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Load of bollocks for several reasons


Balian defeated three heavily-armed and highly-trained Templar warriors...with fuckin rocks? Don't tell me- 10 mins' training with Liam in the forest?

Balian refused to have his dire enemy (Guy) murdered...and to marry his fiance/wife (whom he fancies)???

Balian's ultra-hippy PC speech about Jerusalem being nobodys, but all have claim???? What medieval knight would ever have said this shit???

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Give me more reasons

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There are loads, I watched it last ages ago.

Those three stick with me, and are enough as it is!

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I need at least 3 more reasons to qualify it as loads

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Sorry I'm not following ''your rules'', it's my opinion and you'll have to learn to disagree.

Could have been great, but Bloom was no lead man, character a wimp.

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I just need you to cite and discuss further examples

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This is one of those movies that is improved by the director's cut, which fleshes out the story a bit more.

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You raise good points.

1. The Director's Cut fleshes out Bloom's character and background much more significantly, we learn he is a veteran of several wars and is well-versed in fighting, but on horse and on foot. So this reason I am going to disagree with.

2. Yeah I agree. Syntinen (RIP) had some great posts about this before, but it didn't feel earned enough for me. Yes, Norton's speech about always being just and standing before god came back into play here, and that's why Balian spared him...but come on. Because of that decision thousands and thousands more will die too, people in many cases far more innocent than Guy.

What they should have done was make Guy more like he was in real life. A well-intentioned, but largely spineless leader who was too easily manipulated by the forces around him (particularly Reynald of Chatillon and Gerard de Ridefort). As an innocent and slighly helpless guy, having him MURDERED would weigh on Balian's conscience for sure. It would make the decision far more intriguing.

3. Agreed. Some real philosophical anachronisms going on with that speech. Although I do ****love**** the 'who do you think you are? Will you alter the world? Does making a man a knight make him a better fighter?!" And the looks on everyone's face answers his question.

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I still hold out on point 1, even another great Templar/Hospitaller would have struggled against three other elite warriors such as these, fully armed- let alone with rocks?

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