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Cremaster... what the hell just happened?


Nothing prepared me for this... The only thing I can say i'm sure is that the cremaster cycle is a disturbing and wonderful experience simultaniously.
I saw the whole cycle straight (2 breaks) in an overcrowded cinema, in lisbon (portugal) for 9 €, which i thought was cheap, and i can't stop thinking about it. i loved the images. my favorite was cremaster 5 (the most understandable, i guess), i also liked the mood of 1, 2 and 3. i can see the methamorphosis of sexuality, feelings. i can see characters indistinctive from the objects. i can see the destiny attached to the desumanized characters. the doom. just things existing. there's surrealism in every single frame. and i felt amost good in that dreamworld, because looks like you understand most of it more in a intuitive way than by racionalization. besides, this is Barney's personal dreamworld.

and i thought "eraserhead" was weird enough...
maybe barney inspired lynch in some way. i thought about "mulholland dr." all the time, mostly watching cremaster 3.
If you are just looking for the visual experience, this is the definitive thing to watch while high.

R.
(portugal)

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Hi there
I must say I, too, was unsettled by the Cremaster cycle, but still I found it a brilliant piece of art. Loved the images too, some of them trully beautiful. However I thought that Cremaster 2 was by far the most 'understandable', and one of the most interesting.
Btw, I watched it in the same cycle you did - in Coimbra, in Cinema Avenida (part of the King Cinemas too) just that here it wasn't all in a row, but in three days. Which was good, I suppose. Not so overcrowded here, but still with quite a nice audience. It's great that we get the chance to watch this movies here, since there are no DVDs available (only private collectors have it for horrible sums of money, I read).
(Writing in english because thought it'd be stupid to be writing a board in portuguese on imdb.) Anyway I'm from Coimbra, nice to see no-dumb Portuguese people around.

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I second that!

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and i thought "eraserhead" was weird enough...
maybe barney inspired lynch in some way. i thought about "mulholland dr." all the time, mostly watching cremaster 3.
If you are just looking for the visual experience, this is the definitive thing to watch while high. - ricardoblabla

not trying to seem rude or anything, but you just said you thought eraserhead was weird enough...and that maybe barney inspired lynch in some way...but you miss the point that David Lynch made Eraserhead when Barney was still in middle school. age 10. so ya. i take it you mean lynch inspired barney.

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BUT, since Mulholland Drive is diagonal and nonlinear maybe it doesn't matter if Mattew Barney was 10 years old. He could've. He could've. Inspired.

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I've always found Barney much less contemptable than Lynch.

Barney's work seems honest in its weirdness... its his art, created out of his mind and its not meant to necessarily make "sense."

Lynch tries to pretend that there are answers behind Mulholland when most of it is nothing more than schlock he threw together to weird people out. There's something utterly dishonest about his films.

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what??
i wouldn't even think of pretending to "understand" barney's work without reading about it first. with mulholland drive however, at least 90% percent of it made perfect sense to me after the second viewing... i mean, lynch is still about entertainment after all..

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yea, that's effed up, altosax. Mulholland Drive makes total sense in every way shape & form to me. maybe you just gotta watch it a few more times. or find a cliff notes or something on it..

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Lynch is no where near as impenetrable as Barney. The former sees how much he can warp and distort a narrative thread while still maintaining comprehensibility; the latter dismisses narrative altogether and merely regurgitates inchoate symbolic/mythic/referent jumbles onto a projected screen. I'd say, given their goals, Lynch is far more successful: with the exception of "Lost Highway," his movies actually have simplistic plot-lines that come through after one or two viewings, but are subsumed in spectacularly cinematic evocations of mood. Some of them, like "The Elephant Man," "Wild at Heart" and "The Straight Story," are even downright mainstream ("Wild at Heart" is, admittedly, rather extreme, but it's still basically just pulp). And even with "Lost Highway," Lynch has readily admitted that he also has no idea what exactly is going on, so how is he being 'dishonest?' Barney so far has produced little beyond megalithic testaments to his own art-cult personality (accompanied, as all high art must, with volumes upon volumes of pseudo-explanatory obfuscation intended, rather dishonestly, to elucidate its 'meaning'), and in terms of basic structural quality (not in terms of concept or art design, but raw filmic effect), the cycle progresses from gassy student-film indulgence to the workmanlike sheen of overproduced infomercials. The closest Lynch ever comes to Barney-esque navel gazing is in "Eraserhead," and that was 20 years prior and executed with a h*lluva lot less ego (at least Lynch doesn't *star* in the thing) and a h*lluva lot more self-awareness and wit. "Eraserhead" is actually pretty droll in parts; people try to claim the same of "Cremaster 3", but I think they're confusing 'droll' with 'insistently abstruse.'

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