Did Jagger's mom realize he might be gay after Yossi told her what Jagger's favorite song was? Is "Rita" a recognized gay singing group in Israel? Would she have known this? Or was the look on her face at the end just of appreciation for knowing what his favorite song was?
Thought the movie was terrific, amazingly emotional with seemingly little effort. Just didn't appreciate the music at the *(SPOILER ALERT!*) death scene.
Hmmm,
I guess she did and all the others did, too.
Ofir, who was next to Yossi when Jagger died, may have told what he heard.
I don't know whether Rita is a recognized gay singing group but I like this song
although I'm a very straight-acting gay. ;-)
Danny
8-)
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I guess "masculine" and "straight-acting" have the same meaning:
If you would see me walking down the street and/or talk to me you would not think
that I'm gay. That's what I wanted to say.
And NO, I DO NOT sleep with women! :o)
Danny
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I don't think the character 'Ofir' told anyone about what he heard. To betray a dead man and a comrade would have made him a real scumbag. I think he just realized how wrong he was in believing this guy Jagger was after the girl he liked. I don't think he talked though..
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i dont think or any other realized he was gay (eccept for the officer who
had been at there when jagger died and yossi told him he loved him.
all the others did not realize, i am almost sure of it.
i understand you not liking the music at the death scene, it is strange, but i think its more affective in hebrew, the words have make the differnce.
Rita is not at all recognized as a gay singing group in Israel.
Rita is a woman who sings frequently with her husband "Rami Klenstein". She is an older singer and parents (40 - 50 year old) can relate more to her. Perhaps it was that she wasn't the "hip" artist a straight man would like being 18 - 21 years old in the army.
I was a little let down at the disconnection of the parents at the death scene. I know Israeli parents are (for the most part) far more invested in their soldier children and would be a little more hysterical that their son just died. I understand they were trying to bring home the fact that Jagger was not so close to his parents, however, I felt as if there wasn't very much emotion aside from Yossi.
Rita is what is known as one of the Israeli "Divas". In a sense, yes, she is known as a campy, big-ascting singer that many gays like. However, she is not a singer that caters exclusively to the gay communtiy. I suppose you could call her the Israeli Barbara Streisand. However, many straight people like her, and admitting that Jagger liked her would not be admitting that he was gay.
"Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view" Obi-Wan Kenobi
The Isreali Gay Youth organiztion is working on a prodation of a musical based on Rita's songs.I guess it could give away how much Rita IS popular with the gays.However, she is a very popular singer to the wide crowd, so though that might not give it away to his mother,putting it with the fact that this very emotional song is directed toward a male addressee ("Bo" is for male, while "Boee" is for female)could quite give it away.
thats very interesting, i dindt know about the difference between 'bo' and 'boee'.
but someone here said that its the kind of song your parents would like. think about it, what if jagger's mother liked rita? this shows more about the relationship between then, she would be listening songs not knowing her son liked too. its kind of ironic, in a sad way, isnt?
The disconnection from the parents was the point. Jagger's mom didn't know he was gay, so he was hiding his personality and life from her. Many people hiding such a big part of their life from someone else also wouldn't let them know too much else about themselves.
Yossi was the only one who knew Jagger was gay, and thus the only one who KNEW Jagger, and thus the only one who could feel strong emotion.
that is why jagger even emphasized to yossi that after their military service, he will bring yossi to met his mother, father and his dog because he is tired of keeping the disconnection from his parents. I guess he really intends to come out, which is very sad the movie didn't allow to happen. the storyline could have become even greater.
shareI did not get the impression that Jagger's mother would have understood that her son was gay, especially since Yaeli had just told her she loved Jagger and implied that he loved her. Ophir seems not to have mentioned what he heard when Jagger died, becauase Yaeli would not have acted so naively if he had. Sadly, and frustratingly, it was not in Yossi's nature to tell anyone so he is left with only his private memories. His knowledge of Jagger's favorite song seems to have left the mother with further confusion about not knowing her son, which shows on her face. I don't think, however, that she accepted 100% Yaeli's self-serving accouncement.
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The film is based on a true story, so even if at the end of the film we wonder if Jaggeers mother knew about her son being gay, the 'real' mother of 'Jagger' will know by now, no? I mean, an entire film has been made about the life/death of her son! I think it was even discussed (not only the gay relationship in the army but also the fact that the two men were of different grades) in the papers in Israel at the time (when the real story happened, not the film), if I remember correctly.
What I found:
Yossi et Jagger est tiré d'une histoire véridique et douloureuse, confiée au réalisateur par l'un de ses amis, longtemps condamné au silence par le secret total qui avait entouré sa liaison. L'armée israélienne lui ayant refusé son soutien, “sous le prétexte officiel, non qu'il n'était pas autorisé de montrer une histoire d'homosexualité entre deux officiers, mais parce que cela était tout simplement impossible entre deux officiers qui ne seraient pas du même grade”, le cinéaste a tourné avec les moyens du bord sur le Golan, se cachant des patrouilles militaires. En Israël, le film a été accueilli avec un enthousiasme qui l'a lui-même surpris, car “c'est un pays constamment menacé et donc sur la défensive, où l'image du soldat viril et macho est prédominante”. Aussi pense-t-il que le public a vu en Yossi et Jagger une sorte de symbole : “Il ne s'agissait pas juste d'une histoire d'homosexuels, mais de jeunes gens amenés à mourir au lieu de profiter de leur jeunesse. Les gens pleuraient sur ce poids qui pèse sur eux à tout moment, s'autorisant ainsi une nouvelle façon de pleurer, dans un pays où la 'culture du chagrin' est très officielle et très codifiée.” Caméra à l'épaule, Eytan Fox suit ses personnages et capte les amours secrètes, les rivalités et les jalousies, attentif aux moindres mouvements du désir. Mais la proximité de la mort donne à ces jeux juvéniles un poids particulier. Et quand Jagger interroge Yossi sur la force de son amour, c'est en lui demandant : “M'aimeras-tu encore si je perds un bras ? Si je suis défiguré ?” Par cette description de la porosité quasi totale entre vie militaire et vie amoureuse, Eytan Fox esquisse le portrait d'une société où, pour garçons et filles, c'est face à la mort que s'accomplit le passage à l'âge adulte.j.U.d.E. - they misunderestimated me
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