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All I can say is; this stinks!


OMG! I just finished watching Daniel Deronda and was SOOO disappointed by who he ends up choosing. I mean, what the heck? He so should have ended up with Gwen, I just didn't feel it between Mirah and Daniel. I did read the posts in other board discussing this but I though I'd say it just didn't end the right way to me. The ending would have been so much better if Hans ended up with Mirah and Gwen with Daniel. Maybe Mirah and Daniel could have ended up being siblings or something, that would have been better. Anyway, that's the end of my rant. Feel free to post in response.

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totally agree with you. I loved the series, but was sooo disappointed he didn't end up with gwendolene- i really thought they'd get together

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I disliked Gwen. She was spoiled and married mean old Grandcourt just so that she wouldn't have to be a governess--even after she promised Grandcourt's former flame that she wouldn't marry him. She was more or less selfish. I just didn't like her at all, and I'm glad that Daniel chose Mirah. He was a sweet person and it's right that he ended up with someone who wasn't a spoiled brat.


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I agree with heartsxstars89. I think Daniel and Mirah are better suited for each other; they're both the modest, down to earth type. I liked that the movie ended with Gwen figuring out her own life. She was way too stressed and sad to rush into anything serious, especially after what happened with Grandcourt. It would have been a very shallow story if she and Daniel were all like, "Okay the husband's gone! Let's get together now." This movie was completely unpredictable and true, which is why I appreciated it so much. So I must say, I was very happy with the way it ended.

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I just wanted Romola Garai and Hugh Dancy to get it on. As shallow as this may sound, that would've been hot.

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I agree with you eternalreturn, I really wanted Daniel to get it together with Gwen, although I have to admit that it was tantalising the way they almost kissed - sooo restrained - er...too restrained I hear you say, yes you're right. Every time I watch it, I am in tears at the end when I hear her letter to Daniel - saying that she is a better person for having known him and she's left behind on her own.....agghhh!!! . I suppose it was a more realistic conclusion, but who cares about reality in this instance! I go for your "shallow" approach, eternalreturn - oh well, we can fantasise I guess!

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I agree that Daniel went better with Gwen, but only because I felt they had more chemistry, whereas he and Mira seemed more like friends to me than lovers. Ah, well, the ending is quite emotive, just not the one I expected.

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You know, so many people felt the same things I did- that Dan just married Mirah because she was Jewish and had a great voice like his Mom and loved him and he felt it was his destiny- that I'm beginning to wonder if the filmmakers made it seem that way on purpose. I cried at the end of the movie. I didn't buy that Gwen was happy. I am a real-life Gwen in so many ways, and I am not happy without my Dan (although I gratefully tell the world that knowing him has made me a better person) and never will be.

I think he loves Gwen and knows it, but thinks he's going to be "holier" and a "better person" and it's his FATE and DESTINY that he HAS to marry a Jewess and be a great Jewish leader. Man, that's exactly what my real-life-Dan is like. Except with him he wants to be a Catholic Priest.

I should've read the book first, that's my usual policy. I HATED this movie. I suppose I mean I hate the ending. I'm sorry, but Mirah was kinda ugly. I do think Dan led Gwen on! He said he'd be there for her if she left her husband, but when he died, he just tells her he's going to marry Mirah. I hate the way he leaves Gwen with tears in her big blue eyes. I don't think he ever forgot her and bitterly regretted marrying Mirah. He may have wanted to do something good for his people, but he probably never felt he really fit in after having been a british gent his whole life. Probably the "bred in the bone" Jews looked down on him for having been a rich guy.

The way he looks at Gwen (in this movie, of course- I've never read the book but that doesn't matter, this is a movie board as someone else said)- there's a real earthy connection there. I think when Hans tells Dan hat Mirah loves Dan, Dan feels obligated to marry her. STUPID MEN!

Hans and Mirah, and Dan and Gwen. That's how it should've been!

If I had been Gwen or Hans, I would've commited suicide.

I relate 100% with Gwen in my own personal life. I also can say about my Dan that I am a better person for having known him- but I'd be even better if he would love me and be with me.

Sigh. I want perfect endings!

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I know! I can't believe he didn't choose Gwen. I was soo disappointed.

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Everyone wants him to choose Gwen because she's so beautiful.

I just watched this movie again and I realized that Gwendolen is just like Daniel's mother. They were both attractive women who ruled the men around them but eventually had to be subject to the rules of society. They also do not have the capacity to love, as the Countess candidly told Daniel herself.

I think it should be made clear that Gwendolen does not love Daniel. She needs him because she needs to find a way to forgive herself. Her life is shallow and selfish and she is drawn to his compassion and purity, but she does not love him and he does not love her. They're attracted physically but aside from that, they're completely wrong for each other.

I'm not going to say that Mirah is the perfect match or whatever, but Gwendolen definitely is not. I'm glad Daniel didn't end up with her.

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I think Gwen did learn to love Daniel by the end, she was only similar to Daniel's mother in the beginning. The Contessa never found her lover which is why she focused on her career, nothing topped that. But Gwen did find love in Daniel.



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I actually thought that Mirah was the perfect match for Dan, she would spend her time trying to make him happy, and she was a very loving, giving character. Should that be ignored just because another girl might be more "sparkly"? I think Gwen got such a wake-up call from Dan and Mirah's marriage, because she realized that she still had to deal with the bad consequences that resulted from her poor choices.

Gwen was such a taker, how long do you really think her relationship with Dan would last, when she had nothing to give to a relationship?

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Just my two cents, but, having read the book first, I must say I really didn't like the tweaks they added to this series. They did indeed make it seem like he was going to end up with Gwendolyn, they did not flesh out the Judaism thread enough: in the book it's plainly clear that he REALLY feels a bond to his heritage and that he slowly but surely falls in love with Mirah (distancing his emotions from Gwendolyn in the process). I was very satisfied with the book and loved it.

The series on the other hand tries to play up the drama of "unrequited love" and even reconfigures the way he proposes to Mirah. I think they shied away from the religion part of the series, and even left out a lot of the racism that went along with that, which made it much harder for the viewer to sympathize with Mirah. For instance Klesmer, and even the Cohen family, are meant to be examples of Jewish people who have strayed from their roots somewhat - conforming to Western life. Mirah and Mordechai are intensely pure with regards to their religion, something that Deronda is drawn to.

Not saying either is right or wrong. Just saying the series failed to reflect these aspects and thus the relationship of Deronda and Gwendolyn ends up seeming more legitimate.

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You are right: Daniel married Mirah because she was Jewish. That is Eliot's view and the point of the novel. Eliot did no believe in Universal Mankind. You cannot have a connection with people from other nations. And that is why Daniel and Gwen could not end up together. That is the point Eliot tried to made.

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I can see how the book may have made everything much more clear. I was also so disappointed when I realized who he had chosen. Whatever the reasons are that make total sense to character and everything else, I don't think this adaptation, as a film, did it's job of making the movie a build up to its ending, at least in the sense that the ending felt natural. From what I watched, he obviously cared for Mirah, and his dislike of Hans' affection was a signal, but he never showed the same chemistry as what he had with Gwen. All the almost kisses never coming to fruition, while the one kiss we get is between two people who have only had one scene which appeared to have any sexual tension, it was just such a let down as a viewer.

I'm perfectly prepared to believe that the story is ultimately about Daniel and Mirah belonging together, but I'm not prepared to believe that the film is. We invest so much into Gwen's character, but she isn't given any real cathartic conclusion. I don't believe we are made to care half as much for Mirah, other than the hope of her finding her family. I appreciate her as a secondary character, but I'm not nearly as intimately aware of her personality and virtues and flaws as Gwen or Daniel. She's not truly fleshed out to me, so I don't feel very much for her when Daniel proposes to her. I haven't seen enough of her to. The paths of Daniel and Gwen are told in parallel (they practically have equal billing for most of the film), as the dual leads of the story, and if the ultimate union in the story is not going to be the two of them, then some ground work needs to be made to make the last 20 minutes cohesive to the rest of the plot, particularly for someone who has not read the novel. Again, I criticize not so much the story as the way the filmmakers portrayed it. I felt totally misled, as if I had been asked to make emotional investments into characters that would never be returned (and I'm a very emotional viewer), all the tension on Gwen and Daniel was never released. It just felt like this unexploded bomb, and that was the end of the story. My gut reaction is that I'm left wanting.

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This mini-series was very poorly done; it lacked any emotional connection to the audience whatsoever. I really didn't care about the characters by the end: I wish they had done a better job of it, since I love long, period mini-series.

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Part of it is that, even though the movie is called Daniel Deronda, the main character seemed to be Gwen. It felt as if the Jewish part and Mirah and all was a subplot next to Gwen's story. We're used to, as movie audiences, seeing the two main characters get together, and therefore here, it should have been Gwen and Dan.
Perhaps they were trying to make the outcome uncertain up until the end, but we don't watch romances for mystery; we watch them for the romance. Like in Pride and Prejudice, yes, there's an edge of mystery to it, but we all know in the end Lizzie and Darcy are meant for each other. Didn't feel that for Mira and Dan. They should have made THEIR story the main plot, Gwen's the subplot, to where you always know Dan and Mira are gonna end up together, but there's still that edge of mystery.
And also, they shouldn't have started the movie with the interaction between Gwen and Dan, that makes you feel from the beginning that they're connected, and you hold onto that throughout the movie. No, they should have begun the movie with just Dan, went into HIS story, as he is the title character after all.

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On your last paragraph, I just wanted to point out that Gwendolyn and Daniel are meant to have had a connection which hints at the potential their relationship would have had - if only things had been different. It's supposed to be bittersweet, yes we see that they are attracted to each other from the first scene, but it doesn't necessarily play out that way. Plus in the book you learn that that scene is really just a flashback and he has actually met Mirah prior to Gwen in the casino. In fact we don't even really meet Daniel until 200 pages into the book.

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Haha, I'm totally the opposite. I was so happy to see Daniel pick Mirah. Gwen never seemed to truly love him--she just wanted him as a person who gives advice and who she talks solely about herself with.

I thought the eye contact that Daniel and Mirah made when he first sees her was incredible; right then I knew he felt something for her. Sure Daniel was much better looking than her, but since when did looks justify who you should/should not love?

Gwen was just too selfish. I think Daniel refusing her finally made her realize that she can't get everything she wants.
But I do agree that Daniel did have affections for Gwen as well. It's very much like Mansfield Park in a way-- Edmund has feelings for Ms. Crawford(who is very much like Gwen as well), but realizes that Fanny is the one he has loved all along.

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I just couldn't believe how incredibly slow this thing poked along! All of these actors have really proven their worth in subsequent years, but the direction, screenplay or something just didn't work for me on this one.

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Yeah, I came on the board to find a thread like this and vent.
I just watched this series for the first time, and it's soooo stupid how it ends! I understand that it's trying to stay true to the original novel by Eliot, but wtf, then CREATE MORE CHEMISTRY BETWEEN MIRAH AND DANIEL!!! I felt that during the scenes between Gwen and Daniel, there was sooo much intensity...when they almost kiss...you get the vibe that they are hot for each other.
But Mirah and Daniel are almost standoffish prior to him deciding to marry her, which seemed very implausible when judging the feelings that he had displayed.
Yes, Gwen was annoying, and I doubt Daniel could have stay with her after she told him about the drowning, but I still liked her more than Mirah, and felt sufficiently ripped off with the way things ended.



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I really liked it. I was glad he did not end up with Gwen; there was nothing appealing about her other than her outward appearance. Plus I found Romola Garai's acting to be pretty bad. Everything seemed calculated and she couldn’t keep her mouth closed when she was frightened or crying, it was really annoying. I think Daniel ended up with the right woman, one who was more like himself. Quiet humble, and lived a simple life. I actually liked his side of the story more than Gwen's, I probably would have liked her side better had someone else played Gwen, Romola was awful. She was better in Emma, but her acting comes across very calculated & average IMO.

Also I think everyone was singing their parts in the movie. Romola was awful as well in that scene lol. Not sure if that was purposely done considering her talent was called “common” later in the movie, but it was bad.

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I liked the series but hated the ending. I didn't see any signs of attraction between Dan and Mira during the whole series. It was like a landlord stopping by to check on his tenant. The scene where Dan and Gwen almost kissed was hot. He pretty much promises her that he will choose her if she leaves her husband. Also, Sir Hugo was his father all his life and being a Jew was looked down upon, although somewhat accepted. He knows all these choices he is making at the end will hurt his father and he is his father's only heir. Does he not feel any responsibility to his father? He spends the whole story doing things for others, but he can't fulfill what he KNOWS his fathers wishes to be (to live in England as a gentleman and inherit his estate)? They did a crap job of building up any believable story that Dan had any feeling for Mira before he found out he was Jewish.

To each their own...opinion

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You're right, they did a crap job. Daniel does NOT almost promise her he will stay with Gwendolyn in the book, in fact it's really clear to the reader that he is trying to find a way to still support her but not profess any love for her. I hate how the film made us doubt that.

Moreover it's not even made clear that Daniel is considered illegitimate. He CAN'T inherit anything from Sir Hugo.

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He only inherits because Sir Hugo's only legitimate male heir dies. Because of this, he is able to name a son who does not hold his name (at least in the filmed adaptation), as women could often not inherit property.

To each their own...opinion

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I believe he plans on giving it to his daughters, who then give it to their sons.

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It's been a little while since I saw this series, but I don't remember seeing any daughters. He seemed to spend all his time with his illegitimate son, or with his nephew if forced to when he had business to conduct.

To each their own...opinion

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Considered illegitimate? Rumoured perhaps but he was adopted, isn't that legally binding?



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