My God This Is Crap!!


Having read Andy Mcnabs - Bravo Two Zero, and Chris Ryans - The One That Got Away, i became fascinated with the SAS so i thaught i'd watch this, but oh my god it is a disgrace, i watched the first 15 minutes of season 3, seen the supposed "SAS" soldiers running about with their 203's at the waist shooting away and thought jesus this is a mockery of the SAS.

Before you all reply crying about "its only a tv programme" i know that but it still remians that this is not an accurate representation of the how the SAS would go about their business.

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but unless a show is a documentary nothing can be called a accurate representation . sure im not going to give my opinion on it casue i think its kinda funny but they must have some kinda of weapons expert on set.

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hey, you should actually watch series one and series two. The one hour format meant the storytelling was better, and also Chris Ryan was a consultant on both of the series, so it was more realistic.

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S1&2 are far better this series they are just using the fights a fillers.

I also think that becasue they have had to extend it they are using far more adverts than they really need to, so rather than the aired90min its taken down to about 70 if that.

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Firstly yes, I agree. There is far too much shooting from the hip given the circumstances.

But actually SAS members are trained to fire from the hip in case covering fire is not available.

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Fair views everyone, cheers for the responses

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Andertonreport - that makes you sound like you're saying multi-ethnic or homosexual men shouldn't be in the army...the woman part in the SAS I agree with but not for the general army obviously.

But...and I may be having a tired, forgetful moment here....but who's gay?

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I thought this was pretty good...

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what do you ment by no black, asian or gays in the army?!?!?! the sas is for all fighting members of the army, fair enought, this doesnt include women but you cannon say that a black man or asian or whith man is any less of an elite soldierthan the other. so what does skin colour have to do with anything? also who cares if there is a homosexual in the group??

btw who do you think it is??

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they are so less of a soldiers cos their black cos the enemy always hears the black soldiers coming cos they have their ghetto blasters at full volume!!!!!!!

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Oh shut up Tim. pack up and go to bed, mate. You're making a embarrassing yourself.

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Whoever started this has an issue. MAybe they need counselling. Soldiers are soldiers, guns, bombs etc. Thats all there, they use proper tactics. No program is exact but this isnt bad. Get a life

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id just like to say that the start of seris 3 in fact all of it is crap .
but seris 1 &2 are really good because you feel you actually know them - trust me, it might be unrealistic , and if you know nothing about the SAS and you watch this you'll come out thinking they're just like americans but those seris are good really good

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For me, it wasn't the idea of a woman in the regiment that killed the series, although they are not currently allowed in the SAS, that show SAS: Are You Tough Enough went some way to proving that a woman can get do size up to the lads in the job.

It was the fact that said woman, after enduring hours of E&E and POW training, is whisked away before even getting a cup of tea, badged, sent into a plane in disguise (all cuts and bruises magically healing on the bus trip over) and despite not having any formal special forces CQB training (selection does not count - it is merely a way to separate out those that aren't good enough, SAS training takes place after selection), proceeds to take out the bad guys on a crowded commuter plane (a task even SF veterans cringe at). She even gets the final baddy, flying sideways through the air, shooting from the hip, John Woo style!!

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Cack - I'll second that.

'The Professionals' did a much better job, almost 30 years ago.
But they had the two things that 'Ultimate Force' sadly lacks: characters with charisma and quality writers. All the pyrotechnics in the world could not save this series from being anything other than ham-fisted mediocrity.

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Season 3 was the first season I watched and I loved it. I am an action fan though - talk talk talk is boring - bang bang bang is some good s***. Don't diss this show guys - it's the best the british have got (and I am british and willing to admit that).

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Bear in mind that Bravo Two Zero has been since shown to be almost pure fiction.

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There was a documentary on the Bravo Two Zero escapade where one lad, then retired from the Regiment, went back to retrace the steps of McNab's deeds. And it seems that almost every step of the way it was rather much embellished.

One of the reasons why the book is not treated as a historical document but is to be found on the shelves of one's local book emporium firmly wedged in the fiction section.

Do you honestly see that book being used as a historical reference in years to come?

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Indeed, but I was making the intial comment on the McNab book not the Ryan one as I haven't read that one yet.

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Er, next near impossible question please!

It was some months or a year or so ago. No idea which channel it would have been on but I suspect it was on one of the two main BBC channels.

Sorry to have been so vague but what I do recall was the ex-SAS chappie went through Iraq and met up with people that the Bravo Two-Zero outfit would have come across and then through interviews and on the ground evidence showed that the book was more or less fiction though based on true events.

Little wonder that other members of the team felt compelled to put the story straight or, as others call it, to make a fast buck themselves.

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Do so. The whole point of the documentary was to show that the whole thing, even though it was a total disaster, wasn't anything remotely like a Hollywood production.

I got the impression from reading the book that McNab was writing a screenplay rather than a book. Some books one can pick up and tell that it's written to be made into a film (kerching!).

Anyway, have a look out for the documentary; it will be bound to be shown a few more times on the telly now that the War For Iraq is supposed to be over.

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The documentary in question is based on the book - The Real "Bravo Two Zero": by Michael Asher. The documentary featured the author.

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The colonel tells Henno that he had to get rid of her as she was mooning around the place due to Jamie. He talks rather fast so, and I'm not joking, if you had a big hiccup at this point you would have missed it. Three killed off in about four minutes, then another character dispatched with about five seconds of dialogue. It has to be some kind of record.

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i wish she died at the start of season 2

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And of course the iraqis that he met up with was absolutely telling the whole story too, truthfully ?!?! :)
Strange how you can make a trip several years later, after the war, and see that McNab made all of it up.

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I enjoyed Season One- It introduced the (strong) characters, set up the continuing threads & had good plots. It was like the action at the end of 'Spooks', but instead of being seen from the Security Services POV it was the Regiment. OK, a 'boys own/Professionals' type of action, but still good.

Season Two was, if anything, better: building on the characters, better firefights (the extraction of the Boss & the woman from the factory).. in fact the only bad thing was Ross Kemp's increasingly bad acting.

Season Three.......... erm, did the producers just get bored or something??? I mean, WTF happened? Why get rid of all but a couple of the original cast (their characters getting stronger each season), leave the 2 least liked, replace a REALISTIC female intelligence officer who had undercover experience with 14Int- now the Surveillence & Reconnaisance Regiment- & who work alongside UKSF, with an incredibly dull, 'PC' BADGED female, played by an unbelievable actress... who had played EXACTLY THE SAME ROLE in 'London's Burning', & who does just what Caroline did before her???!!!

Now there's a 4th series? Well, as far as Im concerned, Ultimate Force only had 2 seasons.


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haha its so true.

I only saw this crap for the first time a couple of nights ago, and couldn't work out whether to laugh or just cringe.

Bascially just the A-team without the humour.

Utter rubbish.

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If you don't like it, then don't bother wasting time moaning about it! (Didn't mean that nastily mate...)

Alright, Fleming in the fourth couldn't hold a 203 to save his lift and always had the telescopic butt pushed right in - another mistake. As for the woman, I thought they could get away with Caroline as an officer, but with Becca as a trooper - just wrong.

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I missed the first series, but loved the second series and thought the characters were great. Then, something went dismally wrong, all the best characters died and it has been disappointingly bad ever since!

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you're right series 1 & 2 were written in a totally different style (which is the style they should have kept to in my opinion) series 3 & 4 just seems to go through the motions but never quite measures up.

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They had an ex-SAS man acting and helping with the 1st two series.

He left and they came up with last night's mess. I laughed so hard. It did have the odd good bit - "4 builders, not swearing, not reading the sun, they're not builders"

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