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Bright interpretation (spoilers)


Am I the only one who thinks this movie had a happy ending?

Here we have three stories of love & death. In the first two, we have identical stories where one lover is killed, leaving the other in solitude, confusion and sadness. These two sub-stories were the tragedies.

But in the main story, we see that the two lovers remain together, bound literally and figuratively, up to the moment of death. Death comes just after their "reconciliation" (very tactfully done, not overt or cheesy). Their death is beautiful, as Kitano conveys with the gorgeous sunrise finale, as well as the two smiling dolls.

True, it's not happy in the Hollywood sense, but this way is much more realistic, philosophical and satisfying. Any thoughts?

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I felt exactly the same way. In a poetical way it is a happy ending. I see the movie as the chatartical travel of the 2 main-characters. The other stories are merely things that happen arround them. Showing us these things Kitano emphatizes the deep love and guilt between the main characters,...wich finally find each other, although they are destined to die.

A sort of happy ending after all

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I don't think the ending is very happy. Yes they die together but I find that they were doomed to begin with. And the people they encounter are dragged down with them.

The Dolls at the end arent smiling. As you notice there's a similarity between the finale of the Bunraku play and the 2 main charecters. They essentially meet the same tragic end.
The humans are basically puppets in a horrible play called life where fate is set. Just like the play with the puppets. That's the irony of the movie. That's also why the puppets are portrayed as humans watching humans being portrayed as puppets.

Life mimics art and vice versa.

anyway that's my view on the movie. This also reflects Kitano's statement. He said that this movie, while not containing a great amount of violence, is the most cruel/violent movie he ever made.

it's my view. it may not be correct but it makes sense to me. All in all beautiful movie.

Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

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Good point, Nephilim. Also, are you by any chance a Xenosaga fan? Just curious.

"Creasy's art is death. He's about to paint his masterpiece." Christopher Walken, Man on Fire

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Hey, I just stumbled on a Takeshi Kitano interview that reinforces my "happy end" theory.

"The reason why modern Japanese and Westerners loathe the notion of death so much is beyond me. There really is no reason to loathe death ..."


So, obviously, just because they die at the end, it doesn't mean it's a tragic ending. Pay close attention to this next statement of his:

...there certainly is another side to the tragic surface of DOLLS. It seems as if DOLLS seesaws between the two. How you perceive this film can considerably differ depending on the position where you stand, your mental state, etc. DOLLS can be perceived completely differently by each person.


There you have it. Feel free to interpret the movie as a horrible tragedy, or alternately, as a triumph. He clearly means to allow for both!

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It's a bit much to wonder 'why people loathe death'. At the very least you aren't around to enjoy life anymore. Isn't that enough of a reason? Sounds very arty farty to me.

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I'm not sure I'd call the situation for the beggar couple, Matsumoto and Sawako, a happy ending in any way, nor is their death beautiful-- the way they're suspended from the branch, with necks snapped after presumably having committed suicide like that, is frankly rather ugly. Furthermore, it's not like things are great for the other two. The pop idol, whose obsessed fan blinded himself and was killed on the road like that-- her career is ruined, her face severely damaged (plastic surgery does get better, but...), she's basically miserable. The Yakuza woman, she did survive I guess, but she's been waiting something like 3 decades, and the guy she thought she loved turns out to have been a murderous crime boss (even if he doesn't convey that immediately).

I thought the film was very, very good but not great-- sort of a 7 out of 10, and it's because I thought, among other things, that Kitano was being a bit too obvious and overt with the way he was displaying things here. Basically, 3 members of each "couple" did extreme things for their love-- Matsumoto runs away from his arranged wife to get Sawako out of the mental hospital after she's presumably OD'd on so many pills that she's suffered severe brain damage, Nukui blinds himself for Haruna, and the woman who loved the Yakuza, kept going to that bench for some 30-odd years. Many of the characters are suicidal-- in the case of Matsumoto and Sawako, both are, although Matsumoto commits suicide (with Sawako off the cliff) *because* Sawaka had attempted it herself before. Nukui is of course suicidal himself.

As I was writing elsewhere, if you look at the characters in a literal way-- they have, uh, issues. The "extreme love" they have here isn't beautiful in any way, and I think Kitano was communicating that, contrasting the excessive love with the beautiful surroundings. The extreme love of the characters here actually does them, and sometimes others, grievous harm-- it's a sort of obsessive love that's beyond anything that's truly beautiful. All 3 stories are compelling, but the one I found to be most moving, was the Yakuza one, since in this case the Yakuza boss's "suicidal tendencies" were more a matter of repentance for his own history of crime and murder, although even here, I wish Kitano had been more subtle about it.

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I agree that each person was overly obsessive, but I didn't really interpret any of the characters as being suicidal at all (except for Sawako at the beginning, obviously). I think if you watch it again, you'll see that the cliff was an accident. The camera shows plainly that Matsumoto's foot slipped on the ice, just like earlier in the movie when the two of them are walking by the seaside. To me, it was just another very Kitano-esque twist of fate coming out of the blue (see Scene at the Sea and Kidzu Ritan for other examples of this).

If it were indeed a suicide, then I'd agree with you that it was a very bleak ending. But I'm convinced that their deaths just happened to occur at that moment, which was actually their finest moment throughout the whole film. As I cited in an earlier post, Kitano said in an interview that he does not see death as a bad thing, unlike the western perception. With this view, we see that the circumstances of death are trivial compared to what is in their hearts at the time of death. Only the observer feels the tragedy.

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I wouldn't call it a happy ending. However I thought it was very beautiful and powerful, definitely satisfying.

"Most men complacently accept 'knowledge' as 'truth'. They are sheep, ruled by fear."

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I think Kitano wants to show us the nature of being part of it..

Have they really died? I don't know, does it matter? They would anyway for is it not the nature of the living.. what really concerns me is the fact that they where together at the end and more important was the rope/bond that prevented them from falling, so aparently they where saved by their connection and yes, this occured imediatly after they cleaned their love. Have they commited (or try to) suicide? If so then it seemed to be a very romantic thing..

Doesn't matter if the end was happy/sad, what cares is that you felt something and you made your point and perheaps a unique one.

Of corse this is an utopic move, drown in phantasy where the bridge beetween our world and kitano's may be impossible for some.

By the way.. exelent photo work, beyond any i've ever seen.

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As kitano said, some of the decisions that the characters made were really stupid, but i think that they are stupid if you see them from an oustide point of view or even a selfish point of view.
I bet that a lot of guys that saw the movie were like "i would never have left the position of being the son in law with the president of the company and sacrifice it for the girl that attempted suicide becuase of me" or "blind myself so that i could be next to the person that i admire" or "wait for the love of my life 30 something years".
Even if they do seem stupid, i think they worked out fine becuase they were made out of love, i mean for the lady that waited so long, he ended up showing, and for the fan, he ended up being with her, and the bound beggars they ended being together as well, but i do understand the decisions that they made and why they made them, and i love this movie so much becuase of it !!!!!!!!!!

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I took something else away from the ending of the film, I'm sure greater minds than mine have put forward this theory already but, here goes...
Matsumoto & Sawako eventually achieve some resolution when she acknowledges their love again by holding the pendant. They then run off, fall, and are left suspended off a branch over a cliff.
This said to me that they could either a) not cut the rope and die together or b) cut the rope and also die (from the fall) but apart from each other.

Or is that so obvious that no-one has even bothered to mention it?

Lovely flim.

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i don't even think they're dead at the end...i think it's up in the air. first of all, i think it was definitely an accident. sawako slips and matsumoto tumbles after her, and then the scene cuts away, and then you see later that the red cord has caught on the branch, perhaps actually saving them. the sun comes up, which seems like there's a little bit of hope. i dunno, maybe they're dead. their backs do look bent at an angle i'm not sure is possible, but i don't think the fall would have broken their necks, as someone else had mentioned, because the ropes were around their waists. also, sawako's eyes are closed, which seems unusual; were she dead, i'd expect a wide-eyed, far-off, glassy look. matsumoto is questionable--his eyes really don't seem to move at all, but it could just be a long take of him in thought, contemplating the end or perhaps a way to escape. i dunno. i haven't heard takeshi's commentary on the movie, but i was just throwing that out there.

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My feeling was similar. I thought it was symbolism that the tether actually made them strong than being separate beings. In the sense that being a couple gives you additional strength than being two single people.

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I really like that take on it!

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I somewhat agree. This movie is bittersweet by every definition of the word. While death is often considered to be bleak and desolate by most Westerner's and atheists, it is indeed inevitable and a tough subject that must be approached. I applaud Kitano for facing the subject and presenting it in such an immediate, somewhat unexpected way, which is often how death is in actuality.

However, one observation I would like to share is this. While (conceivably) all of the relationships have been terminated by death in one way or another, you must admit that the characters are almost as happy as they can be in their situation.

Hiro (Yakuza) and Ryoko (Woman in the park)
Ryoko is happy because she has finally met what she believes to be her replacement. Sure, she will be sad when he does not return after being killed, but she is most likely experiencing the happiest moment in her past decades of waiting for a companion. Hiro is killed after making contact with his long lost love.

Haruna (Pop-star) and Nukui (obsessed fan)
Haruna, while sad because of her spoiled career, is happy because she met someone who she should share companionship with, which she previously thought was impossible after her accident. Nukui, who's dream was to be with Haruna, has finally created the opportunity and possibility to be with his idol. His life ends unexpectedly while he is no doubt on cloud 9.

Sawako and Matsumoto
While the film never reveals their death, their circumstance is rather dire. However, this comes at a moment when they have finally come to peace with what has happened and rediscovered their love, which is now set to be seemingly eternal, in death.

While death can be a scary, uncertain thing, how many of us would like to go when we've just discovered that euphoric state of new love? I can't think of a more exciting, moving thing than new, fresh love.

This is just a rough interpretation of what I believe is occurring in the film, which is very easy to overlook. Whether or not it was intended by Kitano is up for debate, but in my mind, there is no doubt that more than half of the characters meet their end, while they are their happiest.

I'd love to hear what all of you think of my interpretation.

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******MAJOR SPOILERS*******

The ending is indeed open to interpretation but according to mine -and presumably Kitano's- it is not merely a happy ending, it is blissful one.

The way I viewed this film is this : we see three stories of three couples. The two couples "failed", but the third one eventually "succeeded" - at the very last moment. Succeeded in what? Well..in mastering absolute love and thus conquering death; not just their own, everyone's. The hanging from the tree is merely a symbolism of this triumph over death, the "ascension to heaven"(both of the body and spirit); which I firmly believe can only be done through erotic love. This is not for everyone to understand. Kitano uses the ancient Greek implicit narrating style that Socrates and Heracletus loved to use. Because some things cannot be said explicitly. This is actually the exact same ending of many films. The fist that come to mind are : Tom Tykwer's "Heaven" (released in the same year), the french "Love Me If You Dare - Jeux d'enfants"* (2003), "Next Stop Wonderland" (1998) and more recently "Vanishing on 7th Street"(2010), the last two both from Brad Anderson. All these end up with a couple, a neoAdam and neoEve,thus reversing the Fall of Man.
(I am actually non-religious, I'm just using the Fall, Heaven etc for their symbolic power)

* I remember that in this film there was the exact same discussion "Did the live or did they die? What did the director mean?"
No my friends, they definitely lived, and they became immortal, "immortalizing" everyone.
Blessed is the first couple that one day will achieve what they achieved.
Please, intellect is a fine tool but it was not given to us to strangle our imagination and emotions with it.

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Yes , it was a happy ending to a beginning. Catharsis & eventual liberation. While through the movie , it was the restitution by Matsumoto for Sawako's tragedy by going through tremendous pain & suffering himself YET sticking by that 'holy bond'. A naive decision overpowered upon him by his parents & his subsequent failure to rebuke it.

As per meta-physics , their soul is liberated from the cycle of life & death signified & beautifully potrayed through pristine sunset by Kitano. It was coming as Sawako had finally got to her senses near that hotel realising the extreme lament (which had made him a virtual zombie) Mastsumato went through for her(true love) to keep that bond. Soul-mates

Glory , pride & fortune (evil-3) are fleeting. Personified as traces of grains of sands , which are continuously trampled upon by 'soul-mates' as conveyed in start of the movie through the puppet dolls play.

Other two sub-stories fell-short because of it i presume. The pop-singer & groupie story led to groupie's honest but befuddled & misguided decision to go blind which eventually led to his untimely death and regret. Pop-star was mainly concerned about her 'fortune' & 'glory' (remember she was still holding onto the notion of shutting herself away from fans) And there was no commitment bond between those two , it was one sided kinda masked by 'evil 3'

About the Yakuza boss & his gf , probably 'pride' & 'glory' kept him from really seeking her . Also they weren't engaged like the main couple . He was a boss , i dont think it was difficult for him to locate her but he was submerged under those 3 evils sleeping around with all the tramps he can as insinuated. Regardless the hubris , he eventually meets her when he is 'OLD' but still the hubris keeps him from admitting to that committed soul seeking only his love to the very end. Eventually he is dozed off.

The dolls in the play only signifies true love who are oblivious to those '3 evils' , remember matsumato & sawako donned those doll costumes after ardous journey signifying they had reached the end and eventual liberation.

While the play goes on for other characters..

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Your interpretation is great, soulsqealer!

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Thanks Rainer90 , appreciate it 

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A very thoughtful interpretation Soul_Snatcher. Do you think they only liberated themselves or everyone?

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Thanks Korios , appreciate it. I think they liberate themselves (pristine sunset signifies , also those costumes they wore juxtaposed with those of dolls in the play); they overcame the 3-evils which first devoured them but with persistence of inordinate true love , they managed that but other stories fell-short. So the play goes on as signified in the ending for other characters until they achieve catharsis or moksha from those attachments which plummet them into reiteration of life<->death cycle. I hope that helps .


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Are you sure they even died? It appears that I am even more optimistic, as I saw the ending as an allegory of the third couple managing to overcome - transcend death with their true love. The third couple clearly succeeded where the other two couples failed : their love was broken but in the very end it was mended.

It was made quite clear that the couple that was hanged(?) had the ideal love : pure, unsullied and innocent to the point of being childish (the beach prank was meant to highlight that), just as love should be. Their love was tested, was almost broken, but in the very end, unlike the other two couples, it was mended (when the girl regained her senses).

I believe their hanging was not a Romeo & Juliet act but a symbolism for their transcendence of death. It's possible that they shed their flesh in the process, aka that they transcended death only at a spiritual level, but I think Kitano meant that they managed to do what no couple had done before, they sort of nirvaned each other.

p.s. I just noticed that I gave a similar reply in this thread about 4 years ago..

Fanboy : a person who does not think while watching.

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