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Sport-event with the greatest influence


I think, the victory of 1954 had dramatic influence on the german eoples feelings in the early 50s.
Is there any sports-event on earth comparable to this?

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To win the Rugby World Cup 1995 in the own country was at least as important for South Africa as 1954 was for Germany, probably even more important and influencable.

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Tell me why!

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Guess he's not replying because of realising how wrong he was...

:-)

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Greetings from down under in New Zealand.

As there appears to be no reply from Focus HH, I thought I would answer by attempting to compare the two events.

On the political front, South Africa had only just come out of the international wilderness in the early 1990s after the end of apartheid. South Africa's far right hatred of the blacks and coloureds, perhaps mirrors the German Nazis hatred of the Jews. The winning of an official international sporting event was important for the South African people in being accepted back into the international community and finally uniting the country. Just as West Germany's 1954 triumph was important for the people of West Germany in giving back their self belief and regaining their confidence.

On the sporting front, there's really no comparison in popularity between the two sports. Football (fussball, voetball, futbol, soccer or whatever the preferred name of the individual/country) is THE global game. FIFA has 205 members, and even back in 1954 they had 80 members. Rugby Union on the other hand in spite of the IRB having 95 members, it is only really big in the so-called 'Big Eight': the countries that make up the British Isles, along with France, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. And out of those countries only South Africa (among the white population only), Wales and New Zealand claim it has their national sport. And even then, the number of people that play rugby is outnumbered in all three countries by those that play football.

At the time, Hungary, was by far the best team in the world. Coming into the final, they were already the Olympic champions and more importantly they had not lost any of their previous 31 matches. Only similar runs by England/England Amateurs (1906-10), Brazil (1968-73) and Brazil again (1993-96) can compare with the great Hungarian team. West Germany had already lost to Hungary in the tournament by 8-3 (although it must be said that the Germans were accused of fielding a weakened team). The odds were stacked against the Germans. In the final itself, Hungarian captain, Ferenc Puskas was playing with an injury (picked up in the previous clash between the two nations). This didn't seem to matter, as he scored the opener and then Hungary went 2-0 ahead. For West Germany to then go onto win by 3 goals to 2 was a great achievement. Interesting to note that West Germany then lost it's next three games, to Belgium, France and England.

While already stating Rugby Union is far less the global game than it's cousin, Football. South Africa's achievement is still something to be proud of. The South Africans' opponents in the final was New Zealand (The All Blacks). New Zealand like Hungary were the firm favourites. However, in comparison their record leading up to the final was nothing like the Hungarians, but the All Blacks were impressing the fans with the style in which they were winning. All Blacks' fans believe their team are the best in the world. However in five World Cups to date, New Zealand has only once, been able to live up to this belief and that was on home soil. The match was a close contest and went into extra time, with the Springboks (South Africa) winning by 15 points to 12. As the Springboks captain, Francois Pienaar said when collecting the cup 'we had 43 million people behind us.' At last South Africa as a nation was united.

Sorry about the late addition to the topic, but I have only just come across it.

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It's been three years since this has been posted, but I must say the post is great, with so much useful sport informations. Thanks mate!

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You compare WWII with the Apartheid...wow.

Ich bin kein ausgeklügelt Buch, ich bin ein Mensch mit seinem Widerspruch.
Conrad Ferdinand Meyer

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To win the Rugby World Cup 1995 in the own country was at least as important for South Africa as 1954 was for Germany . . .
Oh absolutely, as the poster brisomboy explains below.

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When Fritz Walter, captain of the German team died in 2002, the whole country went into mourning. German supporters at the World Cup in Korea hung out banners that said "Thank you, Fritz". Because not only was Walter the captain of a winning team, there are many who consider him to be the father of modern Germany.

No sporting event has ever had as much impact as West Germany's World Cup win in 1954. That triumph gave a nation, shattered and demoralised after the war, a new sense of self-belief and confidence and kick-started the German economic miracle.

As the director Sonke Wortmann said when the film was shown at the German Film Festival in London, the 1954 World Cup win ranks along side the fall of the Berlin Wall as the biggest post-war event in German history.

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What about the World Cup preliminary match between El Salvador and Honduras in 1969? It resulted in a war in which about 2000 people were killed. People call it the "Soccer War".

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The unexpected victory of an outsider in the last European championship maybe ?

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No - because u cannot compare greek 2004 with germany 1954.

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I only had in mind the unexpected of the events, didn't mean to compare anything more, in 1954 Greece was only 4 years after a civil war, it was much better in 2004 )))

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Well, Iraq did win the Asian Cup in 2007, with a national team that did not even have a home stadium to practice in. Maybe if they qualify into the next World Cup then it could be something emotional as well.

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For Germans, even now 58 years after the event, the final breathless moments of the game are one of the few "where were you when that happened" moments.
Everyone knows them, simply everyone. Grandmothers, children, people born fourty years after. Everyone ! People still know who played back then.
It's in popular national history the moment where Germany scrabbles back from defeat, caught in the final "Das Spiel ist aus". Miracle moment.

And for the nation, it was the moment when people found their grip onto life again. The inspiration of self-confidence was monumental. Possibly because it was ok to win stuff. Again. Confidence is intangible - but not in that moment.
Probably very very hard to explain to non-Germans. But the folks in the bar watching the game and exclaiming "we lost the war, we will lose this too" sum up the condition before that legendary sunday.

Btw, the enthusiastic and over-the-top radio report by Zimmermann is still unchallenged the best piece of sports reporting in German.

PS People grieved when in 2005 the Wankerdorf stadium in Bern was rebuild. This meant little to the Suisse, but to Germans a legendary place was erased from the landscape. 51 Years after. 'nuff said

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also relevant to this topic, since this is a movie forum:

invictus, a great film gives a good insight. watch it.

it was not out when this thread was started, 10 years ago lol but it is now.

also i am german and wunder von bern is a great movie about a great event.

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