Atheists are so annoying. And so is this movie.

akhan-12



may i ask you a question? is this based on your experiences in the us?

furthermore, what was "beep" originally?

i am an atheist and 'baby jesus' brings my presents, go figure


Andrea

you wrote, "All the atheists I knew growing up were all *beep* I only knew one person who was actually a kind and good-natured atheist, but most of them are just annoying. They like to bully their beliefs into others by using cruel and witty humor. They are also hella-defensive. They get their power from putting down Christians. It's so funny, you don't see any Christians going around wearing shirts that say "Atheists suck” or "Take your stupid X-mas and shove it right up your ass".

They think they are better than everyone else, but don't admit it when brought up. As humans, atheists behave the same way they cruelly accuse Christians of being as. I view them as huge hypocrites. I don't like Christians as well but I really dislike atheists. Ha!!...Freethinkers....all you free thinkers, think the same. I like what this one person on IMDB said,

" What is ironic to me, the people in the movie basically get made fun of for forcing their religion on everybody, and basically being told what to believe, and they are assumed to be conservative. In my own experiences it is the liberals who are shoving their beliefs down people's throats, and being told what to do, and believe."

If you think I am just being mean and judgmental........well, that’s exactly what I am doing.....telling it like it is.

By the way, I'm a proud agnostic."

I've never met an atheist who forced their point of view on anyone. I've met plenty of Christians who force their world view on others and many that don't. But i don't see groups of atheists harassing students going into a Studies of Religion lecture. I don't have atheists telling me how I'm going to burn in hell when i go to get on the train in the morning. And i don't get atheists coming to my home knocking on my door trying to convert me.

However those pseudo-intellectual punks that quote Dawkins do get under my skin.

Then again the atheists i know are all pretty well informed and tolerant so i haven't met any atheists who were indoctrinated, or born into their lack of faith.

akhan-12

"By the way, I'm a proud agnostic."


check out:

"ag·nos·tic"

"Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos known, from gignOskein to know"

"a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god"

from: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/agnostic


agnostics also know and understand evolution. an agnostic could also read the Qur'an. you keep talking about the Bible only


Andrea

Nope, you're right, you don't see Christians wearing those t-shirts. Instead, they claim "I'm persecuted!" yet make up roughly 73% of the religion in the US, and hand out pamphlets, flyers, go door-to-door, but claim to be persecuted because not everybody accepts their beliefs. Until I see Atheists doing this, I'm not going to consider them persecuted.

I too, am Agnostic.

Maybe I was just crazy. Or maybe I was just a girl... interrupted.

Well, you certainly have a lot to say, akhan-12. And you present it as solid, undeniable truth, because you are “telling it like it is.” It’s not. It’s your opinion. Whether or not you feel it is one shared by others, it is not justification to claim that you are correct in your charges.

And while you may discredit gosundancekid because she is not from the USA, I am, so please don’t try and throw back things that I say based upon the location in which I reside. I live in a conservative Christian and Catholic community, with some, but not many, people of other religions, and those of us in the younger generations are questioning life more and more as we all attempt to find out what our true beliefs are.

But back to my comment.

First things first: I hope you’re not attempting to juxtapose the mindset of Atheists (At least your stereotype of it) next to the satirical commentary of Saved!. If you hadn’t noticed, the movie is quite ‘pro-faith.’ It’s simply anti-ignorance and against closed minded prejudice.

As for your lovely comments upon the attire of Atheists, I have never seen a single article of clothing with such crass and derogatory remarks as the ones you imply that you have seen Atheists in. I’ve seen buttons which say things along the lines of “Stop using Jesus as an excuse for being a narrow-minded bigot” but I also know quite a few Christians who have buttons that say things like that, because they don’t believe their Savior should be an excuse for anyone to act in bigoted ways or treat people differently based on their religious affiliations. I have seen ones in stores in references to other faiths too.

In terms of religions, I have quite a diverse group of close friends, and have quite a few more diverse acquaintances, and I’ve never seen any Atheist try to “convert” anyone, although it would be a feat to watch if they could suddenly convince someone that there was absolutely no supreme being. I have, however, come across a good many Christians who have attempted to convert others. (In saying that, I feel I have to mention that I know a good many that are very respectful of the beliefs of others.)

The remark of “As humans, atheists behave the same way they cruelly accuse Christians of being as.” Beautiful. Ambiguous as anything can be, completely one-sided, and the pinch of judgment passed with the word “cruelly” is incredibly subtle. But don’t worry; I’m sure no one noticed that, save me.

“I don't like Christians as well but I really dislike atheists.” How sweet of you, disliking entire religious sects of the population because of their religious affiliations. Although I fear that next there may be some people who will become discriminatory against groups of people based upon race, or sexual orientation, or even physical appearances. But that might be illegal, so religion is a much better thing to treat people differently over.

I’m still having a hard time with your statement of “f you think I am just being mean and judgmental........well, that’s exactly what I am doing.....telling it like it is.” It’s so contradictory. You’re being “mean and judgmental,” (common general translation: I am blatantly saying that I am being unkind and stating my personal convictions in relation to the above subject.) yet you tell us that you are just “telling it like it is.” (c.g. translation: I am stating cold hard facts that are readily available and there is no possibility for debate upon the subject.) Now that just seems a bit confusing. Opinion that is undeniable fact? You must be a deity yourself then if that is true, but since you call yourself Agnostic, that just wouldn’t make any sense, now would it?

And I was wondering if you could explain your sense of Agnosticism. You said you are Agnostic, which would usually mean you are unsure about the existence of a supreme being, but then you said you believe in “God” but you are “not religious nor do [you] go to church.” (On another side note, many find that Atheism and Agnosticism occasionally blur together.) When you use the term “God” are you using it in the Christian sense of the word? I know there are a good many religions it could be in reference to, but this entire debate seems to have become one of Atheism v. Christianity.

As for the concept of evolution, the concept is not just in reference to creation, it’s in the development of new species. It actually makes a bit of sense, if thought about logically, even to many of those who are not sure they believe in it. In reference to creation, it does bring up a good many valid questions. How can one know if God’s “days” are of the same length as ours? What God considers a day we may consider millions of years. How can we know that the ‘general’ human is the human God created? Could Adam and Eve have been less developed by evolutionary standards? That question even leads a miniscule amount of the brave ones to ponder if the two were what we consider now to be apes… but we should probably keep a bit of distance from that one, many people find it offensive and it’s understandable why.




Your Atheist acquaintances sound like old-fashioned bullies, straight out of Hollywood films of decades past, using their religion as a foothold while badgering others, although the current trend of increasing Atheists and Agnostics in the USA is mostly due to a confusion and lack of connection with religion in today’s society. I’m sure you’ve come across many good-natured, warm-hearted people who have never debated over religion with you. Have you ever stopped to think that some of them may have been Atheist?




Well, I’ve gone on for far too long on this subject, and still failed to get down a majority of my points on the issue. Perhaps some other time.

You don't remind me of the atheists I know at all. Are there some atheists who try and force their views on you? Yes, just as there are Christians who do the same. I'm Jewish by birth, agnostic by practice, and I have been visited by Mormon missionaries twice (they were never invited) and frequently asked by co-workers at my job prior to returning to grad school if I wanted to attend their church on a Sunday. And yes, there is a disturbing implication in there, and it's: The way you are you are going to hell, but I think you are a nice guy and don't think you should go to hell, thus I hope you take action and save your soul.

In my opinion, it all comes down to one thing with the religious and non-religious: People who like questions and people who like answers. Much of religion is about answers. You have a question, you turn to the Bible. And that's perfectly fine. I prefer to just stick with the questions and analyze them, sometimes without ever coming to a definitive answer.

"atheists are so annoying" ?? talk about (non)religious tolerance...

i'm an atheist, and one of the things i dislike most in the world is people shoving their opinions down other's throats...i never get into religios arguments with anybody.

-Leah
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