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Sympathy for Slyvia-I think NOT


Sylvia was ill, very ill. And she CHOSE to stay in a BAD marriage with a man who was a COMPLETE ASS. Unlike many women of her time, she had choices, having come from a well to do family, she was smart and very employable, and she chose suicide. She was a selfish, sick person who thought little or nothing of her own children. Her son, who was about 2 at the time of her suicide, spent a great deal of his own life struggling with severe depression, and asking himself, whether he was to blame, in part for her death, committed suicide 2 years ago. No, I do not have sympathy for this selfish woman. Most of the time, I agonize for those ill enough to take their own life, who see no other way out but Plath, was simply, a selfish, weak woman.


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What, just for once in your life can't you be serious?

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Most of the time, I agonize for those ill enough to take their own life, who see no other way out but Plath, was simply, a selfish, weak woman.

How do you know she saw another way out? What makes her any more selfish or weak than anyone else who decides to take their life? Not a single soul has lived their life for the purpose of keeping anyone else happy; we all have selfish motives for existence, and rightly so. The idea that someone should endure their own personal torture for the sake of another's happiness ludicrous.

Sylvia may have chosen suicide, but she did not choose weakness; no one does. She would have remained weak whether she ended her life or not.

I know I will never be happy but I know I can be gay!
-Marilyn Monroe

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Sylvia was mentally ill. It wasn't the first time she'd tried to commit suicide. Someone should have helped her - her mother, her selfish husband, but no one did.

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I completely agree with AzureHansa.
I have no problem at all with people who are so very miserable wanting to (and even succeeding at) taking their own lives. It's their right, IMO. The possible reasons for any individual's extreme depression are infinite.
But, if that individual has dependents, it's another matter entirely.
In Sylvia's defense, there probably didn't exist any such thing as birth control when she got pregnant. I'm really not sure how she could have gotten around having babies.
Any person born after that advent, though, who is aware that they have suicidal tendencies, or any other possibly hurtful type of mental illness, is a villain in my eyes if they end up having children. What a cruel and, yes, selfish thing to do!
Sorry. I guess I felt like a rant, as the OP also did... :-)

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I think it's a bit much to admit that Sylvia was mentally ill (with severe depression) and then believe that she could easily fix her life. Before she was married she tried to commit suicide. And that was when she was living with her mother.

Unfortunately in the 1950s treatments for depression were not very effective. Sylvia was in a psychiatric hospital for six months and received shock treatment. One antidepressant medication used at that time actually made Sylvia more depressed.

As the father of Sylvia's children, Ted Hughes bears some responsibility for what happened. He openly had an affair while Sylvia was alive. He eventually had a child out of wedlock with his mistress. And the mother of that child, Assia Wevill, also committed suicide. Assia Wevill also killed their child (the most selfish act in this entire sad story).

Not very many men are involved with two women who both commit suicide.

BB ;-)

it's just in my opinion - imo -

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Being married to Iggy Pop must have been exhausting.

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She sought treatment for her mental illness. Back then, that included electrosock therapy. How much "help" do you think that did?

The bad marriage isn't what drove her to mental illness. She was sick long before then. Marriage didn't cure it, nor did motherhood.

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Are you deluded or something? She had a MENTAL ILLNESS! No one thinks straight when they suffer from any form of mental illness therefore cannot be accounted for her actions. Its very easy to sit on your high horse judging another woman for the way she did things, you shouldn't judge until you've walked in their shoes.





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As if getting up and leaving is so easy for a young American woman stranded in the British countryside with two young children with the flu and no plumbing, in the worst winter that England had had in nearly 100 years.

Sylvia had a history of mental illness way before she met Ted Hughes. Mental hospitals weren't all that great back then, either. She was given antidepressants, but those take WEEKS to take effect on your brain.

It disappoints me that there are still people out there, like you, who can't understand that the brain is just like any other organ, and it gets sick.

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