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Question regarding the ending...


When he came to the US, why did he fight the cops who tried to arrest him? They didn't even know him. Even if he went to jail, surley he could have escaped. Afterall, he broke out of that prison.

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He fought them because he was feeling depressed and powerless because he had noone in the states. In a way it was suicide by cop, he wasnt trying to get away. like he said before, the only reason why he robbed the banks was to crumble the (apartheid) system, as he had nothing against the us government he wouldnt have robbed banks there. I dunno about real life but thats what the movie seemed to be trying to portray.

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I agree with kurupt_minds. Plus, maybe it had something to do with the fact that the policeman who ordered him out of his car was black? Maybe Stander - despite for his dislike of the apartheid system - was so conditioned that when he saw a black cop giving him orders (as opposed to white cops harrassing black South Africans he was used to) he had some sort of a short circuit in his mind?

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It was suicide by police. And when he saw the black officer that helped push him to finish himself via a black man, since his entire life was wracked with guilt over having killed a black man. It was fitting to him. He had nothing left to live for, not having any problem with the US Govt., and not having a woman who loved him anymore.

A fine film. The movie provided Thomas Jane with far more opportunity to show his charisma and on screen presence than The Punisher. By a long shot. This was a gripping story, well told.

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With the real Andre Stander, his car was impounded and he stole it later that night, making a stupid mistake that he never would have made in S.A. When he was cornered by the cops in his driveway (or in the street, as in the movie), he realized that he was in a strange country, away from Bekkie and his father, and that he could never return. He decided that he was better off to die because he couldn't live without them. Hope that helped.

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Yes, in real life he was killed when the police cornered him in his driveway. I think he fought back just because he had nothing to lose and he was a badass. If he had been arrested, they would have found out his true identity and he would have gone back to prison, probably for the rest of his life. So there was no reason NOT to fight them.

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yea, i had thought that he had engineered the chain of events such that he would get shot by the black man all along.

fine film, fine acting and all... but, it just sucks that thomas jane was so successful and making the audience fall in love with him... only to watch him commit suicide in the end.

extremely depressing.

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>it just sucks that thomas jane was so successful and making the audience fall in >love with him... only to watch him commit suicide in the end.

I agree. They should have ended the movie when Stander got on the airplane. Thomas Jane was a badass in this movie.

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I prefer that the film ends with his death. It made the character more complete even though his demise was sad.

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i thought the ending was meant to represent the full circle,

in south africa, stander was a cop who opened fire on an unruly black person.

this event messed him up so much he became the bank-robbing stander. eventually he went to the US where he thought he would have a quiet life.

but he was still screwed up, and so had become the "unruly black south african". only this time the roles were reversed, with a south african killing stander (a white man).

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<<<I agree. They should have ended the movie when Stander got on the airplane. Thomas Jane was a badass in this movie.>>>


I agree with that totally. they should've ended it when he got on the plane, then it should have told us n writing he was killed, it would have been more effective i think.


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The whole killed by the cops thing was a setup by the South African Goverment as he had made total fools of them.

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Didn't you see that he INTENTIONALLY ran a red light in FRONT of the cops? And he reacted violently when a cop, which he was and which he hated, was patting him down. It was suicide by cop.

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Didn't you see that he INTENTIONALLY ran a red light in FRONT of the cops?

Actually he made a left on red which is legal in South Africa (because they drive on the left). He was just nervous from stealing the car and forgot it's right-on-red in America.

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ummm no it is illegal to drive through a red robot in south africa.. are you even from here? what country would have such a stupid law.

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Funny thing is, there seem to be two divergent theories of how Stander died. The movie presents the less elaborate and less action-friendly of the two, believe it or not.

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Events leading to his death

While Stander remained in the United States, international arrest warrants and all points bulletins were issued for his arrest. Trying to make the best of the situation, Stander created the false identity of an Australian author named "Peter Harris" and forged a driver's license. Afterwards, he visited a used car lot and purchased a Ford Mustang from a dealer named Anthony Tomasello. On 10 February 1984, police pulled Stander over while he was driving and arrested him for driving an unregistered vehicle. Being relatively unknown to the American authorities at that time, Stander presented his false ID to the police, who recognized it as a forgery and subsequently seized it (adding driver's license forgery to his list of offenses) but believed his story about his identity and released him. Once released on the same evening, Stander returned to the police impound lot where his seized Mustang was being kept, broke in and stole the car. On the following morning, Stander returned to the same used car lot where he had purchased the vehicle and asked the same dealer, Tomasello, to have the car re-painted in a different colour. However, Tomasello had just read about the Stander Gang in a local newspaper. He told Stander that he would help him, got his information, and as soon as Stander had left, Tomasello called his lawyer. On his lawyer's advice, Tomasello called the local police.
Based on Tomasello's information, a police tactical unit surrounded the apartment that Stander had been using as a hideout, but Stander wasn't there. He had acquired a bicycle to use while his car was with Tomasello to be repainted. He had left the apartment on the bicycle and returned only after the police had surrounded it. As he unknowingly rode up to the apartment complex, officer Michael van Stetina (who had been posted on the perimeter) recognised Stander and attempted to stop him. Stander tried to get away, but as Stetina prevented his escape a struggle for the officer's shotgun began. The gun discharged and Stander was hit; he fell onto the apartment complex's driveway, bleeding profusely. Stetina immediately radioed for an ambulance. Although officer Stetina tried to administer first aid, Stander's wounds were too extensive and he bled to death before an ambulance to arrived.

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I don't know why they invented a different death. Was just silly, intrigue for intrigue's sake

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