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Anyone else not too sympathetic with David Boyle?


I feel bad for what happened to him as a child however he as an adult he did some stupid things like:

Lying to his wife about killing a mugger. Would she had been that upset at him if he had just told the truth?

Lying to the police while he was a suspect in the girl's murder. I think I would have fessed up once they found blood in my trunk. They probably would have gone easy on him considered the person he murdered.

In the end when he is killed, I was more upset by his stupidity than his supposed innocence.

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I know this could come off as jerkish but i don't even feel all that sympathetic towards the child who got in the car. Jimmy knows how WEAK that was, both the other boys were savvy enough to keep their bodies safe outside that car. Dave had a dramatic deathwish, it would appear. Let him have his drama and his death if he wants it so much.

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but i don't even feel all that sympathetic towards the child who got in the car. Jimmy knows how WEAK that was, both the other boys were savvy enough to keep their bodies safe outside that car. Dave had a dramatic deathwish, it would appear. Let him have his drama and his death if he wants it so much


Right, because every kid who falls prey to a pedophile subconsciously wants to be raped or murdered...

I know this could come off as jerkish


You don't come off as "jerkish" so much as moronic, which is actually worse.

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The other boys had no reason to get in the car. Dave lived on another street so the "cops" said they would drive him to his house to tell his parent's about the vandalism.

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I know this could come off as jerkish but i don't even feel all that sympathetic towards the child who got in the car. Jimmy knows how WEAK that was, both the other boys were savvy enough to keep their bodies safe outside that car. Dave had a dramatic deathwish, it would appear. Let him have his drama and his death if he wants it so much.

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Women talk. Look at his own wife she couldn't even keep her mouth shut which is why Dave got killed in the first place. Better to tell her a mugger attacked and he didn't know if he was dead. Otherwise his wife will blab to someone.

If he tells the cops he killed a molester, it's still murder in the 1st degree.

A wrong doesn't make a right. If you kill someone who is molesting a child, as messed up as it may seem, that's still 1st degree murder. Yah you might get a jury to show some sympathy, but likely you're facing a long prison sentence. It wasn't in self defense and judges/cops will argue you should call the police and report it.



I felt sympathy for him because he was clearly abused psychologically as a child.

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Trying to get self-rightous?

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Agreed with the original poster

Darkness lies an inch ahead

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Great drama sometimes blurs right from wrong. I feel this is the theme of this film.

He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.

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For this movie to work (in my opinion), I think you have to be quite sympathetic toward Dave. He wasn't simply a habitual liar who enjoyed messing with the truth, and with other people. He had deep-seated feelings of shame.

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Lying to the police while he was a suspect in the girl's murder. I think I would have fessed up once they found blood in my trunk. They probably would have gone easy on him considered the person he murdered.


They would not have "gone easy" on Dave, he still would have been charged with at least second degree murder. Murder is murder even if the person you kill is a scumbag. Dave knew that since his car was stolen, he could plausibly claim that the blood in the trunk had nothing to do with him, so in the short run his strategy was smart.

Lying to his wife about killing a mugger. Would she had been that upset at him if he had just told the truth?


If she didn't believe his story about the mugger, why would she believe the story about the pedophile, unless he went out of his way and took her to see where he dumped the body afterwards?


In the end when he is killed, I was more upset by his stupidity than his supposed innocence.


By the time he's taken to the bar by Jimmy's goons, there really isn't anything he could do to convince Jimmy that he didn't kill the girl. Up until that point, Dave did everything he could to keep out of trouble and suspicion, he was just a victim of bad luck.

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He was screwed up from childhood trauma. It's really that simple. He's not thinking clearly and he hasn't ever moved passed the incident when he was abducted. His character does creepy and seemingly stupid things but it's hardly surprising given what he went through as a child.

He doesn't trust anyone, not even his wife. He certainly doesn't trust the police who failed to protect him as a child. He's still so damaged that he sometimes gets confused about reality. He's a broken guy and he's not going to make the best choices.


Lying to the police while he was a suspect in the girl's murder. I think I would have fessed up once they found blood in my trunk. They probably would have gone easy on him considered the person he murdered.


You know that. I know that. But someone who got kidnapped and rapped as a child may well not have the same trust in the law. They may go "easy on him" but there's still a good chance he'd be doing jail time. The kid who was being molested ran away and Dave has no idea where that kid is. There's no witness to testify that he killed this guy who was molesting a child. The best case scenario would for him to plead temporary insanity given his history with sexual abuse and he'd still probably end up serving time, either in a mental hospital or in prison.

Granted, it's still a lot better than the police and everyone thinking he's a murderer but Dave is not thinking straight. He's so screwed up that he imagined his younger self at the murder (when he says, "me and the boy.")


Lying to his wife about killing a mugger. Would she had been that upset at him if he had just told the truth?


You need to learn more about victims of sexual abuse. Many would do ANYTHING not to let people know what happen to them. The reason is that they don't want to be seen as a victim or damaged goods. There's so much stigma for people who are victims of rape. So often we pity them but still look at them as broken human beings. No one wants that. No one wants their spouse to think of them as some little kid who got raped by two old men.


In the end when he is killed, I was more upset by his stupidity than his supposed innocence.


Remember Kevin Bacon's last line to Sean Penn? "Maybe we all got in that car...Maybe we're all just 11 year olds kids dreaming that we escaped."

None of these guys have really grown up. Dave is the most damaged out of any of them. He's a scared little kid who gets confused, can't control his emotions, and doesn't think clearly. Just like Katy's real killers, Dave is a frightened child who doesn't know what he's doing.

If you or I were in his position, we'd probably be more rational. We'd probably say, "I killed a pedofile to stop him from raping a kid. I buried the body behind McGill's. Come with me and I'll show you the body and you'll see that I didn't kill Katy." But neither of us was kidnapped and raped as a child. We don't have his baggage.

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Great post.

> He certainly doesn't trust the police who failed to protect him as a child.

I didn't remember this detail until you pointed out but I think the reason for hostility to the police is because he is subconsciously reminded of his abductors who masqueraded as policemen.

> The kid who was being molested ran away and Dave has no idea where that kid is. There's no witness to testify that he killed this guy who was molesting a child.

Actually the kid wasn't being molested. He was a child prostitute who we can assume was paid by the pedophile. We know this because in the scene where Dave had a nervous breakdown while watching the vampire movie, he asks his wife, 'Did you know there were child prostitutes in Rome Basin?'

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What I found interesting about Dave is that he acted so irrationally around his wife and told such transparent lies that she suspected him of murdering Jimmy's daughter, yet he also had the intelligence, clear thinking, and sufficiently calm frame of mind to use his stolen car as an alibi with the police.

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Actually the kid wasn't being molested. He was a child prostitute who we can assume was paid by the pedophile. We know this because in the scene where Dave had a nervous breakdown while watching the vampire movie, he asks his wife, 'Did you know there were child prostitutes in Rome Basin?'


I used the term "molested" simply because, as a child, he can't give consent. Perhaps I should have said "sexually assaulted" or whatever. Even if he's getting paid by the pedophile, what's happening in the car would still be considered some form of rape by the law and by most people.

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He wasn't molested? Is that why he was begging for them to stop coming for him while being locked in what appeared to be a dark dungeon? Him later mentioning child prostitution doesn't change the fact that the abuse was being completely forced on him.

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> The kid who was being molested ran away and Dave has no idea where that kid is. There's no witness to testify that he killed this guy who was molesting a child.

Actually the kid wasn't being molested. He was a child prostitute who we can assume was paid by the pedophile. We know this because in the scene where Dave had a nervous breakdown while watching the vampire movie, he asks his wife, 'Did you know there were child prostitutes in Rome Basin?'


He is definitely talking about the kid caught by Dave in the car with the paedophile. The one that ran away when Dave started to beat the paedophile.

He is definitely not talking about young Dave, who was indeed molested.

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I thought he was the most sympathetic character in the film.

You who wish to conquer pain, you must learn to serve me well.

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>Lying to his wife about killing a mugger. Would she had been that upset at him if he had just told the truth?

Yeah, it was stupid, but I came to understand why he did it. It was difficulty facing/expressing the emotions around what happened to him when he was abducted.

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