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How would you ranks the segments?


I just saw this film today (playing 4 days only at one of the arts theatres here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada!). Wow! Very powerful stuff!

I'm not sure how I'd rank them, but my favourites were the Burkina Faso, American, French, Israeli, Bosnian, Mexican ones. All of them were really good, but the weakest of them all was the Japanese one. I don't think its message was clear enough (it was only at the very last second did you know what it was trying to say) and the image of the guy eating the rat is enough to make you puke! Yipes!

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Ken Loach's one, about Chile, was good...

But the Burkina Faso one was most enjoyable, even though it had dark undertones (only way they can get their mother well is to try to catch a murderer etc).

Israeli one was usual Zionist propaganda. I liked Egyptian one, which tried to show the Palestinian side of the argument.

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Zionist propaganda? How exactly?

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Zionist propaganda?? Are you kidding?! What was so zionistic in this segment??

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1 Alejandro González Iñárritu - Mexico
2 Ken Loach - UK
3 Samira Makhmalbaf - Iran
4 Idrissa Ouedraogo - Burkina-Faso
5 Claude Lelouch - France
6 Mira Nair - India
7 Sean Penn - USA
9 Danis Tanovic - Bosnia-Herzegovina
8 Shohei Imamura - Japan
10 Amos Gitai - Israel
11 Youssef Chahine - Egypt

The Egypt segment may deserve better but it had a lot of dialog and bad subtitles so I didn't really understand it.

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1. Ken Loach - UK 10/10
2. Shohei Imamura - Japan 8/10
3. Idrissa Ouedraogo - Burkina-Faso 8/10
4. Samira Makhmalbaf - Iran 8/10
5. Danis Tanovic - Bosnia-Herzegovina 6/10
6. Mira Nair - India 6/10
7. Sean Penn - USA 6/10
8. Amos Gitai - Israel 5/10
9. Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu - Mexico 5/10
10. Claude Lelouch - France 2/10
11. Youssef Chahine - Egypt 2/10

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1 Shohei Imamura - Japan
2 Ken Loach - UK
3 Samira Makhmalbaf - Iran
4 Idrissa Ouedraogo - Burkina-Faso
5 Claude Lelouch - France
6 Mira Nair - India
7 Sean Penn - USA
10 Amos Gitai - Israel
9 Danis Tanovic - Bosnia-Herzegovina
10 Youssef Chahine - Egypt
11 Alejandro González Iñárritu - Mexico

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1)Mexico
2)Burkina-Faso
3)Iran
4)France
5)Israel
6)UK
7)India
8)Egypt
9)Japan
10)Bosnia-Herzegovina
11)USA

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Mexico is the best!!!


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I'll put it like this (the sub-selections are in no particular order):

Really good ones: India, USA, Mexico, Burkina-Faso.

Great but not perfect: UK, France.

Middle-fare: Japan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Israel.

Pretty Bad: Egypt, Iran.

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1) France 9.7/10
2) Mexico 9.5/10
3) Burkina Faso 9/10
4) Iran 8.5/10
5) USA 7/10
6-11) other countries, average of 5/10

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GOOD
Mexico
UK
France

DECENT
Bosnia
USA
Iran

AWFUL
India
Japon
Burkina Faso
Egypt
Israel

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1. USA (great visuals, consise, moving)
2. France
3. Mexico (powerful and chilling)
4. Iran (the shot with the smoking tower was a stunner)
5. Burkina Faso
6. UK
7. Bosnia (showed a new perspective)
8. Japan
9. Egypt (only beat Israel because it was truthful)
10. India (i knew there'd be one about muslim profiling)
11. Israel

-I was very surprised the US one wasn't for politics or pity (which would have ranked itself with Israel).

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Alejandro González Iñárritu - Mexico
Claude Lelouch - France
Ken Loach - UK
Mira Nair - India
Shohei Imamura - Japan
Samira Makhmalbaf - Iran
Idrissa Ouedraogo - Burkina-Faso
Danis Tanovic - Bosnia-Herzegovina
Sean Penn - USA
Youssef Chahine - Egypt
Amos Gitai - Israel

Of the weakest three: There were elements to all of them that I enjoyed (except perhaps Israel, I do not see the point of recreating a terrorist attack so that it looks like it slid of Prime Time American Television...it was far too artificial to have any emotional impact). Chahine's was confused and weak (and it was kind of ugly visually), but it at least made a couple of good, perhaps controversial, points. Penn is a very strong director (see the Pledge or even the Crossing Guard for strong/heavy performances), but I felt he really blew this one - it seemed trite, self-indulgent, overproduced/stylized and flashy. It did have some impact at the end when I realized what had just happened (and what it was trying to say), but overall I didn't enjoy sitting through it.

Tanovic's piece was a bit of a disappointment because I enjoyed No Man's Land so thoroughly. His piece was not really weak; it just felt terribly out of place.

Ouedraogo brought some much-needed levity to the film - it was very welcome.

I am also a fan or Makhmalbaf films, so I accepted the quiet, but important images of her piece.

Imamura gave some interesting images - the snake at the end was priceless (it was, for me, one of the most lasting images/messages of the film). I do have a soft spot for Japanese cinema though; I may be more accustomed to the language of their films (I don't mean Japanese). Overall it wasn't great, but I still enjoyed it.

Nair's film was a very standard, but strong telling of an important story.

Loach's may have been the most important for the general American public to witness. Very well done short documentary.

Lelouch and Iñárritu were pretty much perfect as far I am concerned.















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except perhaps Israel, I do not see the point of recreating a terrorist attack so that it looks like it slid of Prime Time American Television...it was far too artificial to have any emotional impact

For you, maybe, you haven't been in one...

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BEST: The Mexican one. While the other ones were mostly good, the director knew that the events were powerful enough to represent themselves. The images of the falling bodies and the sounds of the newscasts, phone calls, etc. were horrifying.

WORST: The Israeli one. It portrayed the chaos very well, but in the end seemed to be trying to get viewers to sympathize more with the attacks Israelis face rather than make a commentary on 9-11.

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My wife and I (in California, USA) watched this DVD and agreed on which segments we liked and disliked. We are surprised by the lack of appreciation shown in this forum to the segments representing Iran and Burkina-Faso, which we felt were the two best of the collection. I think there is a sense that the Burkina-Faso film lacked gravity, and that may have been exactly what made it most powerful for me--the way children process world events and tailor them to their own lives (I'm reminded of Boorman's "Hope and Glory," in which war is shown to be a heck of a lot of fun!).

Here is a list of our favorites:

1. Iran
2. Burkina-Faso
3. Mexico
4. UK
5. France
6. Israel
7. Japan
8. Bosnia
9. US
10. Egypt
11. India

The Egyptian and Indian entries seemed hooked on platitudes and were overly literal (the latter was based on a true story, which explains a lot). The US entry was metaphorical to the point of being a cartoonish music video. The Bosnian entry is not particularly memorable, but I did like the feeling that something insurmountable was hanging over the characters' lives.

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I think the Mexican segment was one of the best short films I have ever seen. It was just pure genius.
That said, I disagree with hungerist. In my eyes Sean Penn's segment was similarly very clever. It was also profoundly moving AND intelligent.

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I agree; the perspective of children in the Iran and Burkina-Faso segments lent an unusual feel to both segments I found refreshing. I was reminded of Hope and Glory, but also of Children of Heaven (1997) and Forbidden Games (1952).

But I liked the UK segment the best. The sequence with Vega echoing the words of Bush: ("On this day ..., ememies of freedom attacked my country") was a powerful reminder to Americans like me that we should do better by other countries.



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I think the main problem with the Israeli one was that it really unclear what the message was. Was it to show that it what happened to the Americans once is common for us?

And to the guy who said it was a zionist propoganda, could you explain what you mean?

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1) israel- I thought this was the most thought provoking as we see how not only what other places in the world go through everyday, but also the competing interests of the media, government, and civilians.

2) mexico- with no dialog and using only real footage and audiotapes of people in the WTC, it creates a crushing effect- bringing back that day in a way none of the other films did. Yet I felt it wad rather 'cheap', in that it went in for raw emotionalism instead of bringing something to debate. But beautiful nonetheless. I think this should have opened the film instead.

3) burkino-faso- a surprisingly light-hearted short. It details a middle-schooler with a sick mother who stumbles upon Osama bin laden. With his friends he plans to capture him to get the reward money to treat his mother and save others from sickness. This entry is refreshing, playing out more like an adventure and comedy.

4) France- a touching story about a deaf-mute and her boyfriend. She is about to leave him when the WTC is attacked. While not really adding anything of worth to a political discourse nor to anything about love, it is still riveting. Almost entirely soundless, it hypnotizes you. The acting is particularly good.

5) USA- although I'm not quite sure what the meaning of the ending is...the actor is terrific. Penn's direction is too flashy for the understated story though. Really don't know why he was chosen.

6) Bosnia-Heregovina- Not memorable; isn't last because the others were worse.

7) Iran- it tried hard but in the end it's point fell flat.

8) Japan- doesn't really seem to have anything to do with the events of Sept. 11. And bizarre to boot.

9) UK- tried to get the audience to look at the US's own 'terrorist' actions. A plea for us to look w/in ouselves and see what we do to other nations...but I think this was not the best forum for it. Others would disagree and say it is necessary to the debate, and maybe that's so I just think it bordered on the disrespectful.

10) India- cliche script and acting.

11) Egypt- same as India, tried too hard to portray the other side. Not really a debate a much as a rant.

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