Dale and the murders


I thought this was a pretty good movie but was a little confused about it. Maybe I missed something but does it ever really say why Dale murdered his family? I know he said something about his wife being a slut but was this explained. And what was up with the naked pictures that Dennis Qaid found? Was that Dale's wife or daughter? I just feel like alot of things weren't explained. We know that Dale was in prison for some kind of car accident but what did that have to do with anything. If anyone can fill me in please let me know.

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his wife was messing around and he found out his children weren't his.

~Kelsey
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Thanks!! I thought his wife was cheating but I still don't get what the naked pictures were. It justs seems like there were alot of things they could have made alot clearer. When Dale was talking to his father you could kind of get that maybe the dad was abusive but you don't know for sure. I wish they could have delved a little more into that relationship and told more about why the murders happened.

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his wife was messing around, the kids were not his, and he was incopetent (we found out about this towards the end, when dale kills his father).

again, funny movie

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If he was incompetent how come he was having sex with that chick in the trailer?

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maybe they mean he cannot have children becouse his "semen" is bad?!?!

i cannot find another explanation, cause his own father says he is incopetent anyway


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He was STERILE - not impotent or incompetent :)

Anyway, a really crappy movie.

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"he was incopetent"
I don't know what that means---are you trying to say "impotent"?
(personally, I couldn't watch this "movie" long enough to find out)



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incompetent

1. Inadequate for or unsuited to a particular purpose or application.
2. Incapable of proper functioning.

~Kelsey
Look me in the eye and tell me you don't find me attractive-Where Does The Good Go?

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But there is a surprise at the end. If you haven't already. check out the deleted scenes - there was an alternate ending. When Ruby lays the rose @ Dale's grave. she looks @ the house then turns to leave, as she is walking. the camera pulls back and she is pregnant wheeling Annie ( her sister) away in her wheelchair.


Also. There is a different ending for Lea and Cooper. They are interviewed about the book she wrote about their experience in the house!

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i thought the reason why dale killed his family becuse his wife was gonna leave him and take the kids?

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Then why would he kill his kids? Why not just kill her if that was the problem.

~Kelsey
Look me in the eye and tell me you don't find me attractive-Where Does The Good Go?

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when i first watch the movie dales dad said to him she was going to leave him and take the kids my guess is he just went nuts and killed them all

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I think he killed the kids too because he thought they were his and they turned out to be from some other guy - maybe the guy he hit with his car? I didn't figure that out while watching the film, just afterwards.

This film had good potential.

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That's a GOOD theory!

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I'm going to put together what everyone said in this thread because they never come out and mention the entire reason.

1. He found out his wife was a slut and slept with every man in town.
2. He found out his children weren't really his. This is a combination of the first reason combined with the fact that Dale can't reproduce.
3. After he found this out his wife threatened to leave him and take the kids. (kind of typical of the divorce system in my mind...)

He already has a background of neglect - given his father's ill temper. He also has a background of violence due the history of the killing on the farm. Therefore, he gets upset and kills her and the kids. The reasons for why he decided to kill the kids could probably be one of two (or both):

1. He decided since the kids weren't his he had no reason to care for them. Not to mention, in his state of mind, he could have seem them as a symbol of the wife's betrayal.
2. He was probably afraid if he tried to put her in the Devil's throat the kids may one day come across her body. Him living by himself on the land would ensure that no one else would find her body.

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Jelligraze is mostly right, but here's my little theory as to why the kids were probably killed (Given the reasons for the wife's death, I can see why he would kill her):

The wife slept with everyone in the town, and his history of violence, Dale probably snapped when he found out they were his (though I don't see why he was surprised...he knows he's incapable of reproducing) and wanted to get even with her as best he could. It never really says what order they were killed in, so I figure he was just blinded with his want to get even, and didn't care what he did to who. In this state he could've killed the kids in front of his wife, knowing how much it would devastate her.

That's my little theory, anyway. To answer the question's as to why he killed her(even though they've already been answered):
He was furious at his wife for cheating, and just snapped.
It's possible he snapped AFTER she told him he was leaving him and taking the kids. This could be that he'd found out about her cheating, and (possibly) forgave her, then exploded when she decided to leave him. This is one of the most probable situations.
And the kids I explained before.

There ya go. *nod nod*

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Therefore I live.
Harvesting the land...
Taking of the fallen lamb.

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I would take on the assumption that Dale didn't know he was sterile, and so therefore while he wife was pregnant he assumed they were his.

Then one day he goes to his doctor and through some sort of medical exam finds out he is sterile, then realizes his wife is a tramp and murders her and the bastards he's been raising, which double to serve as a reminder of not only his wife's infidelities, but his own short-comings (okay, no pun intended to all the pervs). It probably caused him to feel emasculated.

That's the conclusion I'd draw up for myself since it is not detailed in the film how Dale discovers he's unable to reproduce. It was no biggie--I just decided to use my imagination :)

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Dale's supposed sterility is only implied by Dale's father. If you watch the alternate ending, you'll see that Juliette Lewis's character is pregnant.

My impression was that Dale knew the children weren't his-- that his wife's two children came along with the marriage.

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i agree...a few things could have been explained more. also, did they ever say what happened to his family? i mean 3 people missing?? what? i'm confused. first i thought she just left him. then what about the manslaughter charge? was that someone else's accident? all in all, i really think this was a good movie. it wasn't too gory and i liked the scenery, lighting, etc. kinda surprised at the low rating though. also, was the dad talking about his wife's being a man whore too and that's why he wouldn't amount to anything?

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The movie wasn't great, but sometimes I just enjoy certain actors walking and talking and delivering lines, and I don't expect much. I like Mr. Quaid, Dorff and Ms. Stone and even Juliette (wow, she's aged, that's mean I know, but jeez, she's lost all her appeal to me) so I liked the movie for that fact.

Something I caught that I don't see anyone else mentioning, which would explain a lot, I got this from the very last shot, where the house seems kind of menacing and after the seemingly peaceful "Cooper" is driven to homicide (justified, perhaps, but killing none-the-less)- I thought perhaps it was supposed to be that the HOUSE was evil, had driven Dale to kill his family and had worked on Cooper and his wife as well, and that the end was a fore-shadow that perhaps Cooper would eventually go insane and kill HIS family as well.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but it would explain a lot. There were shots of the house that looked sinister as well, to me, like when they are playing in the pool and Dale is mowing the lawn, it's like the house is a presence.

Seems like director Figgis could have made more out of this, though, if true. It would also explain the girl putting flowers on Dale's grave, he was a victim of the house also, not the malefactor he seemed.

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TBH there was a few things i wondered about throughout the movie. Most noticeable was the dilapidated state of the house mixed in with the timeline.

Dale was sent away for manslaughter....are we ever actually told how long for? It has to be at least a few years right? At least in the UK it would be. If it were only 18 months or so, that would explain why Dale was still in possession of the property when they trespassed (if you remember he said he didnt press charges and that he still owned the land when they did so) but it wouldnt explain the state the house was in.

The state the house was in gives the impression that it was empty maybe 5 years or even longer.....if this was the case, why did the bank wait so long to sell it? Here you miss 2 or 3 mortgage payments and they'll be on your ass.

I think the weapon he used on his family was one of the killing hammers.....it's said during the film theres "one missing". If it was, it gives the impression he killed the wife and kids in a rage, as we see the retainer and what is supposed to be teeth (looks more like teeth shaped pebbles to me), if he had used the side that pierces the brain, her teeth wouldnt have been knocked out. So he must've used the blunt end.

Throughout the film I tried to ascertain whether the character of Dale would be a sociopath or a psychopath. He displays a good deal of characteristics for both.

As for the dad.....why on earth would he stay quiet for years and then tell a random person that his son had killed his family? I think sometimes, in trying to keep a "reveal" till a good part in the storyline contradicts with making a story believable.

Shamefully, they could have done so much better if they'd put a little more effort into it.

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The film seemed to have been edited so badly as to ruin the continuity.

The denture guard, did Sheriff Ferguson ever get anywhere with that ?

The Killings.. Dale would have had to kill the children, They could easily go to the Sheriff and make claims against Dale. They could have been witness to the event.

The change on the bar owners friendliness while Cooper was in the bar.. big and effusive welcome but in the bar almost silent..

The voice on the radio... Dale must have attacked the Sheriff in her office, How did he know to take the radio....???? the reply to Cooper was in her voice but Dale appears from the woods in her cape and hat.... and all the time Ruby was waiting outside her sister's office.

Which... surely Ruby would have heard her sister moaning.. Nobody walked into her office for paperwork or messages... strange.

The conversation with Dale and Dale's murder of his father.... No reaction or comments from the nurse? No doctor's presence...Patient suddenly dies while Dale is in the room. No nothing.. But, I liked the spiteful remark to Massie senior..... "man's bought cold creek manor".. That didn't help his blood pressure

Who would have been strongest on the roof.. Dale in his maniacal rage or Leah..holding onto the roof.... .... the plot line suffered badly and made for a very weak and un-substantive story line.

The film centred around the three main stars... with detrimental effect on the story line....why did Leah admit to the incident with Miller.. on the plane but had rushed home because of Jesse accident. Why didn't she ring home earlier... ???

A potentially good movie ruined by bad editing and bad direction

LOL just as an aside... Leah in the Pool Wooo lots of cleavage but a later shot in the small Family grave yard... nothing... well almost ... Inflatable??????

LOL



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Well Dale said it was 3 years, which was stupid to not talk abt this accident a lil, they mentioned the accident but never revealed anything abt it
and also I agree with whoever said the cheating thing shouldn't be on the movie, at least she didn't apologize for it and only apologized for not believing Cooper
not showing what happened to the Sherrif was also a mistake
and I wonder why Ruby would put a rose on his grave after what he did to her sis!
the movie was ok, not gonna watching it again though.

"It is never about what happened, it is only how you look at it!"

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I am sorry thst no one responded to your question about the photos. I did not get a good look at that scene to decide who they were, but I suspect that one of the shots was of the wife, with her bra pulled apart. (On the other hand she did look quite young.) I had the impression that the children were much younger, and there were some photos that looked questionable that way. Overall, I am sorry that the movie did not do more with this story line or in fact with all the other weirdness of the house including the book that the children found and the Devil's Throat business -- a lot of lost opportunities.

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In the scene where Dale kills his father and says that his wife was doing it with everyone, I kinda got the impression that his father had also been sleeping with her. The way Dale repeats "with EVERYONE" could make it seem that way. Maybe his father took the pictures?

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