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EXPLAINING THE WHOLE MOVIE *spoils everything*


first, the kid was not sean, ever, not even for a moment, obviously, since sean was cheating on anna and would have gone straight to clara instead of anna, which makes it completely obvious right there, BUT, more proof... the kid saw clara bury the love letters sean gave to her (they actually show him walking behind clara after she buries a box which contains those letters around the ending of the movie, only the timeframe of that scene was actually right before the kid began believing he was sean [the beginning of the movie], not the night before). (these were the love letters that were written to sean by anna. sean never opened these letters and gave them to clara to prove he loved her more, as clara explains at the end of the movie. and yes, he did love her more, why the hell else would be hand over alllll the love letters written to him by anna completely unopened? not a very loving thing to do, is it?)

the kid then unearths them and reads and memorizes details written in those letters (this is why he couldnt just go in and recall certain conversations or talk about the lectures he used to give). no, he didnt read and memorized details because he wanted to find a way to trick anna, but he read them and fell in love with anna and her writing (much like anyone would have etched in their memory a favorite story and author when they were kids). and so he became sean through the love letters and fell inlove with anna. and then the movie unfolds as it did.

to explain better the part when clara gets to anna's place and the kid opens the door to her: the kid opens the door. clara is there. the kid is shocked. she shows him her hands are dirty. the kid realizes clara went to see if the love letters were still buried and is kinda paralized. thats why when clara asks him to show her where the bathroom is and then asks him to dry her hands, he does so without thought. he's afraid clara will tell anna about him digging up the letters. clara gives him her new address and the kid actually asks her to not tell anna (no, this was not about the cheating on anna with her. keep in mind, he didnt even know who clara was, which he admits around the end). they both know clara expects him to show up the following day with those letters, which is why he had them in his bag. another thing, how could he possibly be sean and not know the person (clara) he loved more?

but by the end of the movie, its pretty obvious that he's not sean, but a kid who took on a second persona. anna is just completely devistated that she's getting married and its not to the real sean (u can see how happy she was, right up until she saw joseph during the photos)... the end shows her having a breakdown of sorts at the beach (the first place sean and she ever met), tying it all together.

i just wish they showed the love letters and the parts he memorized and used, but this movie seems to be more of an open-ended piece, deliberately trying to cause conversation. i just think it would have been better if explained in the movie. she lost sean 10 yrs ago and the child is 10 yrs old... kinda makes u think it might be possible the kid really does have the reincarnation of sean's soul in him... but if it wasnt that way, the movie wouldnt be half as good.

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OK, this helped a lot, and I feel a little better. But how does the boy know who told her about Santa by looks, rather than a name?

THEY MAY SAY THOSE WERE THE DAYS. BUT IN A WAY YOU KNOW FOR US THESE ARE THE DAYS

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There were photographs included with the letters.


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I still don't get it. Why would he include a picture of that lady in a love letter and tell Anna that this person told you about Santa?

THEY MAY SAY THOSE WERE THE DAYS. BUT IN A WAY YOU KNOW FOR US THESE ARE THE DAYS

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The correspondence was from Anna to Sean, not the other way around.


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Ohhhhhhhhh! OK, I didn't realize that. It's no wonder nothing was clicking. Haha.

THEY MAY SAY THOSE WERE THE DAYS. BUT IN A WAY YOU KNOW FOR US THESE ARE THE DAYS

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I refuse to allow Clara to bully me into believing that Sean loved her more. I talked about it with my husband and he thinks Dead Sean gave her the letters so he could keep his wife (whom he loved) and his piece of tail.

I lean towards the It Was Sean camp. The film is full of ambiguities that would suggest either way, but how did he know the location where Sean died?

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Why didn't he remember Clara after he read the letters?


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He could have. That "Don't tell Anna" line was one of the ambiguous lines of the movie and not acknowledging Clara may have been an "eff you" to her and her selfish aggressive behavior---which granted makes it unfortunate that he retreats from Anna soon thereafter. Someone posted that she believed she'd seen a version of the movie that had an extra line, after Lauren Bacall says "I never liked Sean," little Sean says "Neither did I." I think possibly his memories of Clara flushed back and he didn't want to bring her back into his life, or Anna's. When Nicole shakes him in the tub, calling him "a little liar" it could be that Dead Sean is the big liar.

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If he remembered Clara, why didn't he go and tell Clara to not tell Anna right then? Instead, he chose to pursue Anna knowing well Clara was intending to give the letters to her.

Anna tells the kid he's a little liar because it dawned on her how stupid it was for to believe such a whopper in the first place and him leading her on to believe it. Of course he lied to her. He never told her he got the information about her and Sean from the unopened letters, which he carried with him in his backpack.


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The problem I have with the theory posted is this: he followed Clara, saw her bury the letters, dug them up, read them on the very same night of the party? Then introduced himself to Anna as her dead husband. To believe that this kid got all that he needed to know about Sean from these letters is to believe that a 10 year old could digest Anna's letters to Sean in a short time span and hatch a plan to be the reincarnated husband. I don't think so. Would the letters include the place where Sean dropped dead? Of course not. These are supposed love letters. Young Sean also ran to Clara's husband. How did he know him? Why would Anna have pictures and put names on the photos. Kind of convenient for someone looking to plot a conspiracy, especially a 10 year old.

It's far easier for me to believe that the kid did have some recall of a former life and like the poster above, I won't be bullied by Clara into believing that Sean loved her the best. If he did, he would have left his wife, period. Married men say this stuff all the time to keep the other woman hanging. Perhaps, Sean, in this new incarnation remembered more his love for Anna and had blocked out his affair in the afterlife as something he had regretted. Whatever, my main reason, is that he didn't have sufficient time to plot after digging up the letters.

The movie failed for me for the reason that it is too purposely obtuse about where the kid is coming from. Also, Anna's breakdown at the end reveals a woman who is too deeply conflicted to have gone crawling back to her fiance and begging him to forgive her. I would have bought more into the psychological complexity of love and loss as a plot if she had realized that she couldn't marry Joseph. The appearance of her reincarnated husband should have made that clear to her, regardless of whether it was true or not. She still had feelings for her dead husband. Until someone can answer how he knew where her husband had died, I can't buy into the letters giving him enough ammo to be able to assume the identity of a reincarnated husband. He would have needed more time to hatch such a plan and the movie was obliged to reveal that.

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actually he didnt read them all and talk to anna the night of the first party, which was their engagement party. if you recall he never went in the house that night. he came an unknown number of nights later durring the birthday party.

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Correct.


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you forget there is also a social code in the family, she has to move on. Remember the mother ignoring here plans of going away with sean? She tells her to reconcile with Joseph and marry. So after she hears that sean isn't existing in the boy, she comes back to her senses and does the right thing. But she's too screwed up to get back too where she was, which was a decend but maybe not a passionate life.

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He intercepted the letters. So, that is no reason to go to Clara.

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He is not Sean, with the letters he believes that he is Anna's Sean, the man that Anna fell in love, and for me it's the Heartbreaking thing the Sean that Anna loved is back and he is gone away.

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actually, that line isnt ambiguous at all... i explained it. he knew he was caught by a woman who was still a mystery to him... he never knew who this woman was... ever, right up to the end when she explained that she was his lover and anna was just the wife. then the kid said then i cant be sean, because i love anna... that proves everything right there... thats the kid talkin. thats the kid sayin he's the one tied up with loving anna, not sean. he's the one infatuated with her, not sean. this isnt a true love movie. this is a movie about a woman who lost the man she loved and never knew that man was cheating on her and was never told the man was either just using her in the first place (for money, etc.) or that the man fell out of love with anna after meeting clara. it is what it is. and yes, there were pictures of the people the kid knew about with the letters. its all explained very simply once clara does the flash back.

and the little liar thing was about the kid saying he's not sean. he cant be because he loves anna. he didnt explain that he meant HE IS THE ONE who loves anna and SEAN DID NOT (u have to stop making it out to be that sean loved anna... yeah, he may have at first, but how in love are u with someone if u dont even open ANNNNNYYYY of the love letters sent?). so when she asked him to explain himself, he wouldnt (he, the kid, loves anna, and didnt want to hurt her sayin that sean was cheating on her with clara because sean loved clara more). so he said nothing during that scene and anna understood it to mean the boy finally confessed it all. that the truth was he never was sean and this is just a boy in her bathtub. she even says it. and she even says "u had me fooled." in the end, she knows its not sean and never was sean.

anna writes to the kid to see how he's doing with his school and treatments because, yeah, she knows he's not sean, but that doesnt mean she can walk away from this kid as if nothing ever happened. she still needs sean and he's the closest thing she's got, and anna isnt a complete bitch... how could one not care about a kid so psychologically screwed? i mean, there must have been some deep seeded *beep* goin on for that kid to take on some dead guys persona. he even keeps lying to her through the letters, sayin that the doctors still dont know how/why the change happened... well, it happened when u read those letters kid! and why it happened is cause ur brain is screwed... just some psych stuff id assume.

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One can, of course, read this movie at "face value" like you do, Andro. After I digested it a little I saw that film had many more layers beneath obvious storyline that you describe. Even Dead Sean said that he was a man of science and believed in hard facts, but that if the bird said that it was Anna, he'd be "stuck with the bird." This is hardly a cut-and-dried movie.

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anyone can read into anything and make it more than it is. its not hard to do. this movie allows for that sort of play, definitely. but once u get into that, u might get confused. so the point of my posting this stuff was to unconfuse the obvious points and settle the argument with the facts of the film. like i said, this film is open-ended purposely... do what u will with it. just dont confuse the facts.

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just dont confuse the facts.

probably from the fact that the kids father wasnt around (never explained, but pretty obvious he wasnt seein as that there was no father character and this kid is just 10 yrs old)


Young Sean's father was played by Ted Levine. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0505971/

I understand the oversight, many subtle details in this movie can be hard to notice. ;)





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huh... that must have been around the beginning of the movie when i walked away for a phone call... i missed like 20 mins..... thats my fault

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Yeah, the kid's father is shown a few times here and there. That's actually one of the main points I use to say the kid was pretending/lying/believing he was a dead man - because his father and mother could not explain the sudden change of character in him. Also, that his father worked as a tutor in the same building and would leave his kid at the lobby unsupervised, or in the care of the doorman.


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So, Andro, if you get it all, like you say you do, please explain to us: how can small Sean know where dead Sean died?

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"One can, of course, read this movie at "face value" like you do, Andro. After I digested it a little I saw that film had many more layers beneath obvious storyline that you describe."


Exactly :)

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YEAH i forgot about her comment about exploring w/sean. that was creepy. u make good points

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You are really out to lunch !! It is 100% Sean and there are many many things shown in the movie to prove it! The only question I have is why did he NOT decide to explain his doubts to Anna... AlSo the end of the film has her remembering the letter he just sent to her and going over the fact in her head that she KNOWS it was him!! That is why she freaks and is probably going to drown herself at the end! BTW I froze the scene with the letter he opened and I read some of it. It was mentioning the 30 churchs thing, which ironically lends credence to your theory, but if you were to actually really dissect things you would SEE that he is 100% Sean reincarnated, and the Clara thing proves that he was having an affair, and that he simply wanted to have his cake and eat it too! He would have left Anna if he loved her more..plain and simple!! He was a lecturing "man of science" as well so he did NOT need ANNA for money!! I think that leaves the question as to the nature of LOVE and SPIRITUALITY open for debate also! I have very strong beliefs about reincarnation and also SOUL-MATES, so I find the whole thing fascinating!The fact that the film was technically perfect doesn't hurt either!

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fact is that HE DID remember her!! That is the reason why he followed her in the first place DUH!!sorry to run over your theory but I PROMISE YOU that you are wrong about this point!! Do not allow yourself to be pig-headed about changing your mind!

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I agree! I believe the reason he followed Clara in the first place was because he had an unexpected urge to do so, as if he knew to follow her, but didn't understand why. Sean very obviously loved Anna more because if he truly loved Clara, he would have left Anna and he didn't. How could he have loved Clara more? A women so caddy that she was actually going to give all Anna's love letters to her husband to her a wedding present? She was a horrible person and I don't believe for one second the original Sean would have went to her first over a women he shared his life with. There are way too many holes in the original close-minded poster's theory. Yet, he can't explain how the younger Sean knew where Sean died, which to me is a huge factor in coming to the inclination that it was in fact her Sean. I believe the Clara story line could have been his reasoning for reincarnation to begin with. Maybe he carried that regret with him and needed to atone for what he had done. A 10 year old can't fathom infidelity to its full capacity, so it genuinely confused him; making him second guess who he was since he didn't understand how he could love Anna so much and yet, have an affair with such an awful women. People should work on being so close-minded and look at other facts. This movie is ambiguous and I can see how people could lean either way, but for the original poster to claim he is right when he didn't write the movie and therefore, couldn't know for sure is narcissism at its best.

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i kinda think that if he was reincarnated as sean would he still remember the evils of his past or would he actually remember the good, the one he truely fell in love with(ana)the first time. even though she (clara) believes he loved her more thats why he gave her the letters doesnt really prove anything because sometime thats what guys do to keep ass around and if he really loved her he would of left ana no questions asked. i think seans brother knew about clara and sean escapades and when com fronted with the idea that sean could possibly be back in his life he took the one opportunity to deny that he brother could possibly be that little boy, hoping that ana would beleive him and turn the kid away thus hoping his cheating wife would believe him also and not pursue the boy. i dont know just what i was thinking

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Clifford is/was not Sean's brother in the movie.


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"I refuse to allow Clara to bully me into believing that Sean loved her more."

Ditto :)

She certainly doesn't act like someone who's 'certain' that she was big Sean's 'true love'. 10yrs after the fact, she's as deep in neurosis as Anna is when it comes to Sean. The only 'genuine' thing that comes across from her is her jealousy of/hostility towards Anna. That's it. What does that 'prove'? Nothing conclusive and certainly nothing definitive.

So many people refer to the letters as 'proof' that Sean loved Clara more than Anna. She buried those letters, indeed, but we are given NOTHING in the way of proof when it comes to the question of how she got the letters. One can happily assume that everything she says is absolute truth and decide that everything is quite simple and clear-cut, but thanks to Anne Heche's stellar acting (and the direction), some of us are left with the feeling that something isn't quite right/pure about her intentions ~ I don't know about you, but her comment to little Sean that she "would have been open to exploring things" with him (suggesting she'd be open to some kind of 'affair' with this 10yr old boy) made my skin crawl.

So many people focus on Anna's 'state of mind' and her painfully obvious struggle with the idea/possibility that her husband is inhabiting the body of a child, questioning her sanity and more pointedly, her sense of morality ~ yet, Clara seems to have NO such 'struggle'. She makes it quite clear that she's ready to 'be' with Sean......even if that means having a romantic relationship with a child.

Anna's having a moral crisis about it, and Clara's attitude is 'let's go'.

And we're supposed to invest all of our trust and hang the ENTIRE crux of the story on this actively 'ready' potential pedophile?

Sorry, but nothing definite/unequivocal comes from Clara, including her possession of the letters.

If the director wanted to leave NO doubt that Clara was Sean's true love, he could have done so very easily. But he didn't.

Quite brilliant actually :)

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exploring doesn't mean a romantic realtionship neccesarily, it could have been goig to a pschyciatrist or something. Why would you think she would instantly hop in to a relationship? I thought it had to do about research...

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sorry NO!! it was shown in the way that she reached out and placed her hand on him! It was THAT act that showed the sexual nature of her comment ..NAIVE NAIVE!!

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What?

Clara bullies who, you? Dead Sean gave letters to people?

Your post makes no sense at all.

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i agree with you andro21.

however, for me, this movie is more about anna, and less about sean. if we put aside the validity of sean for a moment, this movie is an accurate illustration of the human emotion of grief, pain and denial. anna has been in mourning for 10 years - unable to move on with her life/relationsips etc. anna had been refusing her second husbands proposal for a while before she accepts. She 'died' when her husband died. so, when boy sean comes back - she feels alive. of course, in her heart, anna does know that this little boy is not sean - but she is willing to accept the absurd.

this movie shows us the devastation of grief and mourning if left untreated. if anna had been able to address her husbands death over the decade, perhaps she would have rejected the boys story.

in essence, the boy (in my opinon) is symbolic of anna's emotions of grief, denial and anger etc (at god/world or whatever has taken her husband away). therefore it doesnt matter if he exists or not. it is also interesting to note that the boy 'appears' when she is about to get married. ie - somewhere inside her heart, she still thinks of herself as married to dead sean. - he is somehow still alive to her.

nicole kidman portrays this superbly as someone who is still so engulfed with grief after all these years, that the irrational can seem rational.

audiences got caught up with the sean character and missed the essence of the movie. i really believe that this is nicole kidman at her best. but this movie will unfortunately go down in cinematic history as a failure.

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Did I actually see this scene?: After boy-Sean and Clara get together at her new location, Clara tells him, "I'm your mother!"
I took that to mean that Clara gave birth to boy-Sean's fantasy of thinking that he is the reincarnation of dead-Sean because of his having seen the undelivered gift of the love letters.

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Mystify2006 writes:

".. this movie shows us the devastation of grief and mourning if left untreated. if anna had been able to address her husbands death over the decade, perhaps she would have rejected the boys story.."


That is how I've described the film to friends. It's more about the power of grief, how strung out the mind can become than it is about a little boy's elaborate 'prank'. (Young) Sean manages to pull off this game, by first finding the letters, using his own imagination and obsessing over the idea of his 'find', and how he can be somebody else..that it makes everyone question what's real.
The interesting idea is that he's an intense little boy playing with an already fragile woman's heart.

I am wondering about a few things: Do we know who Zoe Caldwell's character is? Is she Lauren Bacall's lover? ( There is never any mention of Anna or Laura's father, as well)... and if she is the one who told Anna there is no Santa, does Sean guess that by seeing a photo among the letters?
" Who told me there was no Santa Claus?"
" I'll know her when I see her"

* Assuming that it's NOT a film about reincarnation, but rather about the power of grief, I wonder how young Sean could have known where Sean died---ten years earlier. That information couldn't have been in the letters.
Is it possible he asked his friend, the doorman? Who else would provide more info in passing, to the young boy? That's the only factual way young Sean could have gotten THAT particular information.
Any thoughts?

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For a 10 year old boy...he's quite the little theatrical genius to pull of the stunt he did. No way. He was possessed by Sean's spirit or was the man himself reincarnate. 10 year old boys don't fall in love, they have crushes.

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<<I am wondering about a few things: Do we know who Zoe Caldwell's character is? Is she Lauren Bacall's lover?>>

This is what I came on here to find out. At first, I assumed she was an aunt, but then at the wedding scene, it seems clear from the intimate kiss and loving look... It's just a bit odd that they don't make that clearer earlier in the film. She must have been quite an old friend, given that she's the one who spoiled Santa for young Anna -- I'd like to know more about that backstory.

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yes my thoughts are that it IS sean reincarnated and that is THAT !! The letters thing has NOTHING to do with him playing a prank!! That is a patently absurd idea cooked up in the heads of peope who are too stupid to understand the REALITY of the spirit and the FACTs the empirically proven FACTS about past lives!! There is NO way he would have known that, and then he described it to Joseph as deja-vu.
Can you answer me why if he was NOT sean would he have gone out to follow Clara in the first place if he did not recognize her now that he was remembering his past life. why the hell do you think that the director showed the scene of his birth immediately after Sean's death?? For no reason at all?? it was the visualization of the SOUL coming into a new physical body!!!

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Go gargle Sean's testicles, you retard. Don't pursue your perverted agenda without any facts whatsoever.

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EXACTLY!!!!

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Mystify2006, very well said - I just made a similar comment in another thread. I completely agree with your analysis.

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thanks! great minds think alike...!

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Clifford was not Sean's brother. Also, the doctors could not tell what was wrong with the boy because the boy never told anyone about the letters he read and carried with him. Only Clara knew the boy opened and read the letters (which is why he says "don't tell Anna" when he sees Clara went back to the park to look for the letters).


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Honestly, that explanation makes the movie so ridiculous. Read my explanation and watch it again from that viewpoint and you'll see that everything lines up. Of course he was Sean. Otherwise, it was just stupid.

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If you get really deep into an Abnormal Psych book this is referred to as 'folie a' deaux' or a psychotic relation between two people. The kid is damaged by some unknown trauma and assumes another's identity because his own is inferior. The lady sucks into it and lets herself be carried away by the delusion of the kid.
Doesn't happen every day but it's theatrical when it happens.

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wow. definately one of those movies that mess with your mind. awesome acting.

i must say that my opinion on the whole argument "it was sean; it wasn't sean." is quite heated, lol. i personally think *beep* i don't know for sure; i'm indeifferent. im open to both of the possibilites.

other than that, i loved the movie.

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Forgive, but the reincarnation interpretation doesn't make sense, wheras the messed-up-kid one does (just!) Andro21 pretty much nails it - my wife and I didn't even think the ending could possibly be ambiguous. If small Sean was big Sean, he really would have gone to Clara, and that's that really.

Oddly though, we had a different interpretation on the very ending. We kinda thought the implication was that Anna suddenly clicked regarding the only possible meaning of Sean's line "I love you, I'm not Sean" line. She figured out her marriage to Sean was a sham, and she was compelled to go back to the beach... and now it meant nothing. Admitedly we couldn't think of a trigger to make her figure this out, but figured this was an attempt on the part of the filmmakers to be real rather than movieish, since people figure stuff out out-of-the-blue all the time. Hmm, will double post this on the ending thread!

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"If small Sean was big Sean, he really would have gone to Clara, and that's that really."


I have to respectfully completely disagree with the 'and that's that' part of that statement.

How do you (or anybody) know he 'really would have gone to Clara'? We know absolutely nothing firsthand from big Sean about his feelings for the two women involved.

All we 'know' is what Clara offers, and I for one simply don't accept everything she says as absolute fact. I realize some viewers do, but I'm not one of them.

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Even if you don't believe everything Clara says, the viewers see she is in possession of the unopened letters. At the very least, it says Sean was unfaithful to Anna and did not reciprocate her love for him. That's a given. Second, the fact the boy kept these letters a secret from Anna meant he was lying. Third, the fact he only started behaving strangely after he read the letters - this coming from his parents' reactions to how bizarre the kid was behaving. Fourth, he recalled nothing about nuclear physics even though at one time or another he must've seen mathematics which - if he was the nuclear scientist that he purported to be - would've done with ease i.e. this kid would be near-genius level, yet we see he goes to fourth grade. Fifth, after the kid is confronted with the truth, he doesn't retort or defend himself, but, instead, we see him try to snatch the letters back and run away; this is counter-intuitive to "telling the truth." These are the things we know first hand because we are shown time and time again. Whereas, there is nothing to show the kid is the reincarnation of a dead man.

People who misinterpret that aspect of the movie tend to overlook the obvious and paste a lot of their own ideas onto it. Let's say the kid is reincarnated. One, it's gotta be shown in the movie. In this instance, the boy only says he is. So he says, "I'm a dead guy." A part of the audience says, "Bullsh!t." The other part says, "Whoa! You are a dead guy." Not only is he a dead guy, but he also happens to be reincarnated in the body of a boy who, coincidentally, spends time at the apt building his ex-wife lives at because his father happens to tutor someone there. Not only is he reincarnated, but now he also doesn't remember every aspect of his former life, although there is no evident reason as to WHY he wouldn't recall his past life since - uh - he spent a whole other lifetime (40 years? 50 years?) doing these things: He doesn't remember his wife, he doesn't remember his mistress, he doesn't remember his job, he doesn't remember his family, he doesn't remember his social security ID number, etc, etc, etc, and on, and on, and on. So, really, what DOES the kid remember? He "remembers" having sex on the green couch. He "remembers" teaching about "splitting the atom" at the hospital (what kind of "hospital" is this?!). He "remembers" his brother-in-law's wife couldn't have a kid. Oh, and how he knew where Anna's husband died and who told her that Santa did not exist is a total sign he was the dead guy because - as we are all aware - knowing these two trivial things are symbols of reincarnation. Nevermind that throughout the entirety of the movie he dodged questions, he remained silent, he never offered any solid proof he was who he said he was. All he did was say, "I'm a dead guy"... and some people believe him on that alone.



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Ok, I'm a little late.... I just saw the movie tonight and it was rather confusing.

Aside from the obvious debate... and maybe I'm just a little dense, but who was Clifford to Anna and what was Clara's relationship to him? At first I thought Clifford was her old therapist and maybe Clara was his wife?? Then I started to think that maybe he was some sort of psychic something or another. Either way, Clara obviously wasn't his wife. She had her own place. Who he was to Anna was never clarified, but obviously important, and his relationship to Clara wasn't clear either.

I'm so confused by this movie... so much of it was so vague.



(OK, after reading some stuff I remember that Clifford was Sean's best man. It is still strange that both he and Clara were always together and at the begining of the movie when Anna said it had been so long since seeing him he said that was "good")

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I totally agree with nuwavghost .He must be aware of the principles of storytelling.
Nice analysis.

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Reincarnated Sean didn't 'remember' Clara because she wasnt worth remembering, that's why. She was just circumstantial in his previous life and when he came back the second time round, he knew what was real and what was not and his love for his wife was real and everlasting. His love for her was eternal and stayed vivid in his soul even after death, the afterlife and reincarnation.
Clara's claims that 'he would have come to me not her' were just her vain attempts at trying to rectify an unrequited love that she had for Sean. Yeah he slept with her, but he didn't truly love her, and this burned her deeply.
Especially when she saw that he didn't even remember her and the reason he didn't is because he only remembered what mattered and she never did.

I think the letters refreshed his memory, kind of like looking at long forgotten childhood photos from many years ago. He had been through death and reincarnation, his memory wasn't going to be 100% now was it??


That's my interpretation of it :-)

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If his love was so " eternal" why didn't he opened her letters ?




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Why wouldn't it be 100%? There is no manual or strict rules about reincarnation that say one is not going to remember everything. And if not remembering past events is what reincarnation entails, then one could suppose any kid in the building can say they're Anna's dead husband... and it must be so because they say so... and their reincarnation requires no clear, rational proof.

1. The kid doesn't remember Clara and that Anna's husband was unfaithful: Anna's husband did not love Clara, but he also did not love Anna. So, why would his reincarnation love one over the other?

2. The kid "remembers" what he used to do for a living and, yet, he goes to a regular 4th grade class.

3. How come the little kid wasn't remembering he was a dead guy prior to opening the letters, reading them, and seeing the photographs included? His parents denote a radical change in the little kid's behaviour after he read the letters and saw the photographs.


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I agree with you whole-heartedly !!! Bravo for your insight and comprehension!!
I completely agree with the Clara angle as well!! NO *beep* way he was NOT sean reincarnated.. NO WAY AT ALL!! There is undeniable evidence regarding that question!! I see that these poor lost souls who are somehow AFRAID or UNABLE to wrap their heads around the FACT, and I do mean the FACT that reincarnation has been empirically proven time and time again at this point, and I think that there is a reason for that BTW, we are meant to learn this about ourselves and our spirits at this point in the history of humanity... but that is a discussion for a different blog now isn't it!! anyways..good job, you GET IT!!

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I am sorry buddy but you are a shallow thinker, even if sharp about some things I find it interesting that you cannot do better then to simply DISMISS the BIGGEST proofs of his PARTIAL remembering of his past life!! Shown with consummate skill by the director, in his coaching the expressions and the subtle body-language displayed by Sean when he first walks into the place. The fact that he is named Sean in this life COULD be partially responsible for his recollecting the past life. also the fact of the sheer coincidence of his father tutoring in his old building as well!!! You don't realize that it is when his friend is calling for him to come downstairs to go to school that we first see him experiencing the intense memories about Anna!! Perhaps it is the writers interpretation that reincarnation and past life memories often surface in this vague and HAZY manner!! You are so out to lunch when you say that he would have to remember EVERYTHING! You are obtuse and you are missing the SUBTLE beauty of the directors vision on how this *beep* could go down!! He answers all the questions CORRECT! did you not understand that?? Bob begins to go to turn the recorder off when he answers his request for an intimate detail by saying that "we did it on your couch", but he adds, "the green one" and we see Bob's face express shock at the UNEXPLAINABLE fact that he knows that!! I do NOT buy It for a second that Anna would have written that the couch was green in one of the letters!!! So there goes your WHOLE THESIS my man!!! better luck next time!!

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right on!! I am with you 100%!! I do not buy it for a second that he would HAVE to love her more (or even at all) by giving her the letters unopened! Why did he need to open them in the first place since he was married to her? And secondly when are they from in the timeline of their relationship?? Are they love-letters from their courtship? or are they affirmations of a happy marraige? I mean he was probably just using them to shine clara on in my opinion, and you would have thought that Anna would have talked to him about the content of the letters regardless of at which point they were written, so what is up with that?

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Yes, because the only logical explanation here is that he most definitely loved Clara more than his wife and yet she was so utterly consumed with jealousy over Anna due to Sean's refusal to leave his wife that this makes absolute perfect sense; not!!! How do we know that Sean didn't actually read the letters from Anna and then put them in new envelopes or why couldn't he have just done this because the crazy, insecure women he was having an affair with demanded proof he loved her and he wanted her to keep giving him the one thing he wanted from her; sex!! I'm sure no man in history has ever done something like this just to get laid or to continue getting laid. If he wanted to be with Clara she was more than willing to be with him and since Anna and Sean had no children, there would have been nothing holding him back from leaving Anna for Clara if he truly loved her, period!! Clara was an awful human being who was so pathetic, she was willing to give the letters to Anna 10 years after Sean's death just so she could feel a sense of pride by hurting another women to make herself feel better. If she knew Sean truly loved her, that would have been enough. She never would need to stoop so low just to have validation of that love. I believe the ending on the beach was Anna realizing she made a mistake by marrying Joseph because she was still in love with Sean and I believe that after she read his letter where he wrote "see you in another life" she knew it was truly her Sean, but that the timing was obviously not right. Furthermore, the younger Sean was not malicious in any way and seemed to genuinely love Anna, so I do not believe it was a prank. He simply in his ten year old mind couldn't fathom the concept of infidelity and even as a child couldn't understand how if he was Sean and loved Anna, how he could sleep with someone else. Maybe his being reincarnated into someone who was able to reach Anna was his way of trying to atone for his affair and the mistakes he made with Clara. I believe the reason he followed Clara in the first place was because he had an unexpected urge to do so, one that couldn't be explained. Maybe subconsciously he did know her and knew what she was burying. If it were a prank, I doubt the child, who seemed wise beyond his years, would have been so distraught by the revelation of the affair. In addition to these things, there were way too many other things that I believe were significantly overlooked. For instance, the scene in the beginning of baby Sean being born as the other Sean is dying is a powerful scene, which for me, proves it is truly her husband reincarnated. Also, the younger Sean just knowing where the older Sean died further supports this theory. Everyone keeps saying "if it were the real Sean, he would remember everything from the old Sean's life" this is not true, especially in stories of people claiming reincarnation. These people usually describe it as a deja vu type feeling with fuzzy memories and yet they state other memories are as clear as crystal. Seeing as the child would have memories of both lives, I'm sure it was both confusing and overwhelming for a ten-year old boy. Also, he wouldn't remember everything, but more so things that were the most significant for him, which Clara obviously was not. I truly believe Sean was the reincarnation on her husband and I think they both knew that in the end. Since the original Sean was a man of science not believing in the soul or life after death and yet, was reincarnated, I believe the "I'll see you in another life" was very significant as he was acknowledging that they were truly soul mates and nothing, not even death, could keep them apart.

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Thank you for some great information Andro21. I read this thread and I think there is some very good (and not so good) insight to a movie that leaves us with questions.

I can speculate forever about the young Sean being real or not, but I think that the memories may have been the fond or positive memories of the original Sean, specifically his love for Anna. I don't think it was just a matter of coming back with memories fully intact, or reincarnation. Could it be that the original Sean had regrets when he died? The regrets manifested not into a ghostly form, but stray memories that found a willing host in a boy that may have been willing to accept them because of his state of mind, or willingness to accept them.

I don't think it is a given that Sean would have returned to Clara, if he truly had regrets. His true love for Anna or his shame for betraying the woman he loved in life was too overwhelming. Because he truly loved Anna, he did not tell her of his betrayal. This fact would have only hurt her. I lean toward this young Sean being a representation of the original Sean's memories, love and regrets.

I enjoyed the movie, but can see why it never caught my eye at the theater. It was worth my time to watch.

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How does the kid know where Sean died? That's a question that needs to be answered before we can put the reincarnation idea aside.

And how does he know who Clifford is when he sees, runs, and hugs him?








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"All we 'know' is what Clara offers, and I for one simply don't accept everything she says as absolute fact. I realize some viewers do, but I'm not one of them."

I agree-Clara was messed up. I think she very well might have just been jealous and said that to make herself feel better.

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I'd like to react to everything that was said in this very long debate:) I respect both camps' opinions, but I personally support the view that the movie was meant to be ambiguous. Many things point to the fact that the kid was a liar and was not Sean (this is the version our human mind could accept more easily) but certain happenings in the movie seem to disprove the "lying kid version", things that he simply could not have known... Let me add one more thought: "Birth" focuses on the topic of reincarnation,that's pretty clear. Well, supposing it were possible for us to be born again, suppose it IS happening in fact, would we remember anything from our past life??? Probably not. Hence the kid's confusion about certain events that had occured before. But it would not be unthinkable to say that his love for his "wife" is one of the few things he DOES remember because the feeling is so strong and important to him. And btw, are we offered any evidence that Clara was telling the truth??? What if SHE were the one lying??? I mean, maybe the kid read those letters and made up the Sean identity, but then again, by reading those letters, he did not automatically prove that he is NOT Sean,did he??? Even a reborn Sean might have become curious about the content of the letters etc... So my point is: I don't think one can be 100% sure of either version, be it the lying kid or the rebirth...

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all y'all ni***s is CA-RAZZZZY!

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lol what was that all about??:))))did you post for the wrong movie???:))) what does this have to do with ni***s??? lool

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Sorry, I meant nillas...

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Dude honestly thank you!I saw this last night.....I gotta tell you I did *not* understand anything!I mean fuq...was he sean? wasnt he sean? ...was clara lying?..I actually came on this thread to find out if someone could explain it to me.So thank you,makes alot of sense now.

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I also thank everyone in this thread. And came on this thread for the exact same reason as d_dreambabe as having watched it last night as well. I enjoyed the movie, despite its ambiguity.

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Well, I'm glad there are people who have accepted the ambiguity of the movie... I think it was intended to be that way,and I personally find a lot of the debate on which version/interpretation is the correct one to be absolutely pointless... The fact that there are 2 camps arguing which interpretation is more valid is only proof that the movie's ambiguity is extremely effective:) greetings to MovieAndMusicFreak and DreamBabe

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I think Nicole/Anna said something like "Clifford wants to speak with you" before Young Sean ran to him. Not 100% sure and can't sit thru it again to find out.

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I think Nicole/Anna said something like "Clifford wants to speak with you" before Young Sean ran to him. Not 100% sure and can't sit thru it again to find out.



Actually, Clifford was talking to Anna in the kitchen when Sean walked into the hall behind him. After Clifford turned around and Sean saw his face, young Sean ran to Clifford and hugged him. So there really wasn't anything in that scene that would have tipped young Sean off as to who Clifford was before he saw him.

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I think, as stated by someone else above, that the film is about grief when it is left unprocessed, and thus fundamentally about Anna.

That being said, I left the film without any unanswered questions, because for my part I didn't believe what Anne Heche's character said at all. I think he was the 'reincarnation' of Sean and that Heche's character was a jilted lover who wanted Sean but either never got him or only got him once, perhaps a brief affair, for example. Thus, when Heche doesn't believe it's Sean, it's because she doesn't want to believe that her unrequited love for him wasn't returned.

Now, I have no interest in going through the movie with a fine-tooth comb and supporting it with every line. Logic is something I look for in logic quizes, not movies. I prefer my movies as whole experiences, not logic games, so I don't actually care whether my opinion is right or holds up, because it's the idea or experience that came to me while watching the movie, and at the end of the movie this opinion wrapped up the emotional experience of the film for me, case closed.

Andro21's approach is perfectly fine too, and I'm sure stands up far better. All I'm saying is this is that seeing Heche's character as a jilted lover who lied to the new Sean (and the audience) is what flashed into my mind while watching the film, not something I worked out after, and if it adds to anyone's experience, well, here it is along with all the other theories.

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I agree that you can't make this movie black and white - there's too much gray. It pushes the willing suspension of disbelief, for sure. That being said - does anyone else think that maybe Sean's soul is wandering until he makes right the wrong he's done to Anna. That maybe when his spirit enters this boy's body and he reads Anna's letters and meets her anew that he sees whatever he saw in her in the happy days before the supposed affair with Clara? And by giving love back to her he's actually giving himself peace, too? That's why he would say that he loves Anna - not Clara. Maybe it's symbolic of the realization that he truly does love Anna and is finally telling the truth.

And the symbolism of Sean's "reincarnation" in this young, innocent boy and his pure love of Anna is a symbolic reincarnation of the beginning of their relationship - the BIRTH of their love. The BIRTH of the truth. Etc, etc. etc. All the other symbolism that can be tied into that idea. If this is the case, then when the boy reads that letters - it would also be Sean reading the letters for the first time.

I believe the movie is a metaphor about the purity of love and is being compared to the purity and innocence of childhood. This movie, at least to me, is about the cleansing of the soul of this supposed sin against love. And it definitely leaves it open that there may not have been love for Clara - whether there was an acutal affair or not.

I like to believe that this idea - paired with Anna's grief - is actually a very hopeful movie instead of the bleak depression-fest that someone people have made it.

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When Sean dies, in the opening, we see the new birth immediately.

We find out that he's been seeing a therapist for a while before he ever confronts Anna.

This is pure speculation, but he may have needed the letters to give the reincarnated part of him a jolt.

At the end, he tells Anna in a letter that maybe we'll see each other in another lifetime. (hint)

The fact that he didn't remember Clara could have been because: how do we know how much memory is retained in reincarnation?

My interpretation of the bathtub scene where he tells Anna, "I'm not Sean" "Because I love you." Is that he doesn't want to ruin her feelings for him by finding out about the affair, so he's forcing her away from him by saying it was all a lie.

This is just one way of looking at it. The director/writers obviously didn't want it to be cut and dried.

Did anyone else notice that only Anna and Sean had any color in their eyes? Eveyone had dark brown, almost black, eyes. Plus, the sets were always in shades of brown and beige. Except for some green wallpaper in the dining room.

Another note: Sean dug-up the letters from the ground. Maybe some symbolism to digging-up the past or a dead person?

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I just saw the movie yesterday, and believe the premise of the movies is that Sean was the reincarnation of the first Sean. No one has yet to explain how he knew the exact location of where Sean had died. What are the odds of him guessing this? A trillion to one?

I find the whole letter business bizzare. Husbands and wives don't normally write letters to each other. Were they separated at that point? Was he out of town? If she wrote these letters to him before they were married, and he didn't love her, why did he marry her? The whole idea of the unopened love letters doesn't make any sense.

I think it makes sense that Sean wouldn't remember his mistress if he had unresolved feelings of guilt over the affair. It could have been something he didn't want to remember or couldn't deal with. If reincarnation was true, it would make sense that people wouldn't remember all of their past lives at once.

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What is more feasible: the kid being a dead guy or the kid discovering Sean's place of death by asking the doorman, looking it up at the library through old papers, etc? The odds suddenly start stacking up against the kid being a dead guy. Pray tell, what are the odds of being reincarnated into a little boy and then, 10 years later, coming upon your former wife because you happened to be reincarnated to a boy who also happens to live nearby. What are the odds the reincarnated person remembers everything from their past life as opposed to not remembering squat (as in the case of the boy not remembering anything about Sean's life)? Sean wouldn't remember his mistress? Then how do you account for the boy seeing Clara bury the letters in the park and then him digging up the letters, opening them, and reading them? Didn't it ever occur to "Sean" (if, the boy happened to be the dead guy) what the strange lady might be doing with all this correspondence. After all, these letters were from Anna to Sean. Didn't he ever wonder what this strange lady might be doing with them? See, now you gotta plot hole to the whole "it was reincarnated Sean" thing.

In the movie, they explain Sean traveled a lot, which is how they established the idea of Anna sending correspondence to him. The fact is, the letters were unopened. The boy opened them. The director shows us this. Not only that, but the director intentionally had the boy keep these letters a secret from Anna and everyone else. Keeping the letters a secret = lies. Ergo, the boy was lying to Anna and everyone about being a dead guy.


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Nuwavghost, we're talking about the movies, here. I ask you if it's feasible for a young man to be bitten by a spider and suddenly assume superhuman qualities. Is it feasible that a bunch of snakes would assault and terrorize passengers on an airplane? Is it feasible that aliens would come to Earth and blow up the White House? Any story can be told through film; that's the beauty of it. It's entirely possible within the context of this narrative that Sean had been reincarnated.

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I didn't say feasible in real life. I meant feasible within the confines of the movie. If the kid is the dead guy, then I could also claim he walks through walls and can fly and has psychic powers and is indestructible. After all, none of this is shown in the movie just as the idea of reincarnation is not shown in the movie.


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Nobody is saying Little Sean is the Dead Guy (like a ghost who can walk through walls), they're saying he's another kid entirely who may be the reincarnation of the Older Sean. If reincarnation does, in fact, happen, one wouldn't return as the same being, but as a different being with the spirit or soul or whatever transferred to this new body. IF that is possible, I think it's valid to assume that any lingering memories that DID make it through this transfer would be muddy, and mixed with the new person's memories.

Also, there is not a scene where we see little Sean opening and reading the letters. Once again, all we have to go by is Clara and we really don't know how reliable she is. If the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, then we could certainly take Clara's explanation at face value. But, to me, nothing about this movie is a straight line, and I tend to side with the he-IS-Sean theory and that Clara is sketchy at best (though, well-played by Heche).

How About This:
Clifford helped Anna get rid of alot of Sean's stuff back when she was grieving and (since he clearly has his own thing for Anna, as well as a fond love/respect for his friend, Sean) he decides to keep all these letters. Then, Clara finds them and buries them because she loved Sean but never did anything about it (just as Clifford loves Anna, but never did anything about it) and she doesn't want them around. Later, she tells little Sean all this stuff about how she'd been Sean's Lover (which she could've fabricated out of jealousy). Little Sean is unsure how to fight back at this woman because the adults would most certainly believe her over him, and thus he decides to push Anna away because he's causing more problems for her than he is love.

At the end, as Anna and Little Sean are both having their photos taken, Little Sean is growing up and, perhaps, has been forced to repress more and more of those memories that would've been so fresh upon birth, where as Anna is still completely stuck with the thought that it COULD'VE been him and that she may never recover from that or Sean's death...

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That doesn't make any sense. There is nothing in the movie which would suggest that reincarnation is "not remembering squat about your past life" in order to see that the boy was a bona fide reincarnation of the dead guy. For all we know, reincarnation could mean "remembering every aspect of your past life."


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I've read all your posts against the child being a reincarnate of Anna's husband, but in some of the early posts somebody made a great point. Why, how, would a 10 year old boy come up with such an elaborate scheme? She asks him while they are eating ice cream "How would you satisfy my needs?" He replied appropriately, "I know what you are talking about." How would a 10 year old boy know what she was insinuating there. Sex embarrasses children that age. They usually smile or blush or giggle when things of a sexual nature are brought up..but not this child. Ok, you will probably go back and say the letters contained content of a sexual nature and that's how he knew. He acted sophisticated, just like Anna's family, not like his family. Why then is the movie called "Birth"?...and Why does the child say, in his last letter, "Maybe we'll see each other again, in another lifetime." Why was he so compelled to follow some stranger carrying a gift out of an apartment building? How mentally advanced do you think a 10 year old boy, with average parents (they were portrayed as totally blue collar, regular people opposed to the ritzy Kidman character)really is? Someone else pointed out that 10 year old's have crushes, not intense love affairs. They don't have marriage on their minds. Also, remember what he says to his mother? "I'm not your STUPID son anymore." Obviously he was more educated than his parents ever were and NO he couldn't just go get a job "splitting atoms" he was a 10 year old boy. His stoic manner, his seriousness, the way he touched her face when he kissed her in addition to all the other things I mentioned above lead me to think he was her husband and YES to all the other posters, this movie is also about grief and how it can "bleep" with your mind. Everyone here has had excellent points on both sides, but after reading all of it and watching the film a few times I can't believe anything but that the child was somehow her dead husband. I apologize for my lack of formatting. These were just thoughts flowing out of my head and I had to write it this way.

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I don't think you are familiar with how a ten year old boy's mind works. If you did, that would come as no surprise to you.

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I don't think you are familiar with how a ten year old boy's mind works. If you did, that would come as no surprise to you.


Well, I know quite a few 10 year old boys and none of them act the way Sean acted. And certainly none of them would have casually answered Anna's question about satisfying her needs with, "I know what you're talking about" followed by "You would be my first". Or undressed and join some strange woman naked in a bathtub. That's highly unusual behavior...even for a sophisticated 10 year old.

And pretending to be some stranger's dead husband reincarnated is quite an elaborate ruse for an adult to play just for sh!ts and giggles...let alone a 10 year old.

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You've never lived in the city....pass on that comment. Not a dumb comment. But really.



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Thank you, thank you, thank you!! The movie is called "Birth". The husband died and we are led to believe the baby was born at that same moment. Did anyone notice they type of birth it was. It was a water birth, hence, the tub scene in the end where the child recants his story as for the reason the above person states and I will add that maybe he didn't think he deserved her love after what he had done which is why he would say he wasn't Sean, because Anna obviously loved her husband immensely and the child Sean who really was her husband saw this and was overwhelmed by guilt. Also the way he submerged himself under water, in my opinion, goes back to the original birth. The other comments above are totally sensible too. Clara was obviously a jilted lover. Why would he have gone and hugged his friend/best man? He knew the maid's name, nobody mentioned that. And the final line of the movie.."Maybe we'll see each other in another lifetime." The box of letters was a twist to make us think and wonder like we all are, but after watching this a few times, the little boy had to be a reincarnate, soul, whatever you want to call it of Anna's husband. Good movie. I think the average movie watcher probably didn't get most of it and were most likely appalled by the intimate, yet tasteful, scenes between Anna and the little boy. I watched this on Netflix for the second time and the low ratings are totally undeserved. This was a great film and everyone...well almost everyone here made some excellent points for both sides. I love this website and I love movies and I appreciate all of you for actually thinking..not just watching.

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My feeling was that what Clara said was probably true, for the most part. I got the feeling that Sean really was a jerk, and was callously cheating on his wife, but that she never had any idea, so was still very much in love with him. This adds immensely to the sadness of the story. I believe the boy was just a bit messed up, got caught up in the romance of the story told in the letters, but then gets a shock when he finds out that what he got caught up in was so much more complicated and sordid than he realized. I think it was a sad life lesson, for a lonely, imaginative boy. He thought he was doing something pure and romantic, only to find out what horrible, hurtful people adults can be. And then because of it, he was forced to end things, hurting Anna, even though he never wanted to do that.

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One of the best replies on the board for this movie. That right there is really what the movie was about.

Many will continue to believe that's the boy is a reincarnation.


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Finally someone gets it! All these deluded people in this thread are reading way too much (and in the wrong direction) into the movie. Sure, the connotations are open for subjective interpretation, but as far as the facts of the movie go, you are spot on.
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Yeah, he explained it from a close-minded perspective and couldn't even answer some of the questions that were asked of him. I guess because he sides with you though, the rest of us and the majority at that are deluded!!! Maybe you two aren't getting the movie and are reading too much into it. Maybe the Fact that he is the reincarnation of Sean is pretty clear, but you're too deluded to see what's right in front of your face.

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well this was a good synopsis. i had some questions but u've explained the movie well. i like to think the boy was really sean and clara just scared him off and mde him question it himself. but i guess what u say makes sense. i felt bad for anna in the end though, and the boy. it was a great movie though.

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I think also that the kid WAS Sean. I knew from that point where Sean`s forgotten lover stepped in that the movie was going to end the way it did. But until that it was very good movie. If it would have been an Swedish or Dutch movie it would have ended otherwise- kid turns 16 they get happily married Hurray! Or at least it woul`d not have been so obvious.

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I saw the ending as this. The boy was partially Sean reincarnated, maybe personality and memories? although the boy was still there (hence the playing, and wanting to do childlike things.) It was sort of like the boy was BOTH people, the little boy Sean with the adult Sean thrown in.

I think in the bathtub the adult Sean felt guilty about cheating and realized a ten year old boy and an adult woman just wasn't going to work. I think to keep Anna from being hurt even more, he knew he had to let her go.

His mistress knew he wasn't lying and really was Sean when she went back to get the letters that were buried and then finding them gone, that's why she told Sean her hands were dirty, and why Sean said "Please don't tell Anna." Whether the adult Sean was still with the boy is hard to say. Part of him must have stayed since the child still has feelings and memories. A very good movie in my opinion.

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That's a possibility I didn't think of, but it still doesn't explain how he knew where Shawn died, or how he recognized his brother if the kid had never seen him before.

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Okay so how did he know where Sean died?

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he could've found it in old papers or heard it from the doorman.
He was a very intelligent little boy...

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Ok, lots of good posts/thoughts in this thread. I wanted to add one question to the mix though - how seriously messed up does a 10 year old boy need to be to suddenly tell his mom that he is not her son anymore? By doing this, the boy knows that he is voluntarily cutting himself off from what appears to be a loving family. The movie makes no attempt to show a reason for such a dramatic psychosis (other than reincarnation).

I get much more hung up on that question as opposed to the question of how he knew where he died. The voluntary break from his family is the reason I lean towards reincarnation. Also, it would take one really ballsy 10 year old to get naked and jump into a tub with a woman he didn't know.

Of course I also realize that both things I have pointed to could simply be indications of how deeply messed up this kid is....

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he could've found it in old papers or heard it from the doorman.
He was a very intelligent little boy...


He could have, but how would he know to ask someone or look it up? And the original Sean died 10 years ago. Who says that the doorman would have been around back then to know what happened to him? Young Sean wouldn't have known from the letters that the original Sean was dead to begin with. So if he simply just read the letters, he still wouldn't have known that the guy that Anna was writing to is dead. So what would compel him to do some research about where original Sean died?

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Since his father was a tutor in the building where Anna lived, he likely saw her there frequently, especially because he was always in the lobby. He grew some infatuation with her for whatever reason and began searching for details about this woman. He found out her name, her fiance's name, her dead husband's name, and other small details about her life. The obvious coincidences with regards to his age and the passing of Sean both being ten years, and the fact that he has the same name as Anna's husband led the boy to, obviously as the result of some mental issue, believe that he was in fact her dead husband. Once he obtained the letters from Clara and could provide details about Sean's life with Anna, he could convincingly make it seem like he was in fact reincarnated.

And to the posters that are stuck on the fact that the kid might still have some memories of Sean, ask yourselves this: without all of your memories, who are you?

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