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recite the alphabet backwards???


They've got to be kidding me. I know I'm not the only one who in no way can do such a thing.

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I thought the same thing.
Burst out laughing when the cop asked him to.
After the movie I tried to recite the alphabet backwards.
Took me about 5 minutes.
Had to keep going over the alphabet forwards in my mind first.
Kept mumbling it under my breathe before saying the 3 to 4 letters that I remembered.
Anyone would look intoxicated trying to do that-
Sober or not.

"I am not a number. I am a person."

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You're right, I had to keep reciting it forwards, then take a block of 3 or 4 of the end and say them backwards, then start the forwards recital all over again. I never heard of that as a test for sobriety.......maybe IQ intelligence or something.

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It's a very common sobriety test.

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Common maybe on "Reno 911."
Reciting the alphabet backwards isn't a standardized Field Sobriety Test.
It is common for an officer to ask an individual to count backwards.
Or to recite the whole alphabet or the alphabet in part, but not backwards.
Officers that ask suspected DUI's to do this are wrong.
If an officer asks you to perform this task as a FST, respectfully ask that he give you a demonstration first.
See how quickly that test will end.
Anyway, FST's are supposed to be videotaped. (Whether on the side of the road or back at the station.)


Field Sobriety Tests:
Tests generally administered by an officer at the scene of the arrest to determine if there is probable cause to arrest the individual for drunk driving. These tests evaluate physical and mental performance and eye impairment and include, for example, walking a line heel-to-toe, one leg stand, finger to nose test, reverse counting, alphabet recitation, and horizontal gaze nystagmus. Field sobriety test results can be helpful to defense counsel where an officer places heavy reliance on these tests because they are superficial tests used to merely gauge blood alcohol content.


Common Field Sobriety Tests:

1. Recite the alphabet;

2. Count backwards;

3. Line-walking;

4. Finger-to-nose;

5. Heel-to-toe;

6. Balancing one foot at a time;

7. Fingers-to-thumb;

8. Hand pat;

9. Bending forward and backward with your eyes closed

divided attention test
a field sobriety test that tests the ability to coordinate physical and mental tasks at the same time.

horizontal gaze nystagmus
one of the standardized field sobriety tests wherein officers gauge the jerking of the eyes as they gaze to the side at various angles.

modified position of attention
a common field sobriety test designed to detect swaying in the suspect, presumably a symptom of intoxication. A scientific study has concluded that even high doses of alcohol have little effect on body sway.

one leg stand
a common field sobriety test wherein a suspect is instructed to stand on one leg for approximately 30 seconds, with the other leg held out at 45 degree angle.

pupil reaction
an eye impairment test involving the shining of a flashlight into a suspect’s eyes in order to observe the speed of pupil contraction. This field sobriety test is increasingly being replaced or used in conjunction with the horizontal gaze nystagmus test.

verbal field sobriety tests
a drunk driving suspect cannot, after being placed in custody and without a Miranda advisement and waiver, be asked any questions to test his mental state. Such a test may be self-incriminating because it forces the suspect to disclose information that would reveal whether his mental processes were confused.

walk-and-turn
a standardized field sobriety test that (1) requires the subject to balance heel-to-toe while listening to instructions and (2) requires that the subject take nine heel-to-toe steps along a line, turn around, and take nine heel-to-toe steps back.

walk-the-line
the most commonly encountered field sobriety test wherein the subject walks along a line or crack in the pavement and, at the end of line, he is directed to pivot and return.

"I am not a number. I am a person."

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Oh, look. It can use a search engine, and it thinks that means it knows something. How cute.

Ask a cop for a demonstration, and see how quickly you end up in the back of his car. Not only is it a common test, but it's not that difficult to do. You know, if you're not drunk. Or stupid.

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It can use a search engine?

Caped Crusader, not only are you rude and disrespectful, you are also misinformed.

My comment was meant for informational purposes.

It was not intended to hurt your feelings or bruise your ego but apparently it did.

Regardless of the immaturity of your response or your assumed difficulty level of the task, the fact still remains that:
1. It is not a common test.
2. You can ask an officer for a demonstration of the given task.

Not only is it a common test, but it's not that difficult to do. You know, if you're not drunk. Or stupid.

Well let's just hope you never get pulled over then.


"I am not a number. I am a person."

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Contrary to your suggestion that highlighting plagiarism is rude and disrespectful, I find it responsible. What you mean to say is the information you copied verbatim from the internet, and then pasted into your post, was posted to make yourself look knowledgeable. It didn't work, and now you're sour over it. Boo. Hoo.

It is a common test, regardless of what you found while browsing Google. When you can have a discussion based on your own knowledge, rather than what you obtain from spending thirty seconds on a search engine, then you can pretend that you deserve respect. Until then, you're just a plagiarist, which is not easily distinguished from an intellectual thief.

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Intellectual thief?
Well, thank-you for your concern.
I'll be sure to consider that the next time I have a term or research paper due.

What you mean to say is the information you copied verbatim from the internet, and then pasted into your post, was posted to make yourself look knowledgeable. It didn't work, and now you're sour over it. Boo. Hoo.

Wrong {yet again}.
No, I don't mean to say that.
Everything that I wanted to say, I said.
And not in an attempt to seem knowledgeable either.
Simply put, you made a statement.
Your statement was incorrect.
I countered your statement with a true one and backed it up with information to support my claim.
Seems reasonable, don't you think?

If anyone is sour, Caped Crusader, it's you.
You took what I said, got offended and made it into a personal attack against you.
Then assumed that because you posted a sarcastic, insulting and immature comment, without any evidence to support your statement, that I would back down.
You are once again mistaken.
I would suggest that you reserve the Boo and the Hoo for yourself.

I am, however, unusually amused at your constant persistence of correctness.
Just because you say something, doesn't make it so.
And repeating it over and over doesn't help to substantiate it either.

That said, you have yet to prove my statements to be false.
All that you have accomplished, thus far, is establish that the information I've provided is pretty much common and public knowledge.

I believe your real argument ended sometime ago.
I honestly believe you feel that you were correct at first.
Then you realized that you weren't and that someone else called you on it.
Unable to provide proof to verify your words you went into defensive mode.

Your first response to my post was a personal attack laced with insults.
Your second response was a character and credibility attack.
What will be the theme of your next response? Personal threats?

Please take the chip off of your shoulder and come up with a valid argument to prove that:
1. Reciting the alphabet backwards is a standard, recognized and legitimate Field Sobriety Test.
2. That asking an officer to first provide a demonstration is inappropriate or disrespectful.

Your opinion is fine (when discussing movies) but not when you want to dispute a subject that must be establish by fact, not by emotions or feelings.

So here is where we stand.
I haven't changed my position and you haven't changed yours.
The way I see it, there are two ways to prevent this from becoming an "Is Not...Is Too!, Is Not...Is Too!" affair.

1. Prove me wrong
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.
If you can provide evidence to show that I am, I will gladly concede and extend you my sincerest congratulations on enlightening me with the correct information.

OR

2. Acknowledge to yourself that you are mistaken and move on.

Either would suffice.

"I am not a number. I am a person."

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I am sorry but you may want to look at your previous statements on here before you go on because you contradicted yourself here. You said in a previous post that it is NOT common sobriety for someone to have to recite the alphabet backwards but it is common to have to recite the alphabet or in part and to count backwards etc. In this post you say it is common sobriety test to have them recite alphabet backwards.

Me, honestly I don't know one way or the other. I just happened to notice that. To be perfectly honest I would like to know if it is or isn't. You have flip flopped on this and maybe you didn't realize it cause some times when you are typing something, I do this too, that I forget to put in a few words, because I am typing fast, preoccupied, whatever. But, please if you could I would surely appreciate it.

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I think you need to read what he wrote again.

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Thank-you Steve-1735.
No contradiction.
Tferreira23, Re-read the post.

"I am not a number. I am a person."

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Alphabet backwards? I am surprised that this has been flagged as an issue. I have spoken to a lot of people about it and not found anyone who can't do it.

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No-one has yet answered my question of a year or so ago. Why do Americans have sobriety tests at all? Breath into a bag sir and you're gone or you're OK! Yet still these seemingly silly 'point to your nose with your eyes closed' and 'walk on the line with your arms out' videos on Youtube still abound.
Is there a legal reason US police can't just breathalyse people who appear pissed? I just want a logical or legal answer because I don't know.

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"No-one has yet answered my question of a year or so ago. Is there a legal reason US police can't just breathalyse people who appear pissed? "

You are a Brit right? I have never understood why in the UK chimneys miss the top bit, allowing rain water to get in. And in 22 years of me living there nobody has yet answered my question.
So you see, there's mysteries in the UK too.

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I'm from Belgium, we might also have mysteries here but cops breathalyse you.
And I might add, if you happen to be driving in Belgium, if you think you might be a bit over the limit, say to the officer "I finished my drink right before leaving I wanna wait before taking the test". If you make that statement he has to wait up to 1 hour before you blow into the machine... ( they usually wait 15 minutes even if you didn't say a thing )

Most of the time when they pull you over, if a woman is driving and a man is in the next seat they don't even botter. ( yeah I know that's wrong but if she's as drunk as you are, it's nice ^^ )

P.S.: does anyone remember the FST from "the man with 2 brains" ? :p

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what?? for *beep* sake. i can't do it, & no one would consider me a simpleton. counting backwards, yes ... the alphabet backwards? no.

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"what?? for *beep* sake. i can't do it, & no one would consider me a simpleton. counting backwards, yes ... the alphabet backwards? no."

dude, someone is trolling you, I am sure there's the one guy with a few accounts.
This stuff can only be done on the net, imagine someone in a pub claiming that everyone is able to recite the alphabet backwards!!

Kind of related, Leonardo Da Vinci wrote backwards, you need a mirror to read what he wrote.

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I was asked to recite the alphabet backwards for an FST.

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"Me, honestly I don't know one way or the other. To be perfectly honest I would like to know if it is or isn't. "

Are you drunk? No? then recite it yourself. Can you do it? No? So what does that say to you?? Use your OWN brain FFS

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Good lord, you need something fulfilling to occupy your time. Just look at the length of your post!

Simply put, you made a statement.
Your statement was incorrect.
I countered your statement with a true one and backed it up with information to support my claim.
Nothing I said was incorrect, you've countered nothing, and the obscure page you found on the internet does not back up anything.

If anyone is sour, Caped Crusader, it's you.
You took what I said, got offended and made it into a personal attack against you.
I haven't taken anything you've said personally. You'd have to say something of substance for me to do that. Stop wasting your time by attempting to assign motive, as you're obviously not qualified.

Then assumed that because you posted a sarcastic, insulting and immature comment, without any evidence to support your statement, that I would back down.
You are once again mistaken.
I never wanted you to back down. You can make a fool of yourself all you like.

I am, however, unusually amused at your constant persistence of correctness.
Just because you say something, doesn't make it so.
And repeating it over and over doesn't help to substantiate it either.
Stealing the text of an obscure web page you found with a search engine doesn't make your nonsense accurate.

That said, you have yet to prove my statements to be false.
It isn't necessary. I said it was a common test, and you argued with me. The burden of proof is on you, sweetie.

All that you have accomplished, thus far, is establish that the information I've provided is pretty much common and public knowledge.
Only in your imagination.

I honestly believe you feel that you were correct at first.
I was, and still am, correct.

Then you realized that you weren't and that someone else called you on it.
The idea that you're even capable of "calling" me on anything is patently absurd.

Your second response was a character and credibility attack.
You have no character, and you're certainly lacking in credibility, as evidenced by your little display of plagiarism.

What will be the theme of your next response? Personal threats?
Threaten an insiginificant creature? Hardly.

Please take the chip off of your shoulder and come up with a valid argument to prove that:
1. Reciting the alphabet backwards is a standard, recognized and legitimate Field Sobriety Test.
2. That asking an officer to first provide a demonstration is inappropriate or disrespectful.
Once again, it's up to you to prove something. It is a common test, and it's employed by cops in many different regions of the U.S.

I never said anything was inappropriate or disrespectful. Perhaps you should invest the same amount of time in reading that you do when posting.

Your opinion is fine (when discussing movies) but not when you want to dispute a subject that must be establish by fact, not by emotions or feelings.
Fact: You're a plagiarist.

Either would suffice.
Suffice? Yeah, because appeasing the likes of you is such a pressing concern of mine. But what the hell? I'll play your silly game, if only to put you in your place.

This cop explains that it's not a test to see if you can actually do it, but rather to gauge your reaction: http://www.clevelandwomen.com/pro/doleyq2.htm

For something rather authoritative, consult FindLaw.com, which states:

Field sobriety tests usually involve a police officer asking a driver to perform a number of tasks that assess any impairment of the person's physical or cognitive ability. Examples of field sobriety tests include having the driver walk a straight line, heel to toe; having he or she recite the alphabet backwards; and the officer's use of the "horizontal gaze nystagmus" (eye and penlight) test.
http://dui.findlaw.com/dui/dui_overview/dui_basics.html

See? You're not the only thing that can use Google. Some of us just admit to it. But what am I saying? I'm sure your expert opinion is worth far more than that of a site devoted to legal matters.

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Well hello, Caped Crusader!
After waiting over a month and not seeing a post from you
I figured that you’d just given up.

I'm glad to see that you took me up on my offer.
It was a good attempt friend, but no dice.
The websites you provided don’t negate what I wrote.

As you recall,
I wrote on June 14th ---

Common maybe on "Reno 911."
Reciting the alphabet backwards isn't a standardized Field Sobriety Test.
Officers that ask suspected DUI's to do this are wrong.

(It is a sad occurrence when that happens, although it was comically portrayed in the movie and on Reno 911.)

And on June 21st—
Please take the chip off of your shoulder and come up with a valid argument to prove that:
1. Reciting the alphabet backwards is a standard, recognized and legitimate Field Sobriety Test.

Take a look at my statements.
You have not disputed them.
The burden of proof is on you, sweetie

Sorry, honey, you’ve watched one too many People’s Court episodes.
This isn’t a courtroom; it’s a message board.
And if it were, the burden of proof would be on you.
(Remember, you made the initial claim)
This cop explains that it's not a test to see if you can actually do it, but rather to gauge your reaction:
http://www.clevelandwomen.com/pro/doleyq2.htm

I went to the above website and the former cop, by more than seven years, said no such thing.
Nice to see that you are taking such liberties with other people’s words, though.

And as far as the FindLaw website (particularly nice for Finding Lawyers) is concerned,
I guess that they would know more than the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration)
and the IACP (International Association of Chiefs of Police) who wrote the manual concerning the Standardization of Field Sobriety Tests.
Especially when they clearly state in their disclaimer that:

The information contained in this web site, and its associated web sites, including but not limited to FindLaw, the CyberSpace Law Center, the LawCrawler, LegalMinds and the University Law Review Project, is provided as a service to the Internet community, and does not constitute legal advice. We try to provide quality information, but we make no claims, promises or guarantees about the accuracy, completeness, or adequacy of the information contained in or linked to this web site and its associated sites. As legal advice must be tailored to the specific circumstances of each case, and laws are constantly changing, nothing provided herein should be used as a substitute for the advice of competent counsel.

Now if you would like “something rather authoritative” to check out, I would suggest the U.S. Department of Transportation's

Impaired Driving Division
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
400 Seventh Street, SW, NTS-11
Washington, DC 20590

Phone: 202-366-9588
Fax: 202-366-2766

Nothing I said was incorrect, you've countered nothing, and the obscure page you found on the internet does not back up anything.


This from the person who gives www.clevelandwomen.com to discuss Field Sobriety Testing?
Well, since you like obscure websites so much, here is another to browse over:
http://www.owidefenselaw.com/fst/
They come a dime a dozen.
As you can see, everyone has an opinion.
It is a common test, and it's employed by cops in many different regions of the U.S.

What region would that be?
I’m not sure what area you live in but police officers in my state laughed when I asked them about backwards alphabet counting as a Field Sobriety Test.

There are a number of Field Sobriety Tests administered that aren’t a part of the standardized three.
However, these tests don’t ask you to do something that is typically not feasible while in a non-intoxicated state.
Asking someone to recite the alphabet backwards does.
Lawyers would have a field day in court arguing that point.
I never said anything was inappropriate or disrespectful. Perhaps you should invest the same amount of time in reading that you do when posting.

Really?
In response to this statement…
If an officer asks you to perform this task as a FST, respectfully ask that he give you a demonstration first.
See how quickly that test will end.

…you wrote
Ask a cop for a demonstration, and see how quickly you end up in the back of his car.

Sounds to me that you are suggesting that it is disrespectful to request such a thing.
I haven't taken anything you've said personally. You'd have to say something of substance for me to do that.

If not, why the hostility and condescending tone when writing the following:
Threaten an insiginificant creature?

Yeah, because appeasing the likes of you is such a pressing concern of mine.

You have no character.

You can make a fool of yourself all you like.

And to top it off (I enjoyed this one the most) you wrote:
Good lord, you need something fulfilling to occupy your time. Just look at the length of your post!

Wow Teapot, I thought that you were making an observation about the message you posted.
Yours Truly, Kettle

"I am not a number. I am a person."

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"After waiting over a month and not seeing a post from you
I figured that you’d just given up."

Yeah, apparently he's not an ignorant trolling jackass like you.

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Yeah, apparently he's not an ignorant trolling jackass like you.

Really?

Well, apparently you are either someone who has not read the messages (or interactions between Caped Crusader and I) on this board

or

you are indeed the thing that you accuse me of being.
[I'm inclined to believe the latter.]
In either case, any further responses from you will be ignored.

Hopefully this reply will be enough to give you the much needed attention that you crave.

“I am not a number. I am a person.”

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ok first of all
Caped Crusader,
"Fact: You're a plagiarist."

that's pretty much the only slightly valid point you've made.

Notevenclose,
i can't believe you really waited for a month lolol!!

and Ragreen259,
why would you add negative comments to the fire??
your comment doesn't even make sense.


over all this arguement is completely ridiculous and pointless
SOMEONE regardless of right and wrong, BE THE BIGGER PERSON
and walk away.
thank you.

DO YOU REMEMBER THE REAL REASON OF THIS THREAD???
can you recite the alphabet backwards or not??
i know i can't

none of this is truly meant to insult or demean anyone.
but just slap you in the face with your childish actions.
so if any of this offends you. im sorry.
<3ivana

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haha actually i just tried it again and i could say it backwards. but it took me way longer than it would saying it normal.

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I looked at the board and the last communication between Caped Crusader and Notevenclose was made in September of 2006. So apparently someone was the "bigger person" about it... over 2 years ago.

"Beauty I'd always missed with these eyes before. Just what the truth is, I can't say anymore."

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I actually thought Crusader to be the jackass. Who calls someone "it?" and is as absolutely nasty to start with? This is IMDB, there is no way to judge people and decide who is a better person or not. Notevenclose made no mistake worthy of the garbage Crusader was slinging. Crusader vanished under that name (or permanently) shortly after that exchange. Hopefully he or she will never be back to plague this site with his (or her) disgusting and presumptuous nonsense. I'm not "notevenclose," nor do I know him (or her), but I was amazingly offended while reading the posts between the two of them; I was offended enough to offer my own opinions here. I don't see how repeatedly slandering another person makes ones own argument stronger or more noble. In fact, I believe it makes one look less intelligent, respectful, and worthwhile. Perhaps the reason Crusader has deprived us of his or her company now for so long is for that fact: he or she was never worthwhile in the first place.

In closing I'd like to say I have never, throughout all my time on IMDB, been moved enough to come in even for a second on someone's side in a thread I had not before been on. I'd have replied to Crusader if he or she ever came on anymore, but it doesn't seem like they do. I just hate to see people try and feel vindicated or self-important by trashing others, and acting self-righteous and faux-intellectual about it. As if Crusader was doing the world some service by raging against Notevenclose, the "master of plagiarism." Absolutely despicable.

"Well if you wanted to make Syrok the Preparer cry...mission accomplished."

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Not even close fully and completely owns caped crusader.

I can actually do the alphabet backwards. It took me a sleepless night to memorize it. Every single time I've ever done it, which is a lot, people are stoked and shocked. I've only met one other person who could do it on command and they'd received the same reactions as I did. Did'nt someone start this argument by saying anyone who can't do it is an idiot or drunk? That's absurd.

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Hm.you complain about the length of the post yet you sepnd just as much time responding.......Where do you get his page is Obscure. Do a simple search...you seem to have a lot of time on your hands..

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Um, I don't mean to intervene--especially 8 months later-- but you're both the ones using your time on something that won't really change anything. However, I do find it a very entertaining discussion, but if I myself could find something to occupy MY time, I wouldn't even know that this arguement existed.

Excellent points notevenclose.

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saying the alphabet backwards is not an FST. The main ones are finger to nose, 1 leg stand and walk and turn. Also used is the HGN. Yes I am in Law Enforcement

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YOu try to act smart, yet you thought this was an attempt to pass off the information as his own. How intelligent is that. It was painfully obvious to everyone else that it was copied.

Reciting the alphabet backwards is not a common test. Yes, some people can do it without problems. Other people, completely sober and very intelligent, hve substantial trouble.

As well, you must certainly can ask for a demonstration of any test. If you're not just acting like a moron and truly need the demo it's not going to cause any problems.

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CC:

Recite this backwards:

UFTS

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I lol'd at this.

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lolololol
TEAM SPYCAT!!!

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repeating that it is a common test doesn't make it true. You'll probably find one person out of 1000 that can recite the alphabet backwards. ( no need to search google to know this if you have one spoon of common sense and half a working brain cell)

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My drivers ed teacher specifically told us that officers cannot ask a person to recite the alphabet backwards. A field sobriety tests is supposed to test how well a person can do something that is a COMMON and EXPECTED task. (I.E, reciting the alphabet regularly or COUNTING backwards). Since saying the alphabet backwards is not a COMMON task, it would never be used by a cop for a sobriety test.

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Actually, I've watched cops give this FST before (the alphabet backwards one).

If a cop asks you to do it and you either don't attempt it or say "I can't even do that sober" or something along those lines, the cop actually has to take you in because you've pretty much implicated yourself.

So, if ever faced with this dillema, at least try it. It'd be fun.

Oh, and that says COMMON field sobriety tests, which means there are others. That one just isn't used as often because most people can't do it sober.

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my brother is a cop, and said that commonly, a drunk will slip and say 'i can't even do it sober', and then they got them. also, things like balance are harder to keep while intoxicated and thinking that much. the actual alphabet part has little to do with what they're looking for.

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" a drunk will slip and say 'i can't even do it sober', and then they got them."

what if he isn't drunk and he meant "one can't even do this sober" ?? are cops trying to trick you so that they can then fine you regrdless of you being drunk??
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well...i know people who have had to do it, so regardless what wikipedia says about sobriety tests, i would consider it a common one.

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I think the reason the cop in the movie asks him to recite the alphabet backwards is because he's stupid and got mixed up with "recite the alphabet" and "count backwards".
I think it was supposed to be a joke in the movie but it didn't get through very much (I didn't get it either until i read your post just now).

And this argument of yours is childish, stupid and unnecessary.

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Still no-one has yet answered my question. What is the reason for sobriety tests when a breathalyser would unequivocally decide the matter? Is this a USA thing? I'm not being vociferous; I'm just interested.

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That's covered in the movie, westhamu. The cop asks him to submit to a breathalyser and the man refuses, and the cop says That's your right. We have the right to refuse (don't ask me why).

If you are Jesus Christ and are 100% proud of it, copy this and make it your signature!

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Well, speaking for myself, I can't blow into the bag.

I've been exposed to too much asbestos, fiberglass and I foolishly smoked for years. I don't have the lung capacity to perform a breathalyzer test, so I'd have to do the FST.

But I don't drink alcohol or take drugs so I really don't expect it to ever be an issue for me.

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"Well, speaking for myself, I can't blow into the bag.

I've been exposed to too much asbestos, fiberglass and I foolishly smoked for years. I don't have the lung capacity to perform a breathalyzer test, so I'd have to do the FST. "



uhmm it isn't a bag but something more like a straw. Anyone that can expell air can blow into a straw.
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I realize this is very late but if you are still interested-they perform field sobriety tests because a person could be driving under the influence of something other than alcohol which a breathalyzer wouldn't pick up. I don't know about being able to say "no" to any kind of test- in Florida, when you sign your name to get your license you are signing your consent to perform any sobriety test you are asked to take. It says so on the license.

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I don't understand why you have those sobiety tests in america? They doesn't prove anything.. Why don't you just use the breathalizer?

here in sweden we have zero tollerance against drunk driving. so even if you just had one beer, you get a ticket and you might loose your license. and if you are heavily drunk, you can get jailtime.. So we have to use the breathalizers since people don't have to be noticely drunk, to be breaking the law.

Anyways, would it just be easier, and safer to allways use the machine?

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because drivers under 18 can refuse a breathalizer,i think.

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Standard or not, I happen to know for a fact, if they want you and you pass their other fun and games they sometimes tell you to recite the alphabet backwards.






"That may be true, but it is also irrelevant."

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Just for ther record.plagarism involves taking credit for the work of someone esle.........I do not believe he ever tool credit for it......if it was an English paper, yeah bad citation, but not plagarism since everyone except you understood what he was doing.you moron......ooops didn't someone already call you that.,..guess I plagarized..

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"It's a very common sobriety test."

and where do you come from then? Because you and me aren't driving in the same nation.

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its used as a trick for admission of guilt. Nothing more. So yes and no. The officer won't actually make you do it. If you don't admit guilt it's rendered useless.

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amen to that.

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Funny, I think it's rather easy since I practised a bit. I would appear sober, intoxicated or not.

"You have watched it, you can't unwatch it!"

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The driving school instructors told us that if an officer suspected someone of driving under the influence, they would ask them do the touch-your-noise thing, walking the line, or saying the alphabet backwards, etc.

They work very closely with local law enforcement, so I'd say it is, in fact, a common field sobriety test.

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Iust envision the keypad on a phone. Makes it a lot easier.

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I made a point of memorizeing it just in case. Act like it is a little hard but you can do it and they believe it.

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reciting the alphabet backwards IS a common sobriety test. its not meant to see if u get it right, its meant to see your thought process. just so u guys know

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this forum is the perfect example of why i think all arguments should be written down. it makes everyone seem smarter. and if you are dumb and can't write an argument, you shouldn't be arguing anything in the first place.

but to the real topic: I can recite the alphabet backwards from Z to T, then i tend to slow down a bit. also, it was meant for the comedic part of the movie...what am i saying, this whole movie was funny. I thought it was a good story and hilarious too, i love movies that intertwine seperate stories.

oh, and when i finished the movie the first time i watched it, it was 11:12 when it ended. so very close to 11:14.

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I thought that that scene was hilarious, too.
Probably one of the funniest in the movie.
So humorous because it is absurd to think that someone would actually be asked to do that.
These are supposed to be simple tests that, under normal conditions, a person should have no problem at all completing them.
So if a cop pulls someone over who he already suspects is inebriated, then this should just be the icing on the cake.
But the poor guy in this movie was way over his head.
I didn't know whether to feel sorry for him because he hadn't realized that the body fell from above.
Or to hope that he was caught for trying to cover it up.

If you thought that scene was funny, check out this clip:
(you may or may not have seen this before)
http://www.break.com/index/topdui.html

Then read/highlight the area below after watching it.






















This is a clip from the TV show Reno 911.
I didn't want to spoil it by saying, right off the bat, that it wasn't real.
It so much funnier when you first think that it is real.
But obviously realize that it isn't when she asks him to do the dance routine.
I love it when he gets to the end of reciting the alphabet,",,,e,d,c,b,aaa!!"
Hilarious.
"I am not a number. I am a person."

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um...... nope

reciting the alphabet backwards is a common sobriety test.

you are wrong.

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notevenclose that video was hilarious. The guy was great and unitll he did him self in.

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'notevenclose' and 'caped crusader'; I have enjoyed your little stoush but one question irks. I am Australian and apart from US films, we don't know about or have 'sobriety tests' as such; if caught suspected of drink driving you get breath tested clinically and charged accordingly if the results prove true. Surely, Americans could have the same system.
So obviously, the 'sobriety test' per se revolves around a legal argument or loss of rights issue. Is that correct or could someone explain it to me?
As to the alphabet backwards thing, sorry 'caped crusader', but you're clutching at straws. I don't know if any US State has an 'alphabet backwards' test but common sense would tell you they don't. I know I couldn't do the alphabet backwards after a weeks study, because the alphabet forwards is ingrained in your brain from the time you're about six. In fact, I'd probably have more luck doing it if I was drunk. In addition, 'notevenclose' using the google button to back up any statement is not plagiarism; albeit plagiarism being a pretty undefinable thing in the era of the net. It was used to back up an argument with some definitions; something 'caped crusader' has not yet endeavoured to do.
Also, 'caped crusader', I'm no lawyer but I would assume that any sobriety test would have checks and balances and one of them would be to require the copper to do, in principle, what you have been asked to do (as 'notevenclose' ascertains). You may quickly end up in the back of his car but, with stout heart and sure mind, and if sober, you'll scare the bejesus out of the little tin-hitler when all the facts are in at the station. The US is still not Mexico or some South American despotia, as yet I have heard.
If a copper asked you to do something like that in Australia (assuming you weren't drunk, of course) you would heartily laugh in his face and, whether or not the law provided solice, stubbornly say 'You do it first, then I will'.
What does this also say about sober law-abiding illiterate drivers?

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thats got to be the dumbest series of posts ive read on the imdb forums (draw your own conclusions). anyone who claims that the backwards alphabet test is "common" has obviously never been pulled over for dwi or simply has an innacurate, fundamentally flawed knowledge of the us legal system gleaned from television, movies, and stupid friends. do some research and get your facts straight before spouting your mouth off and making up crap off the top of your head about an unfounded urban myth thats obviously wrong. heres an idea: gather some empirical evidence tonight, take a little booze cruise and see what happens. then drive right into a tree.

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and you thought THEIR posts were the dumbest?

D Phanatic

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ahahahahahahahaha

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yeah, that's about when I started thinking something was fishy... step step bump bump bump 5 6 7 8

LOL

That was definitely funny

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Once I got pulled over and asked to do a field sobriety test, fortunately I was 100% sober (I think that the guy was pulling people over who were pulling out of a club at 2 am). I was asked to do heel toe walk, follow the finger, and recite the alphabet backwards. He looked at me funny when I recited it in a sing-song type way, but when I was little I listened to this kiddy music album that had that as part of a song and I memorized it. I think he wanted to give me a ticket for being such a dork. :)

FWIW I think it would be hard, but not impossible for an average individual to figure out on the fly while sober, if impaired it would likely be comical.

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this is a trick question. when the officer asks you to recite the alphabet backwards some people who are really drunk will explain before thinking "i cant even do that when im sober". its a common question asked though i doubt that not reciting it backwards will be warrant enough for an arrest or admittence. its to test your awareness skills and try to get an admission of guilt.

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this is the last time im gonna say it.

anyone who doesnt think that reciting the alphabet backwards is a common sobriety test is stupid, because they are wrong.

anyone disagree? please tell me ill be glad to show you your error.

thanks!!

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this is very possible. reciting the alphabet backwards is one of my many talents. i did think it was funny when he said i'd prefer a sobriety test. i was wondering the whole time he was doing it if he would mess up.

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reciting the alphabet backwards is a cognitive awareness test. like i said before its a trick question to trip up the person to see if he is thinking straight and coherently before he answers with a WTF. your motor skills are tested by the walking the straight line, touching nose, and standing on one foot. that is what the police care more about besides the breathlizer. no one is debating that it isn't a common soberity test but most police dont expect you to actually be able to recite it. its the motorskills test they are more concerned about. if you trip up on the cognitive awareness test with a "i cant even do that sober" then its an admittence of guilt and theres really no need to go forth with the motorskills test, which you would most likely have to do anyway. your not going to jail if you cant recite the alphabet backwards so its not an intergral part. hope this clears things up for you.

i too took a couple of minutes to learn how to recite the alphabet backwards just in case. i use it as a party trick in bars as well but you never know when you might need it and it comes in handy.

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"i use it as a party trick in bars as well but you never know when you might need it and it comes in handy."


From over the pond I find it sad to see Americans reduced to learn the alphabet backwards "just in case".
I hope it is an isolated case as you are obviously living in fear, EG: you aren't "free".

I'd laugh in his face and ask him to do it first, if not, he's drunk too.

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I memorized the alphabet backwards when I was six because people kept making me do it in kindergarten and harassed me a lot when I couldn't do it on the spot for their own amusement :D

So if I'm ever given this 'bogus' FST I sure will pass! I think I can do the alphabet better backwards than forwards because I've said it more times that way.

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Iszak, you wrote:
" I was asked to ..... recite the alphabet backwards. He looked at me funny when I recited it in a sing-song type way"

You sang it BACKWARDS in a sing-song manner? How did you manage that? It wouldn't work. I believe you have forgotton the facts. In the USA, a standard test is to recite only PART of the alphabet (say, from H to V) and they don't let you do it sing-song. Part of that test is seeing if the suspect remembers which letter to stop on.

I have friends that are cops in NY and NJ, and both say the backwards alphabet is not used anywhere in the US. I couldn't do it sober, without stopping many times, and I have an extrtemely high IQ. It's just something that I can't do, even though I can repeat a string of about ten random numbers back to you after you say them.

The backwards counting test IS done, but that is very unfair, IMO, as it is more of an intelligence test. I was once stupidly driving waaaaay past my limit and got pulled over. they gave me the "backwards counting" test. I passed (just barely) because my high IQ saved my butt. (excellent concentration) I SHOULD have lost my license.
BTW, they also gave me the "lift one leg" test, which I also passed because I an an experience practicioner of Yoga and Tai Chi.

In the same way, Helenz-1 would pass the "backwards alphabet" test even if drunk, while I would fail it even if sober.

life is unfair. Heck, we have a trained chimpanzee in the whitehouse. What can you do?

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I've been pulled over more times than I can accurately count, and I've definitely been asked to recite the alphabet backwards more than once. They don't seem to actually expect you to do it, though. It seems to be more about how you answer as opposed to what you answer with. But then again, I have an excellent habit of sweet talking my way out of legal trouble, so I'm not a great control to this experiment.

I've since simply memorized the backwards alphabet, but I'm sure a cop can tell that you're reciting from memory and not actually thinking on it too much.

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Pay attention everyone, this guy has an Extremely High IQ.

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"I memorized the alphabet backwards when I was six because people kept making me do it in kindergarten and harassed me a lot when I couldn't do it on the spot for their own amusement :D I think I can do the alphabet better backwards than forwards because I've said it more times that way."


so by this you are the living proof that being able to do it doesn't prove that you aren't drunk, just that you got bullied into memorizing it when you were six.

Isn't it sad that you'd get away while I (that fought bullies with teeth and nails) would probably end up in the back of their car for laughing my head off at the little hitler?
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Although it apparently seems absurd to a lot of people, and it definitely isn't part of a real sobriety test, there ARE officers who will ask you to recite the alphabet backyards. And I'm sure there's even more rediculous requests than that.

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You mean, like, how to spell 'ridiculous'?

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No, I think he's referring to correcting someone's spelling, and thinking you've actually contributed something meaningful to the conversation.

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i did an internship at a police station one semester, and the officers were talking about drunk stops and FST, and after one of the guys who was stopped was clearly shown to be intoxicated, they asked him if Mickey Mouse was a cat or a dog. so yes, there are more ridiculous requests made. it was pretty funny though.

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Alphabet backwards is easy! Watch...

zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba!

I promise I typed that from memory in like 5 seconds!

I know, I know, stupid post, but I can do abc's backwards...I was drinking with some freinds and watching a boring movie, so I just sat there and worked at it for about 30 minutes until I had it.

Even if a cop asked me to do it, which I kind of doubt they would, I am not deluded enough to think it would help me get out of a ticket. Not that I'd have to worry anyway - I don't ever drink and drive...

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The point, KingPretz, is not that it took you 5 seconds to type it backwards but 30 minutes to practice same beforehand. No self respecting cop will give you 30 minutes study time although this is a moot point because I don't believe any cop would ever ask you to do it.

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I know - as I said in my post, I don't even think a cop would ask me to recite, and if he did, and I'd been drinking, being able to recite ABC's backwards would not help me get out of trouble.

I was joking, because even if I couldn't recite alphabet backwards (which I happen to be able to, but cannot prove it on a message board), I could very easily type it in on the computer...

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You were JOKING!!!! I'm disappointed. But I'll give you a chance. Start typinnnnnngggggg..............................................NOW.

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I am pleasantly surprised at the number of comments posted since the last time I was on this board.
I was beginning to think that I was the only one out there who didn't think that reciting the alphabet backwards was logical.
Haven't seen anything from CapedCrusader lately, so I guess he gave up or is either gathering evidence against me.
Thanks to everyone who has come out in my defense.

"I am not a number. I am a person."

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No-one has answered my query as yet.

'So obviously, the 'sobriety test' per se revolves around a legal argument or loss of rights issue. Is that correct or could someone explain it to me?'

Just reminding any Americans out there? I'm actually interested.

PS notevenclose: Caped Crusader is busy bebunking yaks milk sobriety tests in outer Mongolia and South-eastern Tibet as we speak.
'I'm tellin' ya, the coppers in Tibet need you to recite the seventeen spring rivers running into the Yanghtze backwards before you and your yak are goin' anywhere.'

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I wrote bebunking instead of debunking. Billy me!

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I am not American but I studied law and in my country the concerns with alcohol tests are;
-That you are forced to incriminate yourself.
-That having to be submitted to a breath or blood test goes against your rights to privacy and dignity.
Besides having some amount of alcohol in your body is not the crime the crime is the alcohol affecting your driving so the coordination and physical tests are more to the point. In theory, you could drink a lot and if you drive perfectly it´s not a crime. That doesn´t mean is legal they could revoke your license and fine you , but not put you into jail.

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good point ucalderonagosto, but i would tend to disagree with you on what exactly the crime is according to the law. states have a certain level (i think usually .05%) of alcohol you can legally drive with, regardless if your driving is effected. in fact, you could technically be under the allowed amount and yet be driving dangerous and that is not illegal. so, it is based on the alcohol, but i do agree that you shouldn't be forced to incriminate yourself on the one hand, but on the other hand drunk driving takes so many innocent lives that i think people should have to take a breathilizer (spelling?). if you're innocent you will pass and if not then you deserve to go to jail. i don't think this is a misjustice at all.

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I was referring to my country´s law in response to someone asking about the concerns with the tests, but I don´t know about the US. Here there is a very clear distinction between administrative and criminal offences. The level of alcohol would be an administrative offence and you could be fined and be deprived of your license even if driving perfectly. Driving under the influence (meaning the alcohol affecting your driving) would be the criminal offence and you could go to jail, but the alcohol test would just be an evidence, not the crime itself.
I didn´t put my opinion before but I agree with you. The damage to the individual rights (privacy and dignity) is just not important enough when balanced with the many lives at stake.

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