I wondered why they did not include Turkey? It is neither east nor west. It is the only muslim country without a religion-oriented system. And it has many talented directors like Nuri Bilge Ceylan ( Who won Cannes golden palm if i remember correctly. )
Any ideas?
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It's simple : because no eastern or western country like Turkey!
so.. there will be no interest in watching turkish-made parts for
any kind of such films.
This is a natural effect of turkish people bahavior, they want
to be like europians but no one in europe wants them, and because
of that no one in asia wants them either!
I do not believe it is as simple as Saum would like to present. 11'09"01 is not a simple review of different opinions from various countries, it is the opinions of artists and does not necessarily represent the opinion of the population of a country. The American piece, as well as the film from the UK, France or even Japan are examples of the distance between opinion of the director and our assumption of the possible tone or bias of a film.
There are many brilliant artists in this world, and all of them would have a different vision. I am sure all of them would create something extraordinary. Yet, selection has to be made and only few of them had an opportunity to do it. Attempting to give preference based on the political inclination or geopolitical location of a country would make the film too politically charged and it would lose its significance as a masterpiece.
At the same time, to single out Turkey as an <i>confused</i> country is a mistake as there are several other countries in the same region that are having identity crisis. However, due to their size, their miniscule economical significance in the eyes of the rest of the world, and many other issues, they are not currently in the center of attention. Immediate example would be three of the neighboring countries of Turkey - Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. All three are going through identity crisis. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the population of none of the three states have had a chance to identify themselves as Europeans, Asians or Middle-Eastern.
During Soviet rule they did not need to be identified as inhabitants of a specific continent, they were part of the large Soviet empire and that was enough. Many argue that one of the major roadblock for Turkey is religion. It somehow does not fit into the all-Christian club. If we judge according to this rule, Armenia and Georgia could easily be attached to Europe. However, would <i>true</i> Europeans really consider Armenia and Georgia part of <i>almighty</i> Europe? No. And, they would have many reasons they could and probably would use to prove that neither of two belong to Europe. But they certainly do not belong to the Middle East.
Even though none of the three are <i>re-established</i> states like Israel, they would not be welcomed into all-Muslim club. Even Azerbaijan, with Islam as the official religion is too secular. Azerbaijan may become the next Iraq if not treated with enough attention. It is a secular Islamic state with massive oil reserves and a tyrant in place who is willing to install his son as his successor.
Identity crisis is basically something that all Europe-Asia borderline states have. Identity crisis are not something unique to only Turkey. They occur all over the world, whether it be from colonialism, neo-colonialism or other multi-ethnic states.
We are Turkics, old nomads, warriors who carried their homes at the back of their horses. We don't really belong to anywhere. I can understand why old civilizations like Greece, Persians and Chinese hated -or still hate- us and I don't really care.
By the way:
"Turks want to be like Europeans"
You say this depending on what? And I doubt it if all Europeans look like each other.. We only respect the democracy and economic level Western Europe has reached and we find it as a good example in front of us, nothing more. We are very proud of our own values and history.
"From where the sun rises to where it sets all these lands are ours and we are masters of them all" -Genghis Khan
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i agree that the statement "Turks want to be like europeans" is bullshi t. Turks have always just wanted to be turkish and nothing more. I'm from Vienna and i've had several turkish friends throughout my life. and none of them would ever change their way of life just to fit in. like genghis_khan said, all Turkey ever liked about Europe is its economic and governmental principle.
and i really wouldve liked to see the 'Turkish' perspective on 9/11, because of their interesting situation.
No one likes Turkey? I thought the US administration liked Turkey very much when they wanted to send troops over there.
shareThe U.S. Administration likes Turkey? Not since they backed out of a deal cooperating with our invasion of Iraq. Refusing to let U.S. forces across their territory after having agreed to do so, was an act of betrayal-- whatever your politics. They changed sides on the eve of battle.
As a teenage kid I spent 3 years on a NATO base in Naples, during the Algerian War years. Turks comprised 10% of the personnel, and there was a strange underlying dislike for them among all the nationalities represented there. Although most of the Americans, with little sense of history, had no reason to share in this view, they tended to "absorb" it after a couple years there.
The general brief against them was that they weren't to be trusted, and that their weird, exaggerated civility was the duplicitous veneer on a clannish hatred of us, of everyone who wasn't a Turk-- including other ethnic groups within their own national borders. Ironically, the army is full of Kurds, and they take on the attitude of their historic oppressors. I've never known a case where (the children of) the military Turks I knew were Armenians.
The prejudice reminded me of attitudes held toward other nomadic groups, such as the Gypsies-- and military personnel, who in our culture of large far-flung military establishments all over the world, can truly be called a nomadic subculture within the U.S. population. We were always "new in town," and had as much trouble getting along with American locals as with locals in the countries outside the U.S. where we might happen to be billeted.
As for the official stance toward Turkey, it is pragmatic-- that is a different matter from the personal feelings of personnel stationed at, say, Izmir or Incerlik. Bottom line, this is a very complex subject-- I guess that doesn't stop simple minds from starting a bigoted thread about it.
first of all, ignorant people such as u are think the way as u think!!
second, your stupid idea has got nothing to do with making movies, it is just personal and let me say rubbish!!
read something about turkey and history you will notice where your people come from originally..
Hey thats kinda rude and false. I am turkish and i don't want to be european.
shareTurkey was busy making commercials with Chevy Chase . . .
shareThere is more than 200 contries in the world, you could argue on why every country didn't had the chance to make a part of that movie.
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I think problem was with Turkey, the country has lack of talented filmakers. First of all public do not care much about cinema and most known directors by ordinary public like Mustafa Altioklar or Sinan Cetin do not have enough talents to make such a segment about september 11. Names like Nuri Bilge Ceylan and Serdar Akin are very good artsy filmakers but unfortunatly they are not so apreciated by Turkish public also they did not achieve so much recognition by international critcs yet.
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