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How did this show end???


i remember watching a few episodes but never saw the ending...it was a great show though, too bad its done.

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john finds out that digger is the boss of the phoenix.

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was that the very last one?

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Yes, that was the last episode.

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I couldnt believe it when i saw the end and that just totally blew me away. I cant believe that they ended the show with that. I think they should maybe atleast do a mini series to end the show because that is just too big a cliff hanger to stop any show with especially one that was as good as john doe that left way too many questions to be answered.

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Personally, I don't think it was literally Digger he saw in that last scene. It wouldn't make sense for it to be Digger.

I've come up with a number of theories, some wilder than others.

1> It was Digger, but not Digger. Digger was suffering from multiple personality disorder. Most of the time he was Digger, but sometimes he became someone else, with no knowledge of being Digger. Maybe even more than one someone-elses. One of those someone-elses happened to be the head of Phoenix group, and had telekinetic powers, while none of his other selves did. (Remember, the man Doe was chasing at the end of the episode was able to make that mine-car move without touching it. Digger never manifested any kind of psychic abilities anywhere else in the series.)

2> It was Digger's body, but some other entity had temporarily taken him over and was operating him like a puppet, or had inserted itself into his body directly and shut down Digger's consciousness. This could be a non-carporial being (shades of "The Fallen") or it could be a brain in a jar on life support but having the psi-power to take over selected bodies at will, and also having telekenetic powers. This would be a pretty handy ability, actually, since the head of the Phoenix group would never be captured, since it was never the same person twice!

3> Digger was pretending to be the head of the Phoenix group that occasion, having knocked out the real guy and taken his place as a kind of on-his-own mission of infiltration of the group in order to throw a monkey wrench into the Phoenix group's plans. (Okay, that's a really daft one, but you never know.)

And then there's my personal favorite:

4> The real head of Phoenix group was someone who could telepathically project an "I am not here, you never saw me!" mental-suggestion into peoples heads. This could manifest itself as a kind of invisibility, sort of as if someone had hypnotised you to not see the man standing there. He could walk right by you and you'd simply not think to look in his direction, as if this particular body walking by was irrelivant and you had more important things to focus your attention on...

BUT! Sometimes it could manifest itself as "You see your most trusted friend standing there." He could walk through a crowd, and one person in that crowd would see his pastor walking by, another would see his Amway upline diamond, another would see his old army buddy, another his great grandfather, another the President, and so on. And Doe would see... Digger!


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I can kinda see what your saying but i still think it was digger himself. If he could project an image of any one then it would have been even more shocking and confusing if it looked exactly like john himself. With digger being the head of phoenix it helps explains some of his mannerisms towards the govnt and why they always use sign language though i your multiple personalities might be the best theory. I believe digger, john, and the cop were all trapped in that simulated mars facility and digger could have died if john didnt figure out it was the oxygen sensor thing that was sabatoged and if he and john had died then the phoenix group would go nowhere fast.

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I was just scouring the Internet for endings for the series.. not so much of a search, but i think this makes sense. John Doe was a real person, real as anyone else, but he was someone who had such a near death experience that he went through that phase a that a person goes through when they die "when the learn everything there is to know about everything".. digger and the rest of them, were trying to make it so John Doe didn't find out about what happened to him

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|82358|1|,00.html

actual text:
"[According to the show], when you're very close to death, when you're seeing the white light, God or a higher being gives you all the information of life to carry on to the next life," Berman says. Doe was about to die, but for whatever reason -- Berman didn't say why Thursday -- he lived after being imparted with that knowledge.

The shadowy people who were after Doe knew what happened to him and were trying to keep him from discovering it himself," Berman says.

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Yeah, I remember reading this a couple years ago, it was definitely Digger in that last scene, it made far more sense than he being a know-it-all/jack-of-all-trades bartender.

I personally liked that the series ended, they really F-CKED UP with the casting, the show is full of hack actors, Dominic was a big one, but he was very good for the part, Jayne/Avery was annoying and Frank was the worst, a flat actor who can't portray any emotion outside a smirk in his face, some episodes really insulted your intelligence, but overall, I found that Phoenix storyline very good, but when I read the interview above, I was very glad they cancelled the show, can you imagine wait five years for something lame like that, thx, but one 'Alias' is enough.

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I must say you have the most reasonable theory. But let me conlude it. The reason why it would have been great that it was Digger John saw in the last episode is simply: "Keep your friends close but enemies closer". We didn't even see what they did to John and why he is so smart. And the ugly woman who misleaded John and died said "we should've just tell you the truth". What truth? Think about that. And maybe Digger trusted on John inside that simulated facility and know (as he was his own creation) that John would get them out. Or maybe the facility and army really didn't have nothing to do with the phoenix. I really hope they would start doing this show again and maybe they will 'couse Dominic Purcell has gained more fame becouse of Prison break.

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It's like The Pretender, did anybody watch that show? They canceled that and left it with the biggest cliff hanger ever, I wish they'd at least to the fans a favor and wrap the show up a bit better than that. I miss the Pretender, and this show, but Dominic is in Prison Break now which is much better, so I don't mind so much.

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Driveshaft...Pretender has two movies out...Parker and Jarod survived the blast

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oh...really? you mean they made movies like after the show?

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yeah...should be on this site if you search

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They ended The Lone Gunman with a huge cliffhanger too, but at least that got cleaned up (a little) years later in the X-Files.

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They hadn't planned on ending the show there and the show did fine. It was back when they had the screenwriters strikes and those inside said it was a casualty of that happening. They had to move it around etc. Wikipedia said this:

"Due to the series' cancellation, the final episode ended with an unresolved cliffhanger, revealing that Digger, John's close friend, was in fact the true leader of the Phoenix Organization. In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, series creators Brandon Camp and Mike Thompson revealed what would have happened and John Doe's true identity.

Make that someone who looked like John's friend. The villain unmasked in the finale was actually just a Phoenix member with some fancy facial reconstruction. Turns out, the Phoenix believed Doe was the Messiah and its members were actually protecting Doe from a second group, which wanted him dead. The truth: Doe was injured in a boating accident. That mark on his chest? A scar left by a piece of shrapnel from the explosion. His Überbrain? A by-product of transcending his body during a near-death experience, traveling to a spiritual plane where all the universe's questions are answered."

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"The show's final episode revealed that Digger, one of John's closest friends, was in fact the true leader of the Phoenix Organization.

Meanwhile, in contrast to the revelations of the show's producers, Dominic Purcell revealed in an interview at the Television Critics Association winter press tour that "apparently I was the messiah returned," confirming an earlier report in Entertainment Weekly. As for the Phoenix group? "They were working for the Vatican. The Catholics. They didn't want it to be revealed that the true Christ had returned."

A different explanation was eventually put forward by the show's producers in the pages of Entertainment Weekly. The article read, in part:

Where We Left Off: Doe was helping the police solve crimes and being tracked by a seemingly nefarious group called the Phoenix Organization. He finally unmasked the big bad, a villain nicknamed Stocking Cap -- his friend, Digger (played by William Forsythe)!


What Would Have Happened: Make that someone who looked like Digger. The villain unmasked in the finale was actually just a Phoenix member with some fancy facial reconstruction. Turns out, the Phoenix believed Doe was the Messiah and its members were actually protecting Doe from a second group, which wanted him dead. The truth: Doe was injured in a boating accident. That mark on his chest? A scar left by a piece of shrapnel from the explosion. His Überbrain? A by-product of transcending his body during a near-death experience, traveling to a spiritual plane where all the universe's questions are answered, and returning.... naked!


So Who is John Doe?! "You'd think we actually would have come up with his name," the show's producer revealed. "We have no idea," he finally admitted, before adding "Fred." "
++++++++++++++These are not my views and opinions however I got them from a source that is user edited (Wikipedia, of course) so this excerpt from their article may or may not be true. I know i've never seen or heard about any Entertainment Weekly issues (other than the ones cited on Wikipedia) with said stories in them, but I just may have overlooked them. Oh, and sorry if anybody has posted this or something extremely similar already, I just figured i'd through my two-cents in.

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