Towards the end, after the Dean has cleaned up Vernon and is about to leave the room, he goes up to Vernon and tells him, "Always reject your hold cards". What does he mean by that? Im sure its got something to do with that last game. Can someone clarify the meaning?
He actually says always recheck your hole cards. normally hole cards are the cards face down that get flipped at the end however alot of terms in this movie seem to have other meanings such as muck.
ok, i have the dvd, and here's what stallone says exactly (sub-titles on) "Hey, always reject your hold cards. Hell, I was mucking cards before you were born." So that ain't _recheck your hole cards_. The reason why I put up this qs in the first place is, the way stallone says that to vernon, it seems vernon could have prevented his own loss if he'd rejected his hold cards.. and I wanna know what he meant by 'reject your hold cards'!!
He means basically to cheat. I think he had 2 K's and 2 Q's and he could see that Vernon had 2 J's. Even though they were in on it, he in a sense rejected one of his kings to make his hand better to better his chances of winning.
he is right..even though the sub-titles say "hold cards", the actual term is "hole cards"....anyways, what the dean says doesnt really make sense, because he told vernon to reject his hole card, but that is what vernon did...he had a 7, and he rejected it for a JACK to make triple jacks..the dean probably guessed that this was what vernon would do and so he rejected his hole card, the king, for a queen to make triple queens. the mucking part where he says, "Hell, i was mucking cards before you were even born", probably means that Vernon should have known that the dean would "muck", disregard or reject, his hole card and eventually get a new card.
Given that the subtitles are already proven wrong on "hold cards" v. "hole cards," I'm going to say that Dean tells Vernon to always "Re-check your card."
What I perceive him to mean is that Vernon should have re-checked his card during the game, as a typical player would. He doesn't, because he's holding out a mucked card and will bring it into play, so it doesn't matter what his actual hold card.
In real games, many players check their hole card over and over, kind of habitually. Since the card didn't matter, Vernon didn't recheck it.
Mucking, by the way, in the context of this scene means simply to hold cards out from a previous hand/shuffle/cut and add them to/switch them with one or more cards in your hand.
I guess i too always wondered what he said in that scene, or more to the point what he meant by it. As others have pointed out it didn't really matter to some degree as they were just putting on an act to fool Vernon’s friends, which it worked...
I guess i assumed that we are supposed to think that even know Vernon dealt him the two pair (with the first king face down), and even know Vernon did the switch at the end, Stallone was prepared for that having his switched card prepared in case Vernon did switch. Hence the part about mucking cards before he was even born. The first part about always recheck / reject your hole / hold out cards still kind of baffles me a bit, cause Vernon obviously knew what he had and he apparently knew what Stallone had as well, so what rechecking or rejecting your hold out card was supposed to mean exactly, who knows. I noticed the director stuck a few other lines in that didn't make much sense either, i guess just to sound cool, meanwhile a few of us later say "what the heck was that supposed to mean exactly?"
Yep "Always recheck your hole cards", hole cards are the face down ones player are dealt. And in this instant when Stallone says "your" he means the opponents/other players. Mucking in the context of the movie as someone previously mentioned means switching a card for when you been palming/holding out etc. Stallone switched his hole card, and Townsend didnt bother checking the marking again ...also as far as what the subtitles on the dvd say, subtitles are not taken directly from the script and are often times incorrect (this would be a case of that)
Forget what the subtitles said. I have seen some very interesting conversations if you want to go by the strict, literal translation. "Recheck your hole cards" was just telling him to do what most everyone else that has ever worked with a deck of cards has already said.
"Mucking" does not mean switching cards. The pile of dead cards in front of the dealer is called the muck. To "muck" your cards means to throw them into the muck without showing your opponent when you are beat.
My interpretation (which holds true no matter what the exact wording is) of what Stallone meant was, essentially, "Did you think you were the only one who thought to do that? Your big plan is such a common strategy that it's a basic rule for all of us."
actually there are hold cards. It comes from the term holdouts, or holding cards secretly by means of palming or other contraptions. The card that you took out of play is now your hold card.
I heard it as "Always recheck your hole cards" and, after reading this thread today (in Jan. 2015), that's still what I think he said. I think the subtitles are wrong.
As to meaning... I took it as a tip that a pro will notice it if you don't recheck your own hole card, and that will be a tipoff to the pro that you are going to cheat (since your not rechecking the card is an indication that that card is not important to you, hence an indication that you are planning to swap another card in for it). I really don't know though.
The movie kept my interest and I give it a 6 for that. It could have been better if I cared more about the characters or found the situation more intriguing. It felt unoriginal. The ending reminded me of "Wild Things" which took the "who's playing whom?" idea to an extreme. It takes more than a mere double- or even triple-cross scenario to faze anybody who's seen that one. :-)