense que estaria bueno tener una página similar pero más dedicada a los programas y películas latinoamericanas.

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Also the original name of this movie was "Cigarros , desamores y 20 diamantes" but somebody has the brilliant idea of change this one because it was to close to Guy Ritchie "Lock , stock and two smoking barrels",


Ooops, good thing they changed it... 'cos that would just have been a LITTLE too obvious. *cough*

As someone pointed out above, Guy Richie is British and Nicotina to me seemed to be a mix of two strong influences: Lock, Stock and the wave of "Britflick" crime comedies that followed it, and a little Tarantino, via the Tarantino-influenced (but still excellent) Amores Perros. But i thought it was much closer to Lock, Stock, cos it had nothing of the trademark Tarantine dialogue (that Amores Perros has), for example.

I still found Nicotina entertaining for the moment (but perhaps mostly because Diego Luna's so adorable, to be honest) - but original? Not really... I'm glad they changed the title, though, cos that would have been telling!

Everything is fine! I was just swinging from a chandelier without a seat belt.

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Sou brasileiro e gostei do filme. Achei que fosse argentino.
Ele fez da queda um passo de dança, do medo uma ponte, da procura um encontro.
Fernando Sabino

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Am I the only one reading this forum, who is not Spanish speaking? What a waste to post all your comments in Spanish, because I am really interested in your opinions. I offcourse understand the tendency as I am also bi-lingual, but maybe posting in spanish ánd english is a good idea?

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Isso foi só uma maneira de fazer com que americanos sintam, nem que seja por alguns momentos, o que é falar uma língua que ninguém aprende, nem está interessado, porque afinal de contas, o que vale é a grana, e ela fala inglês.

That was just a way to make americans feel, at least for a few moments, what is to speak a language nobody knows nor is interested on learning, because after all it´s all about cash, and cash speaks english.

Ele fez da queda um passo de dança, do medo uma ponte, da procura um encontro.
Fernando Sabino

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Gracias. Puedes recomendar algun film mexicano o latinoamericano? Te pregunto una cosa: ha visto "Bus 174" e los films de Jorge Furtado? el mejor es un curta metragem llamado "Isla de las flores", de los años 80. Perdon, no hablo espanõl.

Ele fez da queda um passo de dança, do medo uma ponte, da procura um encontro.
Fernando Sabino

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god you guys, just because I can write english doesn't mean i'm american so just cut your little insults and be happy to know that american/english is not my native language and I fluently speak at least two more languages, unfortunately nothing latin ok? besides, this is about the movie... I finally saw it, finally managed to find a copy with (oh dare I say it...) english subtitles. and i thought it was great.

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Im not a big fan of mexican culture, I found their music horrible, along with their TV.

But Mexico has become really good in directors, just look this year: "Babel" of Alejandro Gonzales and "El Laberinto del Fauno" from Guillermo del Toro, both are really good.

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TV sucks in mexico indeed.
I do not agree on the music side though, you can find some interesting stuff too. I dont like mexican pop music at all, but there has been a movement of young people doing different stuff. I guess it is the same everywhere, there's crap and there's some interesting stuff, of cours crap comes by dozens.

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Isn't this whole thread about Nicotina, a Spanish spoken movie. If you're bothered because people post in Spanish, then bust out a dictionary and make an effort. No es que difícil, pendejos. ;) Or maybe you should stick to watching stellar American films like American Pie or Jack Ass. Nicotina is just another film in the genre - comedia negra - like Trainspotting, Snatch, Four Rooms, Pulp Fiction, & Desparado - and it won't be everybodys cup of tequila.

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that's a lame argument. even if this is a spanish spoken movie; should I not be allowed to watch it or read about it because spanish is not my mother tongue?
and I was not bothered by it (nothing in my posts to imply that), just felt I was missing out.

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The film is culture clash.
Morons lump it with Pulp Fiction.
Sadly, most Mexicans would rather watch American blockbusters,
just like the rest of the world.

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