Why do American movies think 80mph is fast? - 2 Fast 2 Furious (2003) Discussion

Its the same reason why those ricers think 200hp is impressive.

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Depending on what it's in, 200 horse is impressive...
Case in point; http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/04/frames.htm

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[–] rjfarmer 17 years ago

amen to that.

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[–] punkrockposen 18 years ago

how fast does it go during the day?

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[–] blade101167 18 years ago

It doesn't bloody go at all at the moment after having had it's face ripped off by a hit and run woman driver a few weeks ago :-((( She did get caught but it still cost over £1,200 to repair the damage. Needs an MOT certificate to go back on the road though....

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[–] kco31 18 years ago

The stupidity of the first poster amazes me.

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[–] blade101167 18 years ago

Sorry, kco31, I didn't mean to be so stupid and disrupt you and your car park mates from your maturbatory enjoyment of this damn fine movie.

How's the Ford Cortina with the enormous Cosworth wing, carbon fibre tax disc holder and four huge exhaust pipes at the back doing by the way?

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[–] m-nizzy 17 years ago

much of the movie takes place on city streets so 80 mph is pretty fast on streets designed for 35-45 mph. plus there are scenes easily over 100 mph (160 km/hr). They are pushed into their seat because of the force of accleration, if they stayed at a constant speed their momentum would reach equilibrium and the wouldnt be thrusted back into the seat.

Imports tend to be very light compared to other cars. 200 hp is very easy to get in an import; engine building, boosting, etc can get you 300-400+ hp. I have seen a 500 something hp 1995 Honda accord.

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[–] tray8376 17 years ago

amen that is pretty amazing driving skills and speed for streets like that
and with nos boosts and turbos and the intake etc. u would be back in ur seat
they thought through every aspect of the cars and drivers movements good.

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[–] mfoley84 15 years ago

.'This is on TV at the moment and whilst having a brain dead moment, I couldn't help but think how ridiculous it was when they showed the speedo hitting 80mph and they were pushed back in their seats like wwwwwwhhhhhhhhooooooooaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!

I mean come on! I have a five year old production model - i.e. unmodified - 2.0ltr 16v 140bhp Renault Laguna that has done 135mph on a clear motorway in the middle of the night! That's way faster than most of the supposed super cars can go in these movies!

There's also a scene in the first movie where the hero outruns a Ferrari. Yeah right. Even the slowest Ferrari built in the last thirty or so years would have still outrun the hero's car and have left it for dead!

And I'm surprised the main character even has a gear stick left with how violently he pushes it when changing gear!

I suppose the only people who love this movie are car freaks who have never actually driven a car in their entire life or else those who hang round disused car parks in their souped up Ford Cortinas! "

Why don't you get a *beep* life! There's more to it than cars!

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[–] marbanasin 15 years ago

I'm not into tuners, but the guy across the street from me had 500 horsepower in an early nineties Acura. That plus the light weight meant some serious speed.

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[–] punkrockposen 18 years ago

sorry to hear about your car mate. hope it all gets worked out and you get it back on the road. peace out

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[–] Jefferies2006 17 years ago

Back to the original post, im not a fan of fast cars or even these movies, but seriously, they didnt do any of the cars any justice. My dad had a nissan skyline, and *beep* could it shift. So i dont get why during the race they clock it struggling to make 120 when nissan skylines have lowered susspension that make it run smoother at higher speed, and when 120 is a piss for these super cars. Not to mension in the movie, their done up 100 thousand plus for the movie. Meaning they could piss all over what most people think is fast. Strange.

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[–] Caeradwyn 18 years ago

Actually, a well tuned Toyota Supra like the one in the movie, can easily produce WAY more horsepowers than a stock Ferrari. It's not uncommon to find Supra's with 700 or more horsepowers in the import tuner community. Also a Toyota Supra is lighter than most Ferrari's and as such needs less horsepower to go very fast, so it's not unlikely that a Supra can outrun most Ferrari's. I mean, even though a Ferrari is a so-called "super-sports-car" it doesn't mean that's it's unbeatable.

The movie is still pretty dumb though...

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[–] everett3 18 years ago

Try and take a corner with the supra though whilst going against a Ferrari.

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[–] Kottandogi 18 years ago

gschade

Just because you can mod a Supra to run a bone stock Lamborghini or Ferrari doesn't make it superior to it. I can mod a Diablo SV and just with a basic Vortec Supercharger, I will be able to outrun a Mclaren F1 from a standstill or a Roll not to mention distory any and I mean any modified Supra or Skyline unless those aren't street legal.

Also most Supras are complete dyno queens meaning that they make the HP but they don't put up the numbers. Thats why most Supra videos you see they wanna race from a roll because that gets the RPMs high enough to run such vehicles as a sportbike. Another reason why modified Supras are so rare is because most run on drag rials and straight racing gas and all of that is very expensive. By the time you invest in all this aftermarket BS for your Supra, you could have bought a Ferrari!. 1000hp Supras are normally owned by people who could afford a Lamborghini or Ferrari.

A Toyota Supra being lighter than a Ferrari? lol!, a Supra isn't even lighter than a Camaro or a Viper. it weighs around 3400lbs which is Ok but it would still get its ass kicked at any road course by any two seater. It might beable to run a stock 348 but it wouldn't be able to out a 355, ZR-1 and a Viper RT-10 will smoke a stock Supra. Thats why they aren't cheap.

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[–] matthers89 18 years ago

well it all depends on what exctly is done to the cars, but stll the movie has so many holes in it its rediculous. damage to manifold so his floorboard falls out WTF!?!?! and why would he have a random piece of metal screwed into his floor? the movie is a good timewaster with a lot of hot girls but thats about it.

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[–] ski_mask_nation 16 years ago

I love you...

God damn I was waiting for someone to step in and defend the Supra...
Also, I'd like to add that with my understanding of the tuner world, and my appreciation with Supras (seeing as how I own one myself) I think that the beginning race didn't do the Toyota justice. In a street race like that, that Supra would have effin raped those cars (yes, including the skyline, which has been proven to falter against Supras when not on a professional course.)

Now don't get me wrong, the skyline is a remarkable car, but the Supra would have won plain and simple. I also justify this because that skyline in the movie wasn't you're average super suspension corner hugging Nissan like all skylines, they actually took the all wheel drive out and replaced it with rear wheel drive instead. And it's a proven fact that the Supras, when compared side by side with Skylines, pull so much more torque and Horsepower.

Sorry for all you Nissan Skyline enthusiasts, but I had to set the record straight, so I'll close with my thesis:

The Toyota Supra at the beginning of the race would have beaten all of those cars, including the Skyline since they were racing on a street and not a professional course.

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[–] FirebirdCamaro 14 years ago

I don't know about Supra's being light, I briefly owned an 86 1/2 Mark III 5 Speed, and it's factory curb weight was 3500lbs! I was surprised, considering my first car, an 88 Firebird with an automatic, had a factory weight of just 2900lbs.

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[–] ryderj14 18 years ago

Its called TORQUE, mate, somethin that tuner cars have little of, even though at 80mph, with a Hemi 426 under the hood, you will feel as though you are forced back into your seat, exactly why the Charger in the first film, lept off its front wheels

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[–] zeek112 17 years ago

Amen

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[–] mfoley84 15 years ago

.'sorry to hear about your car mate. hope it all gets worked out and you get it back on the road. peace out"

After I knock you out cold with my pop up trunk? Or my foot?

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[–] Schnappi1988 18 years ago

stock ferraris are fast indeed but tuning cars which are specialy prepared for races will outrun them with ease, im from poland and the polish tuners make the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds while any ferrari would do it in more, U cant imagine how powerfull tuning cars can be, U want an example? a polish tuning company built a 1500bhp toyota supra and it did 375 km/h (dunno in miles) while using only 75% of its power.
and why are we talking about a scene of fast and furious one while this is the page concerning fast and furious 2?

But i must admit that the fact that the caracters are so passionated by the "magical" 80 mp/h makes me laugh^^

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[–] Kottandogi 18 years ago

Its called a good driver, whats the point of have 1000hp if you can't control it?.

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[–] mikemorton 17 years ago

Well I guess in some US states where the legal limit is 55mph, 80mph IS fast!

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[–] Temirsultanov 17 years ago

Yeah they seemed to be travelling for ages and then it showed 80 I was thinking WFT! I've knocked 85mph out of my 1.2 Opel Corsa piece of crap in about the same time as it took them to get to that speed and I'm no Schumacher!

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[–] simon290380 17 years ago

totally agree. i was in miami a while back driving a hired car (converatable chrylser of something). i was doing about 50mph down a dead straight dual carriage way during the middle of the day with no other traffic on the road (in the uk this counts as going slow) a policeman pulled me over and said i was speeding because the limit was 35mph or something like that!!! 35?!?!?! on those kind of roads!?!?!? luckily he clocked the english accent and let me off with a warning, but still it seems crazy. like the americans are scared of going fast or something, so 80mph seems crazy fast to them.

just thought i'd add my viewpoint to the mix.

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[–] blade101167 17 years ago

Not that I would aprrove of such stupid speeds of course, but where in the UK do you think is the ahem - fastest piece of road should you foolishly wish to drive above the 70 limit? My vote used to go to the M40 but I haven't driven on it for a couple of years. Nice long fairly straight stretch of road with a largely smooth surface and empty late at night. Does anyone know if it has cameras on it now?

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[–] Kinitawowi 17 years ago

By most accounts, the M6 Toll is probably the place to be - fairly straight, not well camera'd, and usually completely empty.

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[–] trez767 17 years ago

I would just like to point out that if I went out and bought a 1969 GTO or Chevelle and put enough money into it to bring the total cost of it to that of a stock Ferrari, the muscle car would smoke the foreign piece of *beep* My friends dad stuck about 25 grand into a late 60's Camaro, and it will run a 10 second mile easy. Show me a stock Ferrari that will do that.

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[–] blade101167 17 years ago

You quite sure about that speed there Trez? I only ask 'cos your "easy ten second mile" equates to more than 360mph/580kph. According to Wikipedia, top fuel dragsters can only achieve around 330mph on their 'jet fuel', so I think your friend's dad's bold claim may be a little OTT...

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[–] soulassassins2k5 17 years ago

Trez was owned there.....

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[–] trez767 17 years ago

Oops my mistake, I meant a 10 second quarter mile.

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[–] blade101167 17 years ago

Well, that's a whole lot different but not a whole lot better...

A ten second quarter mile means it takes forty seconds to do one whole mile equating to one and a half miles per minute. Multiplied by sixty minutes, that now works out to a mere 90mph - that's not very fast at all is it really?

I had a crappy 1.1 litre Ford Escort that could do that back in 1983... maybe that's fast compared to US cars as I wrote right back at the very beginning of this thread! ;-)))

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[–] trez767 17 years ago

You can't figure out top speed by multiplying a cars quarter mile average. A quarter mile is all acceleration. Top speed is horsepower. Most cars will accelerate a whole lot more in the later half of a mile than in the first half.

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[–] kco31 17 years ago

"A ten second quarter mile means it takes forty seconds to do one whole mile equating to one and a half miles per minute. Multiplied by sixty minutes, that now works out to a mere 90mph - that's not very fast at all is it really?"

A car that can do a 10sec 1/4 mile is usually traveling in excess of 120-125 mph when it crosses the line. then afterwards it would still be building up more speed after the line if it was going for 1 mile. even if the car stayed at 120mph for a 3/4 of a mile after the initial 1/4 it would only take 7.5 seconds for each additional 1/4 mile. You have to remeber that the final 3 1/4miles will be faster than the first because the car is already at speed and not having to accelerate like it did through the first.

60mph = 1 mile per minute
120mph = 1 mile per 30 seconds...divide 30 by 4 and you get 7.5
7.5 x 3 = 22.5 seconds for the final 3/4 of a mile

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[–] amx401 17 years ago

A car that runs a 10 second quarter mile goes from a standstill to terminal speed, that is, the speed it has reached as it passes the 1/4 mile mark. This is not the same thing as traveling 1/4 of a mile at a constant speed of 90 miles per hour. As the guys before me said, it is all about acceleration.

I believe the 1/4 mile speed of a 10-second car usually ends up somewhere around 140 or so. Therefore, the engine must be powerful enough to propel the car from a standstill to that speed in ten seconds.

To put it into perspective, my 1.6 litre car does about 0-60 in ten seconds.

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[–] kco31 17 years ago

140mph trap speed will more than likely put you into the 9s

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[–] Rattlehead16 17 years ago

Actually a ten second quarter mile is very fast, and thats a sixties car. I very hihgly doubt that your Escort could do a faster quarter mile than a Ferrari or Z06.

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[–] MaximRecoil (4049) 5 years ago

"Well, that's a whole lot different but not a whole lot better...

A ten second quarter mile means it takes forty seconds to do one whole mile equating to one and a half miles per minute. Multiplied by sixty minutes, that now works out to a mere 90mph - that's not very fast at all is it really?

I had a crappy 1.1 litre Ford Escort that could do that back in 1983... maybe that's fast compared to US cars as I wrote right back at the very beginning of this thread! ;-)))"

Your "crappy 1.1 litre Ford Escort" would probably do a quarter-mile in about 20 seconds or more. A quarter-mile is done from a standstill; it's a test of how fast the car can accelerate. It takes a powerful engine with a lot of traction to do 10 seconds in the quarter-mile. There are no inexpensive passenger cars that can even come close to doing it. Here are a few examples of "ten-second" production cars:

2006 Bugatti Veyron - 10.1 seconds at 142 mph
2018 Lamborghini Huracán Performante - 10.2 seconds at 136 mph
2015 McLaren 650S - 10.4 seconds at 136.1 mph

The fastest production car (in the quarter-mile) in history is the 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon (9.65 seconds at 140 mph).

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[–] moviechatterer (13226) 3 years ago

A ten second quarter mile means it takes forty seconds to do one whole mile equating to one and a half miles per minute. Multiplied by sixty minutes, that now works out to a mere 90mph - that's not very fast at all is it really?

Major , major, maths fail there buddy.

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[–] azhrarn-1 16 years ago

Bla bla bla bla... what a country...
You guys actually measure the greatness and speed of a car by making it go in a straight line... no wonder you guys have Nascar and we have Formula1.

Sure you can take a Jap car and make it into a 700bhp monster with 100k, that s why they used Japs in the films, cos they re cheap to mod V6s vs expensive V8, V10 not to mention V12s...

As for Ferraris, Lambos, Astons etc, they're not just about amazing speed (0-60 in 4.2 secs for the V8 F430!) but they'll corner like satan is holding them down and they'll stop dead just in time for Eva Mendez to pop in beside you, before driving off laughing at the guy with the 700bhp Supra that hot chicks can't tell from a Corolla...

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[–] stirlings_stunner 16 years ago

you dont know what your talking bout bro.
2006 Kawasaki ZX-14 motorcycle 9.65 sec @ 153 mph (246 km/h) [1]
2006 Bugatti Veyron 10.2 sec @ 141 mph (227 km/h) [2]
2007 Honda CBR600RR motorcycle 10.6 sec @ 133 mph (214 km/h) [3]
2004 Porsche Carrera GT 11.3 sec @ 131 mph (211 km/h) [4]
2005 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 11.5 sec @ 126 mph (203 km/h) [5]
2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 11.6 sec @ 126 mph (203 km/h) [6]
2005 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG 11.9 sec @ 123 mph (198 km/h) [7]
2006 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 12.2 sec @ 120 mph (190 km/h) [8]
2007 Mercedes-Benz CL600 12.4 sec @ 114.8 mph (184.8 km/h) [9]
2007 Bentley Continental GT 12.9 sec @ 108.5 mph (174.6 km/h) [10]
2005 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 13.2 sec @ 109 mph (175 km/h)

Rocket dragster 3.2 sec @ ~390 mph (630 km/h)

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[–] Kottandogi 17 years ago

trez767

You could put 25k into a PacerX and it will smoke almost anything stock no problem and maybe even a few bikes. But sure you could beat on a stock 360 or F-430 in your highly modified muscle car but with just basic bolt ons done to any Ferrari or Lambo, you could beat even the fastest production bike like a Hayabusa GSX-R1300 or a Kawasaki Ninja ZX-14 probably spending no more than 5k and then your back to sqare one. Also it would run laps on any Muscle car at any road course.

You want a stock Ferrari that can do that, look at the Enzo FXX, its got 800hp from the factory and is capable of running a high 10 second pass. So is the Mclaren F1 roadcar/GTR/Longtail and the Veyron. Also look like the CCR, thats capable of running a high 9'second pass right out of the box. Sure they aren't Ferraris but they are foreign and the only thing that could keep up with them is a twin turbo Viper or Vette.

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[–] kco31 17 years ago

What basic bolt ons are you gonna do to a Ferrari or Lamborghini? and for under 5 grand? A new aftermarket exhaust for a Lamborghini cost nearly 3 grand if not more.

High end exotics are great if you are gonna be doing road courses and stuff because they have the high reving motors and are able to stay in the powerband much more. but how many owners actually do that. As for acceleration. With all the power they make its not very impressive...800hp and only hitting 10's...stock z06 vette 500hp... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=469NvIOiz7U
Dont forget. America also has the Saleen S7 and the Ford GT

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[–] Kottandogi 17 years ago

You might want to check out Sp engneering, they have a few modified Lamborghini's and Ferrari's, There's a guy over there and his Diablo SV was modified with nothing more than removal of the airboxes, handmade exhaust and a 150shot of nitous and he ran 10.7 on the 1/4mile with the traps being well over 130mph with street tires with 630hp all motor and 750hp spray. Without the spray it was still a high 10second car with street tires. With just an off the sleif Borla exhaust done to a Lambo Murcielago or Ferrari Enzo it would be more than capable of running with a coupe of sportbikes like a Honda CBR or a Kawasaki ninja. Exhuast don't cost much and they are very effective especially with large engines like those found in many Exotics. A nitious system isn't a bad idea either you can get one for under 1k and litlary bolts into anycar.

As far as american muscle goes, The V-8 is probably the most capable engine of all time. However the LS7 and the Ford GT really are the only two true V-8s to come from the states, they have the prestage of a V-12 and they are well respected. The Saleen S7 is to kitcarish to be concidered a supercar, the engine from that a NASCAR engneered by Ford, the Ford GT is a muscle car wraped in Supercar clothing while the Corvette is the greatest Sportscar evermade even if it is the Z06.

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Get the *beep* down off of my obsitical course now!.

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