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all of this because of two horny teenagers?


It's nonsensical, and Paris is such a wuss portrayed by the feminine and wimpy Orlando Bloom, who needless to say is hideous as fuck. This is like the two assholes that think they are so grown up because they got pregnant at 16, and everyone else entertaining them.

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Paris hardly was supposed to be a teenager. Helen, maybe. But that is debatable as well.

And as for the rest of your post: bullshit! Like so many others, you seem to not have understood Paris and Helen at all.

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If you look at statues and paintings of Paris in ancient and modern art, Paris usually looks very young, possibly 20 to 30, and sometimes looks like a teenager.

Those images of a young looking Paris often depict events in the last year of the Trojan War, the last year of a war that lasted 10 years and began after Paris ran away with Helen according to Greek myths. Subtracting 10 years from Paris's apparent 20 to 30 years, he should have looked like he was only 10 to 20 in the first year of the Trojan War.

But there's more! After Paris killed Achilles, the Greeks sent for Neoptolemus or Pyrrhus, son of Achilles, to fight against Troy. Achilles's mother Thetis disguised him as a princess's maid to keep him from going to Troy, and Achilles got the princess pregnant with Neoptolemus.

So if Neoptolemus was at least 18 when he went to Troy, Thetis should have hidden Achilles at least 18 years before the end of the Trojan War, and thus 18 years before Paris looked about 20 to 30. Thus Paris should have looked about 2 to 12 years old when Achilles fathered Neoptolemus sometime after Paris ran away with Helen.

But there's more! Achilles looked like a girl when when he spawned Neoptolemus and should have been young, but old enough to fight, so should have been at least 18. So Achilles should have been born 36 years before the end of the Trojan War, and his parents, King Peleus and the minor goddess Thetis, should have been married even earlier.

All the gods attended the marriage of Peleus and Thetis, and Eris, goddess of discord, appeared with a Golden Apple for "the fairest of all", and Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite each claimed it and threatened vengeance if they didn't get it. Almighty Zeus feared to touch that hot potato, and found a mortal to sucker into doing it for him and face the vengeance of the two spurned goddesses - Paris, fairest of mortals. Continued

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So my "time computation" indicates that Paris should have looked like he was minus 16 to minus 6 years old when he doomed Troy by making the Judgement of Paris, where Aphrodite promised to give him the most beautiful women in the world as his wife, and he gave her the Golden Apple, and gained the hatred of Hera and Athena. Thus I have always imagined that Paris was just an innocent, naive little boy when the gods persuaded him to rush in where they feared to thread - it is hard enough to figure out a way for Paris to even be born yet at the time of the Judgement, let alone be a teenager or the adult he is usually depicted as in art.

So in Greek myths Paris could have been a child at the Judgement of Paris and been a mere teenager years later when he ran away with Helen.

And it seems to me that Paris should always be depicted as a cute and adorable looking little boy at the time of the judgement of Paris, in movies and television shows about the Trojan War, and quite possibly as a teenager when he ran off with Helen. Or else characters can mention that Paris and other Trojan princes age much slower than other men and look young and handsome for decades longer, because of their divine ancestry.

added 06-14-2019: Here is a link to a discussion of the ages of Achilles and Paris at the end of the Trojan War: https://mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/1995/how-old-were-paris-and-achilles-at-the-time-of-the-trojan-war .

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What you seem to forget is that while the character in this movie is based on the character from "The Illiad", they're not exactly the same person. And I don't believe that Paris in this movie is meant to be a teenager.

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Yes, I know that they are not exactly the mythical characters but characters in one specific movie based on the myths.

And no, the Paris in the movie is not supposed to still be a teenager.

But what I said was the mythical Paris is not depicted as still a teenager at the end of the Trojan War. But since he is usually depicted in visual representations as a young man maybe 20 to 30 years old at the end of the Trojan War, and since in the myths the end of the Trojan War was at least a decade or two after Paris ran away with Helen, and since the myths seem to indicate that the Judgement of Paris might have been two generations in the family of Achilles before the end of the Trojan War, Paris should have been a lot younger when he ran off with Helen and during the Judgement of Paris than he was at the end of the Trojan War.

So any movie where Paris & Helen are supposed to be sympathetic and not villains should excuse their conduct by using the old "Aphrodite made us do it and told us it was right" excuse and so make a goddess responsible as in the myths, instead of ignoring the divine involvement that the myths depicted.

And any movie that seeks to make Paris & Helen sympathetic should make them as young & naive as possible at the time they ran off together, so they can be excused as much as possible for not realizing the dire consequences that were likely to happen. Such a movie could use several sets of actors at various ages to depict Paris & Helen growing up at Troy from children to teenagers to adults during the 10 or 20 years of the Trojan war.

And since Paris & Helen are always depicted as looking young at the end of the Trojan War, the chronology of the myths indicates that if they aged at the same rate as normal people, they probably wouldn't even have been alive yet at the time of the Judgement of Paris and maybe when Paris and Helen ran off to troy, so a movie can depict Paris & Helen as children when first introduced without any fear of contradicting the myths.

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06-14-2019: Here is a link to a discussion of the ages of Achilles and Paris at the end of the Trojan War: https://mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/1995/how-old-were-paris-and-achilles-at-the-time-of-the-trojan-war .

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Of course Paris was often described as effeminate and wimpy in ancient Greek literature.

That could be the reason why Paris killed "only" 11 Greek warriors during the Trojan War according to the list here:

http://www.maicar.com/GML/Paris.html

And one of those victims was Achilles, the greatest of the Greek warriors at Troy.

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Paris SAS described as a great runner and a great archer though. So it was only the macho near-combat fighting, that he couldn't do.

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