what does everyone think this movie really says ?
what does everyone think this movie really says ?
shareMan eating chicken.
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I thought the 'man eating chicken' scene was pretty funny, hence my first reaction :P
I think this movie doesn't have 1 obvious message, or anything it wants to say. It's just like a very long and filmed dylan song, where each scene (or line) can be analyzed as far as you would like to analyze it, but the danger is that it may just as well all be nonsense :) my advice is, don't think to much about it, just enjoy the mystery that is Bob Dylan, and learn from him whatever you think you need to learn.
that makes sense all you say, I think Dylan thinks like that fragmented, just an outspilling of thoughts
the man and chicken was funny
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This is just Bob being Bob. It says everything and nothing. It all depends on what the viewer brings to the viewing. At points while watching it I was thinking, "Here it is, Bob in his purest form, finally opening up and revealing the inner layers," and then at other times I realized that he was just messing with us. Ultimately, I think the truth lies somewhere in between. If I had to come up with a meaning, the man eating chicken thing is probably the best answer.
shareA lot of dangerous political stuff: Money rules the world, abetted by violence; no one is safe; oh yeah and America is turning into a third-rate banana republic. Total fiction, you understand.
Absolutely nothing whatsoever. Made me furious. I should have watched CSI Miami or whatever was on TV tonight - not that I really enjoy that kind of crap, but this kind of pretentious crap is worse than a professionally made piece of porn - porn does not abuse good actors and does not try to attract halfway intelligent people into watching it.
shareDo you ever listen to his music? Do you like it? If the answer to either of those questions is no then I'm sure you didn't like it. It was much like the music and maybe-I don't know-like the man. He can be- in song, brilliant and confusing, funny and possibly dead serious, but always profound and always poetic. I just took my teen age daughters to see him in concert in April and at times the words were completely incomprehensible, the songs we all knew-and came ready to sing along with -he'd change the tune to. WE LOVED ever blessed minute of it.
I think he and Larry Charles may be messing with us a bit. But we fans let him and we love it. Everyone comes to sit at his feet and ask the true meaning of life and I think here they are telling us that it's all up to each of us to wade through it all. Dylan himself turned to faith in Christ for the answers. Maybe the most profound thing in it is the Givanni Ribisi part where he as the soldier explains all aspects of the war they are in. His switching sides, Goodman's Uncle Sweetheart character, Cheech Marin's commentary on which way to travel, even Kilmer's hilarious animal wrangler character all prove one point-what you see depends on where you are standing when you look.
I watched this one, turned around and watched it with the director's commentary and re-rented it so my 16 year old can watch it. I will likely buy it so I can take it apart more. I think it is homage by Larry Charles to the work of one man, yet the man himself stands there and says he is just a songwriter. Sure is an interesting study and somehow it inlicits in me what his songs do...deep feelings and an invitation to deeper thoughts on whatever I want to feel and think on. I thought it was brilliantly acted. Yeah a little hard to follow at first, then I caught it's rhythm. Characters who wanted to show themselves spoke more and gave clear pictures. Understated dialogue left you the pauses to think in.
Val Kilmer's character exposes the central theme of this movie: "Man is the lowest form of existence." The title is a reference to reprehensible Man, who has no place on this earth.
And the opening rant exposes a parallel theme: "Christianity is Man's worst blunder."
The setting, I guess, is supposed to unmask America. It's not some possible future in some alternate universe. It's the actual U.S. of A. with all it's black-face and disguises rubbed off to expose the real McCoy. So, in a nutshell, this movie wants us to understand this:
Humans suck, Christians suck and the United States suck. In other words, it's selling the same old tired out nonsense which is the cornerstone of the Liberal Democratic Party.....which explains why so many of Hollywood's finest were so eager to take part in this piece of crap.
Gotta love the tunes, though.
Dylan can't act for toffee.
shareStuntbaby63,
The ruling dictatorship in the film are called the Democrat Republican's in an attempt to be ambiguous. Dylan's famously indifferent when it comes to politics and as this film was mostly written by him under the pseudonym Sergei Petrov I doubt that it was meant to be an attack on neo-conservatism or christian values. It's certainly not a vehicle for Liberal Democratic propaganda as you suggest.
It's a film that uses lots of different schools of thought and belief systems to try and make sense of the world. It's loaded with representative characters such as a Christian (Cruz), a misanthropic evolutionist (Kilmer), capitalists (Lange), politicians (Rourke), musicians, soldiers (Ribisi), etc. Dylan's main point is that he quite simply doesn't know the answers. He doesn't know whose right or wrong and he's stopped trying to figure it out.
"They say that beauty is truth and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I stopped trying to figure it out a long time ago" (this quote's not exact but I can't be bothered going through the DVD to find it. The points definitely in there though).
The film is an attempt to create a morally confused, allegorical landscape that emulates Dylan's own confusion at trying to make sense of the world.
That's my attempt at a reading anyway.
Whether I'm right or wrong is as good a guess as Dylan's.
anti-war movie
It´s World´s review by Dylan
every Character represnets something.
The journalist: The press. (Dylan has never liked press)
The producers
The idealist (soldier at the bus)
The concicence (Penélope Cruz)
The goverment (Micky Rourke)
The Show (Ed Harris)
All the characters mean somenthing and Dulan´s point of view.
It´s a kind of Desolation Row movie
I think, like a lot of people said, it represents a lot of different things, such as America, war, politics, social issues and religion, these said issues being "masked" literally, the title says a lot, actually (and for anyone who thinks this movie had no plot or was poorly-planned, just reflect a minute on how the title refers, in different ways, to every minute of the film from the opening clips to Dylan rolling away in the cop car at the end). Mostly, though, I think it's about Real Life, that is to say, is almost an exaggerated version, more real even, than actual reality- dirty, gritty, and very, very real, it's this kind of hyperreal world where emaciated hobos sit on garbage-strwen streets doing nothing all day, wearing plastic swim goggles, drug addicts and manic bankers alike, dressed in tattered business suits rush past signs printed in 10 different languages to get to dingy bars to drown their sorrows....basically, it's just how gritty, raw, and ultimately kind of meaningless life really is. Like the line says, there's nothing to really figure out, so he "stopped trying to figure everything out a long time ago."
shareWhat a bunch of BS .. this movie is crap and so is his singing .. What a waste of time for everyone involved .. really sad .. but yet funny as hell .. It really shows what little talent he has .
"A man that wouldn't cheat for a poke don't want one bad enough".