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"Half vampire, half lycan, but STRONGER than both."


For those who don't understand how Michael wasn't actually STRONGER than Viktor, remember that when the Lycan medic was explaining their plan, he said the plan was to use the blood of an ELDER VAMPIRE like Amelia or Viktor, which when combined with the blood of an ancient werewolf like Lucian, would've made the hybrid "stronger than both."

They never injected Michael with Amelia's blood. He had to settle for Selene's bite, so while he was strong enough to go blow for blow with Viktor for a while, he was never what he was originally supposed to be.

For the franchise, Michael couldn't end up being far superior to Selene, which he would've been had he become that super-hybrid, so there's no way the writers were going to make him that. Would've made more sense for the franchise to become Scott Speedman's then, which they weren't going to do, lol.

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Plus he didn't have a sword nor centuries of experience as a warrior, he had been a hybrid for a whole two minutes and had no technique and had just been shot numerous times with silver ammo immediately before Victor put him into a choke hold.
And he did not feed until well into the second film, so has not reached his potential regardless.
Of course Victor should be the stronger.
The question is why are all the other death dealers such physically weak sacrificial fodder for the Lycans in hand to hand combat, why are they so weak relative to Victor who is just as much Marcus' spawn as they are.

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Yeah I know what the hell was with the first vanpire?

So he's chasing him, knowing full well it's a wear wolf...so he tackles him and just stares as he starts turning into a giant beast.

I remember watching thinking wow the guy is turning what's the vamp gonna do? Stab him? Run? Nope just stand there and hiss and die....guess they want selene to be the only competent vampire in the whole coven

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I don't know why this topic was necessary or even this idiotic explanation by the moronic op:

"For those who don't understand how Michael wasn't actually STRONGER than Viktor, remember that when the Lycan medic was explaining their plan, he said the plan was to use the blood of an ELDER VAMPIRE like Amelia or Viktor, which when combined with the blood of an ancient werewolf like Lucian, would've made the hybrid "stronger than both."


Michael IS stronger than both vampire and werewolf. The fact that he wasn't stronger than Viktor is IRRELEVANT.
the fact that he didn't have the blood of an elder is also irrelevant.

Even as he is, Michael was already stronger than the average vampire or werewolf.

Think about it: Michael had only just transformed for only a few minutes and he was already almost on PAR with the STRONGEST vampire in the movie.

The statement goes: "Half vampire, half lycan, but stronger than both."

It doesn't say: "stronger than any/all vampire or werewolf ever possibly conceived.

As a species, the fact that his strength immediately made him as strong as the strongest vampire out there is makes his strength quite self explanatory.

Viktor is an exception (to an ordinary vampire) because he has lived for centuries and gotten stronger over time. He is an elder vampire, a higher class and strength above ordinary vampires or werewolves.

Hybrid michael was already the same power as viktor, who is above the strength of ordinary vampires an werewolf, so that makes the quote:
"Half vampire, half lycan, but stronger than both." to still be true.

Seriously, if anyone is as stupid as the OP is and needed this simple fact to be explained. You're a fking idiot.


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Seriously, if anyone is as stupid as the OP is and needed this simple fact to be explained. You're a fking idiot.
Feeling better about yourself now?

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Hey Brandescock,

OP didn't need anything explained you judgmental c?nt. Learn how to read.

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OP also didn't need to explain anything (which was also completely wrong and unnecessary as well) you stupid c?nt
I know how to read fkface. you clearly don't because I wasn't explaining anything to him except telling him that his reasoning was wrong.

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I've just been disappointed they haven't brought Michael back for any recent movies. Sure wanted to see him in the new one coming out.

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So he won't be in the sequel coming out? Shame! 

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Michael was DEFINITELY stronger than Viktor (a lot faster too). He was tearing him apart for most of the fight. But don't forget that he had no experience in fighting and had only JUST transformed for the first time while Viktor had been a vampire and had battle experience for several centuries. Even so, Viktor only really gained the upper hand when the Death Dealers started shooting at him.
When it came down to it, Michale didn't need the blood of an Elder because he had the Corvinus gene. Naturally, anyone closer to the the Corvinus bloodline would have greater strength, and the Elders were as close to the Corvinus line (being turned by Marcus) as they got.

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The OP has a point. The doctor did say that they would inject Michael with the blood of an elder, not just any vampire’s blood. They were indeed planning to inject Michael with Amelia’s blood, which is what the black Lycian (Raze) had with him in a syringe.

So it’s possible that Michael didn’t end up as powerful as he could’ve been. But then again, Selene’s blood might have been up there too. She had the ability to reawaken Victor, and the movie said only elders had the ability to reawaken elders.

I guess it’s speculative. Was Michael as strong as he could have been?

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