Ambiguous Ending?


I just had the pleasure of watching this incredibly enjoyable film this night. The ending, it seemed, was left slightly ambiguous. Was it in fact ambiguous, open-ended, or am I just confused. It seems that many hold the opinion that:

-Isaak, overcome with the pain of having his friend leave him and the burden of killing his horse, kills himself. The horse is taken away because it needs to go to a different location, since its owner is dead. Fotke decides to live in Isaak's house (likely a change to Isaak's will, I'd imagine), and the final scene is Fotke setting tea up for himself and Grant.

However, I seem to have a more optimistic view. Here's what I think...

-Isaak falls terribly ill and is rushed to medical care after Grant finds him in his unconcsious condition. The grief likely would rush the illness. The horse is taken away because Isaak simply couldn't bring himself to kill it. The people taking it away could either kill it for him or heal the animal. Fotke waits for him in his house until he is revived, making tea for both of them upon Isaak's return.

Anyway, the real purpose of the post is to ask whether or not the ending is concrete and I'm merely misunderstanding, or if the ending is left open-ended.

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FWIW, here's how I took it. Isaak died because of Fotke leaving and knowing he would have to kill the horse. The horse was simply removed by the vet or local authorities.

Here's what I don't understand. It seems odd the Fotke and Grant would become close friends though Grant had tried to kill him. Did Fotke know about this? Did Isaak never tell him?

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FWIW, here's how I took it. Isaak died because of Fotke leaving and knowing he would have to kill the horse. The horse was simply removed by the vet or local authorities.

Here's what I don't understand. It seems odd the Fotke and Grant would become close friends though Grant had tried to kill him. Did Fotke know about this? Did Isaak never tell him?

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I agree with your optimistic ending. First of all, remember that Isak says that our deaths are preordained. If he believes this, he wouldn't kill himself because what he is saying is that God decides when we die.

At first, I thought the car outside the house was a hearse but then I think it would have been black. If it was an ambulance, that means that Isak may have been alive when they found him in the house and they're getting ready to take him to the hospital.

Why would Folke stay behind to live with Grant? After all, Grant tried to kill him on the railroad tracks, and there was never any indication that they had developed a friendship. Folke came from Stockholm, a big city, to do this research. The only reason he decided to turn around and return to the Norwegian countryside was to be with Isak. So it doesn't make much sense that he'd stay with Grant. If Isak died, the logical thing for Folke to do would be to turn around and go back to Sweden.

So I think he was preparing tea for Isak and himself....

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bah, you guys are way to optimistic. its obvious that isak is dead.. grant just stood there, said his name, then cut. it was like illuding to death but not being grim and showing it. folke stays behind and lives in isaks house, obviously if he killed himself he can write whatever he wants in the will, if that is folke getting possesion of his land. grant trying to kill folke was harsh but it showed him being lonely and not having a companion. he wasnt jealous that folke was talking to isak persay, but that he just wanted to talk to someone himself. no, no one told folke grant tried to kill him. thats why its possible for them to become friends. the horse and the isak are very symolic towards one another, they both died at the end. they dont show either death so it can say PG.

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Not an ambiguous ending, but filmed perfectly to fit in with the rest of the story.

1. Isak is overcome with grief. He loses his new friend, he loses his horse. He even makes the rare exception of using his phone to find out about his horse's condition. He does not, however, commit suicide. After quoting his father a number of times, saying "Our deaths are predetermined," I cannot see him ending things by his own hand. In many ways, he may have died of a broken heart. Add to that the couple of times the local doctor keeps saying he wants to see Isak because he's concerned about him... I just think it was all too much and his body called it quits.

2. The horse is taken away to be killed. I don't think it's more complicated than that.

3. How Folke gets the house is debatable (I don't have a good answer to that), but it is clear to me that GRANT is the one he's having coffee with. The visual of the coffee table set for two PLUS the tractor noise in the background (Grant's character's sound, basically; one hears this in many scenes before Grant is in them) is a solid indication that the two of them are meeting. Their friendship may be surprising, but I can see it developing as a result of the theme of the story. Folke is viewed somewhat askance by Grant whenever he visits Isak at home. This "neutral observer" is odd to him (overtones of the whole Norway/Sweden WWII relationship echo here). That his brother ends up chumming his birthday away with this 'stranger' and not with him (kin by blood and by country) probably makes him jealous and angry (it was, by movie standards, a wonderful twist on the traditional love triangle). After observing them through a window (much like the 'neutral observation' by Folke upon Isak), he attempts to eliminate Folke after assessing him in this neutrality. Isak finds him and takes him back, most likely w/out Folke knowing what happened. It probably isn't until Isak dies that Grant would get to know Folke (that is, beyond 'neutral observation') and the idea that they would become friends only further drives home the point of the movie that the silly neutral observation will not let you get to KNOW someone... that it isn't until you interact with them that you can appreciate them. Grant has not done this with Folke until the very end. The tragic part of this, of course, is that it took the death of
Grant's brother, Isak, for him to 'get to know' this stranger. The redeeming part is that it DID happen, probably to the benefit of both characters.

And that's my $.02. :-)

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Having just finished this movie (about 10 minutes ago), I'll offer the following:

1) Isak died. Grant discovered him in that scene where Grant wanders into the house, calling his name.

2) You wrote, "it is clear to me that GRANT is the one he's having coffee with. The visual of the coffee table set for two PLUS the tractor noise in the background (Grant's character's sound, basically; one hears this in many scenes before Grant is in them) is a solid indication that the two of them are meeting." Actually, it's clearer than that: remember that they have a coded series of telephone rings, so that no one has to spend money on an actual phone call. Before the tractor arrives, we hear the series of rings that means, "I'm coming over for coffee."

3) I was a little confused by the ending: the white station wagon is, I guess, the doctor's car (or ambulance, although it's unmarked), but I couldn't figure out who the third man was in that scene, the one who walks out of the front door. (Folke is in the foreground; Grant is in mid-range view; a third man emerges from the house in the background who at first glance looks like Isak.) I guess it's the doctor.

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Holy cow, was I off base...!!!

It never occurred to me that Isak died, especially after seeing 3 men in that scene with the white vehicle (which I thought was Grants real car). I assumed it was Isak coming out of the house. I did wonder why there was only 2 coffee cups on the table, but I assumed Grant got left out of the triangle, yet again, poor soul.
Thanks for the proper perspective.

Yes the horse was carted away to be "disposed of".

Why did Isak have Folke sleep on the horse as a remedy..???
and whats with the cat fur thing..?? Is that some old world Swedish homeopathic thing..??? I need to read more of this web site, perhaps my answer is here.

BTW, thank heavens for IMDB so I can see discussions of a movie that NOBODY I know will see. I like these quirky foreign films that few americans I know watch. Thanks to y'all for posting for me..!!

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> BTW, thank heavens for IMDB so I can see discussions
> of a movie that NOBODY I know will see. I like these
> quirky foreign films that few americans I know watch.

You ain't kidding... I searched Roger Ebert's database for his review of this movie, which I always do right after we finish our Friday night rental movie at home each week, and was slightly amazed to find it wasn't listed. I could have sworn he reviewed this one; apparently he didn't...?

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"BTW, thank heavens for IMDB so I can see discussions of a movie that NOBODY I know will see. I like these quirky foreign films that few americans I know watch. Thanks to y'all for posting for me..!!"

I second that sentiment as Kitchen Stories was a fine film that should be discussed.

I personally believe that Isak died and this changed Grant's perspective of Folke as they suddenly had a connection of being Isak's friend. (Without the tension of competing interests.) Given the fact that Isak saved Folke from Grant's attempted murder, Grant would see this as the last noble act that his friend did on earth which would reevaluate his perception of Folke as a intrusive foreigner and sends a message from Isak that this man is worth knowing.

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Isak's death was predetermined because he had decided to commit suicide before his horse died.

Why were there three rings for the final coffee instead of four?

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"Why did Isak have Folke sleep on the horse as a remedy..???"

It could be because of the position or because the warmth of the horse

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I guess it's the doctor.
I looked at it very closely on my DVD player. Unfortunately, that scene looked a bit murky, but I would say, going by the clothing of the man, that it is the doctor. Also, who would have driven the ambulance but the doctor?

The open doors of the ambulance indicate that help was too late, but I do not think that Isak killed himself. A broken heart combined with his medical condition, hinted at by the doctor earlier on - loved the doctor smoking BTW - were the causes.

A very nice, and often touching, film.

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I am glad to read that someone else had trouble viewing the ambulance scene. I thought it was because of the lighting in my room and my poor eye sight.
It was a confusing ending so it is good to read these posts.
What I also do not understand: Isak's behavior and statement of "I do not know what to do with myself". Because Folke and Isak had become friends and Folke said yes to staying for Christmas - I thought that Isak would know that Folke was coming back after dealing with the trailer. Or perhaps Isak was grief stricken over his horse having to be put to sleep?

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I think you're right on my friend. The ending reaffirms the theme of the film.

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No, Izak is upstairs convalescing. Otherwise, why would Folke head upstairs when the tractor arrives?

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Thats a great observation. I agree completely on that view of the ending.

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I don't know, why you're all saying that Isak died because Folke left. I thought he probably had been ill before, but never knew because he never went to see the doctor. Him getting ill was basically being built up from the first scene. Methinks.

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Well .. if I remember correctly, Isak said to Grant, when he asked about Isak's horse, the the horse is as good as him, him being Isak. So I guess it would mean that Isak was actually close to death.....

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Yes, Isak and the horse have a symbiotic relationship; we are not fully aware until the end, but Isak's health and the horse's are deteriorating simultaneously.

Part of the reason that Isak agrees to participate in the study is because he thinks he will be receiving a new horse and all that it symbolizes. In the end, it is Folke who is truly given hope and a new life.

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The doctor makes several references about being concerned for Isaak's health and wants to examine him. That's the set-up to let us, the viewers, know that all is NOT well with Isaak.

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Yes. I think Isaak is sick from the beginning of the movie. I don't exactly remember the scene but I think it is Grant who asks Isaak "Is your horse ok ?" and Isaak answers : "Yes, he's fine, just like me !"
So if the horse "symbolizes" Isaak's health, it is just normal that they die the same night.

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As far as Isak's health, there is also the telling scene of him trying to blow out the candles on his birthday cake. Clearly, he is in ill health, and his death at the end, while poignant, brings Grant and Folke together in their grief. Together they stave off the intense isolation brought on by their loss and the inevitable winters to follow. But for now, it is warm--perhaps spring or summer--and all is good.

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I was wondering if someone would finally mention that there is a several-month passage of time between Isak's death and when Folke is making coffee for Grant.

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IF you ask me, I don't think it was a suicide, he just died of grief at losing both his friend and his horse at the same time (similar to the phenomenon in real life with very old married couples; when one dies, the other sometimes follows very soon afterwards, regardless of his/her health.)

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as for the "ambulance", I always assumed it was a hearse. (but then I'm perhaps erroneously judging from the American vehicle models)

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Thanks guys! I too was confused by the film's ending, and the interpretations presented here make some sense.

BTW, I'm pretty sure that was an ambulance and not a hearse. If someone dies, they don't get taken away in a hearse - that comes later on the final journey to the crematorium or graveyard. In the first instance they'd be taken away in an ambulance. Anyway, it was white (or cream perhaps).

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I think the scene with the ambulance is so silent and drawn out, that Isak has to have died. I believe that Mr. Hamer is very clever, and has made an ambiguous ending to get us to think and feel.

This film may well stand repeated viewings to gain a better and deeper understanding of the meaning of the story and the characters.

There are certainly symbolisms all through it. The winter seems to symbolize the latter days of life, and the spring at the end easily symbolizes the rebirth.

The horse is an important character. At the end of his life, he is giving healing to Folke. This is a haunting image.

The film has considerable backlife and undercurrents. Some of the techniques are calculated. The two actors have, I think, microphones clipped to them very close to their faces. You can hear all of their noises their mouths make while eating, etc. This brings us oddly very close to them.

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If you look very closely you can see the siren on the vehicle, and also a red written text (probably ambulance in norwegien) on the backdoor.

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Indeed, a perplexing ending. I agree with the person who posted that the horse was symbolic of his life, and they were both in poor health. He didn't seek medical help for the horse until it was too late, which leads us to believe this was also the case with his health (clues laid in doctor's inquiries).

Depression can certainly herald death. Did you notice when Grant entered the kitchen after Folke had left, that Isak was seated in a chair in the same corner where Folke's perch had been? My interpretation was this was a symbol of missing his new friend.

I felt he had died, but then when springtime came and Folke was waiting for his coffee guest (I agree it must have been Grant) why was Folke so HAPPY? His elation made me think Isak was still alive, yet the two cups stumped me.

Also, at the beginning of the film Grant stopped his tractor on the tracks and tried to warn Folke that the last person who lived out here died on these tracks. (Folke could not hear this over the noise of th tractor, which could be symbolic of warnings not heeded?) It was later mentioned that Grant had been in imprisoned. Did anyone else suppose Grant may have been responsible for the earlier death, hence Isak knew to follow with his horse to save Folke?

Great movie.

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I think Isak died. The vehicle at the end looked light yellow to me instead of white. I noticed they had the back door of the vehicle wide open for a stretcher but no one was in any hurry. Isak was ill and at one point he mumbled "I don't know what I am doing anymore" to himself.

I don't think he killed himself. As for the house there is nothing to say it was inherited. Folke may have chose to buy it or rent it.

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