Kingdom Hospital = Riget
I have heard that "Kingdom Hospital" is the american version of the danish TV-series "Riget", is that right?
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Yes its the american remake of the danish Riget but it doesn't capture the original version plot and is not scary nor strange.Nowhere near the Riget,It sucks.
Too bad Lars Von Triel couldn't finish the series.
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The reason the Americans do remakes of European films and series is because America has no history at all, they feel small. I mean in my country, Sweden, we have cafés older than America itself wich says alot of Americas history.
shareThe American version was an extremely flawed version of the best mini series ever created. It nowhere near managed to capture the eerie atmosphere and the extremely dark humour. Riget is timeless, Kingdom Hospital is already forgotten.
shareAlready forgotten?! Not by me, it's not. I loved KH. Although I quite liked Riget as well though I only managed to see the first series. Is the second series of Riget available to rent, does anyone know?
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the us killed about the same amount with friendly fire didnt they ;) and dont forget you have had plenty of wars of your own , some created by your politicians for your countrys gain . try sticking to reviewing movies instead of talking about stuff you obviously have no clue about . you just make yourself look stupid .
shareSorry, but most people would disagree with you on the subject of Ju-On vs The Grudge. I found the US remake completely tedious, and dumbing down the movie by removing the non-linear timeline took out all the mystery. The original Ju-On was far creepier, and the jumping timeline created a lot of suspense. It was a similar story with The Ring vs Ringu - stupid jump scares and loud bangs replaced genuine psychological horror in the original.
shareI'm with you Ruzkin, 100%. I can't believe someone actually admitted that they thought The Grudge was better than Ju-on...or for that matter was anything more than an utter waster of time...shame on you!
shareYou sound like just another "America is the best in the universe and the sun revolves around us" - show the proof of your numbers for one thing, or we don't believe you.
And don't worry, in 800 years you will have killed many more.
"Great history you've got there Europeans... you've caused more deaths than any other culture."
Thank you! We try, we try.
Ah, but there's a difference between quantity and quality. You may have a long history, but does anyone outside of Sweden really care about it, or learn anything about Sweden's contributions to the world?
shareRiget isnt from Sweden, its from Denmark. And its great, even though Kingdom Hospital is ok...
shareI know that Riget is from Denmark as I'm a huge fan of von Trier. I was just responding to c-eriksson82's post.
shareWell, Von Trier is an executive producer in this one.....so he must think it isn't complete garbage....I agree on books/movies being better in western Europe. A really good example for mr is Let the Right One In.....The book was amazing and neither of the movies lived up to it, but the swiss version was far better. In the book market, these western European writers are really taking over...they are truly so much better. Until recently, many translations of their work weren't made...at least, not very often.
shareLOL
shareLong history is what makes a people grow up - america is still an obnoxious teenager (alas a very strong one)
shareI understand if someone doesn't like King's version of something, but why does it have to come down to this "My country is better than yours" pissing match. This is just about T.V., Not about world history.
shareTHANK YOU. This argument is on every board for every single foreign film that has ever been remade in the U.S. As if the American people have anything to do with what television shows get made. It's embarrassing for Americans to sit here and try to defend ourselves like "Well, I'm one of the good ones, because I liked this foreign film better than the remake." The movies you like do not prove your worth as a person. And besides, people from other countries sit here saying their country is so much better than America... because Americans think they're better? If that's not also the egotistic and simple-minded attitude you accuse so many Americans of having, I'm not sure what is.
shareEuropeans might also be surprised to learn that Hollywood creative people have views much more in line with European values than American ones, generally speaking. The average American increasingly finds the movies being fed to them are so left-wing, European Social Democracy in their attitudes as to be unpalatable and unentertaining.
shareYou mean average american has gone so far to the right that a rather conservative middle viewpoint is considered left-wing now?
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I agree with your inference that this series sucked. It sucked bad, and is no comparison to the original.
As for the rest of your startling theory, I'll say that of all the idiotic posts that I've seen on these boards, your post has to be the most dickheaded one of all.
americans feel small, lol, yeah ok if that makes you feel better too funny
sharewhat?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
shareamericans just weren't ready enough to deprecate themselves to the level of a *beep* eurotrash moron.
I'm at a loss as to what I'll say to this comment. Chances are the author is not more than two or three generations removed from Europeans so I'll let it simmer in it's own irony. Unless of course you're a native American, which is more than enough reason to dislike Europeans.
"Mnomostrovic domovan mother*****rs!"
-Borat on Uzbekis
All you flamers should really get your information before slamming on someone elses vision of a series. before you people slammed on Americans and Stephen King did any of you think about going to the website and see who was involved in bringing this incarnation to the American market. Did anyone go to find out that Lars von Trier was an executive producer on the American Version? Wow I wonder how you guys will respond to that. A person who wrote and directed Riget was responsible for the overall production of this version. So if it sucked so bad and was such an abomination then some of the blame goes to Trier. I know flamers will find ways around this but its in black and white -- the same person that wrote and directed the original was responsible in this version also.
Everyone ignore the fact that Lars was a producer on this version. So as an producer you do have creative control. He was part of the team that thought it as good enough to make it on television. Like I said though other will ignore that fact and just slam the series. You who say you likes Lars version better well this is Lars version, he was responsible for overall production. A producer make choices with the stories and the layouts so some of the fault falls to him.
shareIt's not a "version", just piece of crap with Riget story.
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it is base on the Lars Von Triel riget (kingdom as i know of it.) but its not a remake!! it is also base on storys from and eleanor druse's book about hospital huntings and werid going ons, also it takes refrences from the kingdom hospital it self it is a real hospital!!
i can understand people thinking that as lars von triel produces it and it is base on the his series and there are a lot of things that are simalar but it is not a remake its a totally different thing!!
As I've said on another post can't we just enjoy both series (Riget was great apart from the salivating Mona and the cannibals which did turn my delicate little guts a little.) without turning it into a battle?
shareAmerican remakes usually suck, and this aint an exception. Riget was far better, but unfortunately incomplete, as two of the main actors died. They played the characters Drusse and Helmer. No one can replace their brilliant performance.
Back to the remakes: Other danish movies has been remade for american audience. "Nattevagten" is one of them. The american title is "Nightwatch".
But also from french to american has been done, without success. "Les Visiteurs" starring Jean Reno was americanized in the movie "Just Visiting".
Another french movie "Taxi", written by Luc Besson, was also americanized, starring Queen Latifah and Jimmy Fallon. That was a huge failure.
Here's a message to all you lazy americans. Start reading subtitles, and see the originals.
"Here's a message to all you lazy americans. Start reading subtitles, and see the originals"
As opposed to the europeans, who´s dubbing just about anything with incompetent national actors? :-)
Here's a message to simon-648. You, Sir, are a snob. And I'm not even American!
share@TheManWithTwoRedShoes:
I don't give a rats ass about America's history either, so there goes your quality theory. Americans might not care about foreign history, but what makes you think that "foreigners" care for yours?
Arrogant, pretentious prick.
At least you call me sir :P
I'm not a snob... I'm just sad to see all the originals being slaughtered by remakes. All the culture from the movie's original country gets lost... its just not worth it. Maybe in the studio's pockets, but not for us people who love movies, as they are.
But as I've said before, there's room for both versions. By all means, prefer Riget. That's your right and Riget is excellent. But please don't try and stop other people's choices being shown as well. You didn't have to watch "Kingdom Hospital". I hate TV reality shows but I'd not want them to be taken off the air - if you don't like a programme or film that's showing on TV, put a DVD on instead - or you could even try reading a book! The only films I criticise are those where there's sympathy for a homophobic, mysogynist or jingoistic viewpoint. They're sending out terrible messages. But why want a film/programme banned because it's not "Art"? It's all about entertainment, aftre all. As for remakes... yes, sometimes to us they're not a patch on a beloved classic, but again- just ignore the remake and stick with your classic. I wouldn't fancy a remake of "Gone With the Wind" but I wouldn't want to stop it being made.
shareI liked the show, but many of the seemingly random bible versus quoted throughout the series by different characters turned me off. Mind you, I have no issue with religious themes or imagery in a show. I watch anime that implement religious theology in their premise or plot to tell a story, but in KH it felt forced and pointless. I had no other issues with the product aside from the aforesaid except for Antubis.
shareIn Denmark, we're dubbing nothing at all.
shareLars Von Trier was an executive producer of 'Kingdom Hospital'. One would imagine if Mr. Von Trier had a problem or disliked Mr. King's treatment of the original idea, Mr. Von Trier would have removed his name from the production or kicked up a fuss or something. Mr. Von Trier is amazingly outspoken and thus far I've found nothing regarding how much he hated, loathed and/or despised Mr. King's version.
The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma -- Patrick Star
...or he kept in the production so it wouldnt be a complete mockery of the original series...
shareto simon-648:
That's not completely true.. We dub cartoons and some kids movies
As a dane myself, I can only say that Riget is a fantastic series. Kingdom Hospital was pure rubbish. Stephen King should be ashamed of himself.
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Been making movies since 1997.
I am Dutch myself, and think this America bashing is realy out of line, and to be honest, quite stupid.
Stephen King wrote a lot (a LOT!) of novels, and if its not your cup of tea, have a coffee, but dont say the tea is terrible.
It is true most films comming from America are crap. Most are so bad, I dont go to the cinema anymor unless I'm certain its a good film. Does this mean America has no culture?
Quite the contrary. America has a lot of culture. Culture they brought with them from Europe.
Eurotrash indeed ^_^
On the topic of KH: I have never seen Riget. Thats the problem of alternative stuff, you can't get it anywhere or ever hear about it. But I did see Kingdom Hospital on television(with subtitles, affcorse), and I realy liked it. I found the plot exciting, and the characters where either funny or interesting. I dont care for people whining the original "artwork" is butchered. The same happens whenever a book is made into a film. People allways misread "based on" as "exactly the same". Stop complaining, dont you know stephen king loved the original so much he wanted to do something similair? See it as a tribute, not a rip off. Look at the actual content instead of "oh but Otto had curly hair in the original, this is sooo lame" because it doesn't help anyone.
(Otto rules, by the way. Just wanted to say that)
This was an entirly different film then Riget, so lets review Kingdom Hospital as Kingdom hospital, and Riget as Riget.
p.s.
I hated America before it was populair. You are all jumping on the bandwagon. ^_~
I watched "Kingdom Hospital" when it originally aired on ABC. Although I liked the characters, the performances, the story and the visuals, it felt overlong and pointlessly padded (the victim of the week, the Reverend Jimmy, etc). It takes too long for anything to happen, King injecting himself into the plot (as Peter Rickman) seems rather ego-maniacal, and the episode with Mary's backstory feels forced (if they'd placed some of that episode's footage into earlier episodes, it would've played better). I've since sat through it a few more times and my opinion of all of that hasn't changed. While I do like some of King's additions, it never really worked as a weekly show -- though it does play better on DVD and Sci-Fi, where you can watch a few episodes at a stretch. I think it warranted a "The Stand"-sized miniseries, rather than a weekly TV show.
I just finished watching "Riget" for the first time. I'm an American who has no problem with subtitles (I owned two of Von Trier's other films before KH ever hit the air), but it took me a while to wrangle a copy of "Riget." For the first two hours, I was bored. Compared to "Kingdom Hospital," "Riget" moved at a breakneck pace -- but a lot of KH's dialog was swiped straight from the subtitles of "Riget" (subtitles that weren't always completely accurate, I might add) and the stories were nearly identical. The last two hours, however, are almost a total departure from KH. Mary's story takes several different turns (that don't include Paul/Antebus), and they left several radically different storylines unresolved. Unfortunately, "Riget II" hasn't been released on DVD... and two of the leads died before they could film the wrap-up of the trilogy.
I can see why King chose "Riget" to expand upon -- King and Von Trier share a similar sense of humour. King added a lot of depth to the characters that was missing from Von Trier's version, along with many interesting/creepy segments/characters (most notably Antebus). It also seemed as if the hospital itself was more of a menacing character in King's "Kingdom." Since each series eventually strays onto its own path, there's certainly room for them to co-exist. And it's possible to like both versions (as I do) -- after all, both versions have their own flaws.
I liked both "Riget" and "Kingdom" but in a way I'm glad that Paul/Anubis wasn't in "Riget" as his "Riget" counterpart couldn't have compared to Kett Turton for me. I like your post, Vinnie.
shareAmerica may have not have a 600 year old culture but it has Hollywood. Really people. When was the last time you heard of anyone leaving for Denmark to become a tv, music or movie "star". You don't because you're not considered a "star" until you've made it in America.
...and I'm not even from the U.S. so it's not like I'm being biased toward the country.
"Back to the remakes: Other danish movies has been remade for american audience. "Nattevagten" is one of them. The american title is "Nightwatch".
But also from french to american has been done, without success. "Les Visiteurs" starring Jean Reno was americanized in the movie "Just Visiting".
Another french movie "Taxi", written by Luc Besson, was also americanized, starring Queen Latifah and Jimmy Fallon. That was a huge failure."
Yes.. but no one remembers anything but the American remakes.
That is complete nonsense, you might not remember them because all you watch is hollywood movies, wich is the case for a lot of people around the world sadly. Maybe if people would open their eyes a little they might start to realise that most hollywood movies are very shallow because a lot of people are only interested in cheap thrills and emotions(not only americans but i do blame hollywood). And why would you care about when someone is considered a 'star'?? The whole idea of those so called stars is an american concept wich has nothing to do with the quality of the film they are in(Oceans 12) On-topic: Riget and Riget II were masterpieces, and kingdom hospital has nothing of that brilliance.. This movie is really terrible, almost as bad as the american version of the series "The Office". I hope hollywood will learn, but thats a bit naive because they know EXACTLY what they are doing, they just choose to take the easy way because cheap thrills sell (because there are a lot of IQ-less people in america, wich is not their fault because they cant afford good education because of their greedy government, but this a different level of discussion)
shareI feel the need to put my two cents in here. I am an American and proud of my heritage. I liked Stephen King’s Kingdom Hospital. I have been trying to find Riget, not so I can compare the two but so I know what the original was like.
I do have to say that to some extent I agree with junkmailzooi on the Hollywood thing. Hollywood is very shallow and has lost a lot of the vision that made it great. It seems as though the creativity has left.
I also think it is rather sad that a discussion about a tv miniseries has turned into America bashing.
Personally I don’t care where a movie comes from as long as it’s entertaining.
*applause*
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"As opposed to the europeans, who´s dubbing just about anything with incompetent national actors? :-)"
That would be germans, not europeans...
Sort of, but not really.
It's based on Riget, but it takes place entirely in the Steven King multiverse.
Two wrongs don't make a left hand turn.