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Can really a sword cut through a rifle?


It's hard to believe that... maybe if the swing was super fast it could be, but I doubt it. What do you think?

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I don't see why you think it is so unbelievable. I would have thought that any soldier who is skilled with a sword could easily cut through a rifle. 

KR

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If the swing is slow, the sword will break or bend instead of cutting through hard steel. A bullet can penetrate sheet metal if fired from a gun, but if you try to hammer it through it won't.

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If the rifle is made if paper then of course you can cut through it with a sword.

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Under ideal conditions, yes. In combat like the film, most likely not.

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One of the important things to understand about samurai swords is that they are not really existing on the same dimension as a normal sword.

They are actually so well-crafted that they can split atoms in half and bend space time and transform matter. A rifle is obviously no challenge in this equation.

Now don't get fooled by all these cheap replicas out there. A genuine samurai sword can cut through a tank. I once saw a samurai dispatch at least 100 tanks. In one case he made a mockery of the tank by cutting off its cannon, at which point the driver was like, "Uhhh....." And then the samurai almost smiled, but he didn't because he was too macho, and then he cut the tank in half.

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This ;-D In fact, it is the ONLY way to make a sawn off shotgun!

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I was about to  you because I thought you were serious until the second paragraph.

Well done that man.

SpiltPersonality

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I hear theyre also responsible for dark matter, gravitational waves, and sliced bread.

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Real Ultimate Power!!

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I think not...possibly a shotgun barrel, but not a rifle barrel.

'When you hang a man, you better look at him.'

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This was disproved on Mythbusters. The myth was that during WWII the barrels of US machine guns would get so hot Japanese officers could chop the barrels. But as I said it was disproved.

I've had a lot of sobering thoughts in my time Del Boy, it's them that started me drinking!

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This movie wasn't during WW2. Can you give us more pointless facts?

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Yes you're a congenital degenerate cúnt!

I've had a lot of sobering thoughts in my time Del Boy, it's them that started me drinking!

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How about that the rifles used during the time period depicted would certainly not get as hot as the ones in WWII and therefore if they couldn't cut those ones they definitely couldn't cut these?

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I don't remember the scene exactly, but maybe it broke the gun where wooden stock met metal barrel? Samurai swords were finely crafted, so if any sword could do the job...

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Watching now. Went through the stock

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It would have split the wooden stock/rifle body in which the barrel is inserted. The blade collapsed the wooden rifle body, effectively snapping it into two pieces; stock on one side and barrel/remnants of the rifle body on the other.

Completely believable

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Just recorded and watched it in slow motion. It looks like that's the answer.

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As far back as the 15th century, Damascus steel (or other wootz steel) swords were commonly tested by cutting into a rifle (well.. smooth bore musket but you get my point) with them. The highest quality blades could cut clean through without even chipping. So yes, swords could/can cut through barrels.
Samurai swords were only tested by decapitating a corpse. If the beheading was successful in a single swing the sword was considered good. So while some swords can do it, I'm not sure samurai blades can cut a rifle in two.

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As far back as the 15th century, Damascus steel (or other wootz steel) swords were commonly tested by cutting into a rifle (well.. smooth bore musket but you get my point) with them. The highest quality blades could cut clean through without even chipping. So yes, swords could/can cut through barrels.
Samurai swords were only tested by decapitating a corpse. If the beheading was successful in a single swing the sword was considered good. So while some swords can do it, I'm not sure samurai blades can cut a rifle in two.


I am inclined to agree, Samurai swords were designed to "slice" through a person, not to "hack". The blade edge needs some forward/ backward momentum (depending on the cut being performed) to make the slicing action.

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As far back as the 15th century, Damascus steel (or other wootz steel) swords were commonly tested by cutting into a rifle (well.. smooth bore musket but you get my point) with them. The highest quality blades could cut clean through without even chipping. So yes, swords could/can cut through barrels.

No, this is a myth. Consider the fact that for a blade to be able to cut, it must be harder than the material it tries to cut. Also consider that the edge is not the only thing that must pass through the material, but the spine of the blade as well. This means that the edge cuts, and the body of the blade pushed the material aside. This is the reason you won't get very far trying to cut down big trees: the weight of the tree presses on the body of the blade and traps it. You can ruin chainsaws this way, too.

With a metal barrel, you can only cut through if 1) the edge is harder than the barrel, 2) you are strong enough to push the steel of the barrel down and in on itself, and 3) the blade is strong enough to withstand the stress of this process. 1) is easy enough, but 2) and 3) are impossible with any sort of rifle/musket barrel.

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Yeah, no one would test a sword on a rifle barrel unless it were a "torture test", in which case you're pretty much planning on destroying it.

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