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man in the bag

posted 19 years ago by guyw77
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This movie just came out on DVD here. I really liked it. Am a big fan of noir films in general, and Clive Owen. We don't get to see as many British films here as I would like. I'm still thinking about the ending as I believe was the director's intention. But also I'm wondering about the man in the bag who was left in Frank Turner's garden. Who was he? What was his relationship to Turner? Did Will Graham put him there? His former mates were shown driving in a car right after that scene? which would seem to indicate that they did it. On their own? Perhaps because they thought Turner's position was weakened with Will back? Or on Will's orders? One other thing I was wondering about. Was Mickser gay? He mentioned loving Davey. Which of course could mean loving him as a brother. But when Will told him how Davey died Mickser reacted angrily and said that he didn't have anything to do with "making him that way" meaning I think that Mickser assumed it had something to do with a homosexual encounter gone wrong. Or maybe not. It wasn't clear what he meant. There were several threads running thru the movie and it was not always clear how or if they connected.

[–] dianying88888 19 years ago

The director mike hodges does not intend for relationships between characters in this film to be clear, and at no point is the substance behind the relationships ever made specific, we only get hints, rampling's character was in a relationship with will, will's has street credibility, mickser feels close to will/davey but why is unclear,

i think some of your questions were addressed in the film though,

-i don;t think any of the characters in this film are gay, this film lacks almost any sexual theme or motivations, the rape is simply an act of agression and humiliation
-the man in the bag is the man from the party that notifies boad when davey leaves the party, his information is obtained by the blond girl who mickser goes to see and ask about davey the night of the party
-will's old crew planted the man in the bag in the garden, that act has a comic element and we see the crew react, they do hint that they want to get at turner but whether this was a pure turf play vs helping will is not addressed
-mickser is not gay, is relationship to will/davey is not clear, however they are not kin,
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[–] winstonwolfe 19 years ago

I'll have to disagree about the man in the bag. I was fairly sure he was Turner's bodyguard-- the guy who spoke to Will in the moving car. It was because he was incapacitated/humiliated (and presumably killed) that the driver convinced Turner to get his cousin to do the 'work' for him, and why they picked the cousin up. I thought in the scene with the driver discussing his cousin he said something like "Now that (Bodyguard's name) is gone, you'll need somebody".

[–] MaxSlapWell 19 years ago

I agree that the bagged man is the bodyguard who stole the cigarette packets from the corner store. Turner's driver says he was past it ... and had it coming. Like much of the film there were far too many threads left dangling and unanswered ... maybe that was director Hodges' idea but not my idea of making a watchable movie.
I, too, was amazed when the credits rolled ... I logged onto IMDB for some answers and am slightly gladdened to find I was not alone ...

[–] dianying88888 19 years ago

per last two posts, you guys appear to be correct, will have to look again at next viewing, egg on my face, i did enjoy how hodges left answers unanswered

[–] Demarates 15 years ago

Agreed, they presented Turner with his own henchman. Neatly wrapped and in drag...

Dude had a weird belly button btw.

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