I realize that the Japanese are much more comfortable with the idea of two dudes in love than we Americans and I also realize that the relationship between Guts and Griffith was slashy AND necessary, however, I am sooooo glad Caska was in this to keep it from turning into Broke Back Berserk....
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I had this whole thing I was ready to type in response to this, but really, every time I think about this series nowadays, I just turn into a big steaming pile of anger and emotion, and I can't get my thoughts out clearly.
Griffith...that f--king hypocrite piece of sh-t. The very sight of him, or sound of his voice makes me want to vomit.
"A person with the potential to be my true friend must be able to find his own reason for life without my help. And he should put his heart and soul into protecting his dream. He would never hesitate to fight for his dream, even against me."
That's EXACTLY what Guts did, and for it, Griffith punished Guts and Casca worse than anything he endured in that dungeon. That f--king coward.
Like I said, lot's of anger...
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I love all the akward, stillbild, MACHO looks they give eachother xD yeah, it's good Caska is there and a relation, both emotional and sexual, gets developed betweeen her and Gatsu and.. yeah, she's necessary for the ending.
edit: Oh, and if ya haven't read the manga there's a missing part from it about Gatsu's childhood that involve all this, and blooms up in a memorable way in his and Caska's sex scene. Not sure if it's necessary to keep it unspoiled, but whatever.
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"Every time your pigtails sway, it jolts my heart"
I finally broke down and bought ALL the episodes to read and I haven't gotten to it yet....Mostly, I want to find out what happens after the five friggin' volumes of flash back....Anyway....
Yea, I'm not a homophobe or anything, but this one teeters on the edge just a few to many times for me....I mean, I have friends I've been back to back with in some viscous fights, and never once, not a single time, did we have a water fight in the nude. Just ain't gonna happen....
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Well, certainly that's a testament to the writing prowess of this particular anime...he was created and meant to be despised in a very subtle and devious way...You however, seem to have skipped the subtle part and went right for the *beep* You" portion of the hatred. Which is, now that I think about it, pretty friggin' cool....
The greatest trick the Devil ever played was the one with deck of cards and...
You however, seem to have skipped the subtle part and went right for the *beep* You" portion of the hatred.Yes, yes I did. I really love tough female characters, and pretty much as soon as I set eyes on her, I was absolutely head over heels for Casca. As Guts says of her, "What a woman." To think that in the manga, she's even more beautiful. Even more the image of the perfect female form ;)
Which is, now that I think about it, pretty friggin' cool....Thanks...I think...
No, no....it's totally cool...If I could figure out a way to stalk the Major from Ghost in the Shell, I would, believe me. Every time I watch her pull the lid off of the tank, I experience some kind of satori, or epiphany. Amazing. Absolutely, amazing. But yea, I totally dig what you're saying about having empathy for a fictionally character, but then, how real are the real people we see on TV? In reality, they are no more real, as our interaction with them is exactly the same: They read lines they didn't create. They are pixels on our computers, or lines of electrons on our TV's. Perhaps in some ways, Caska is MORE real than Ultraviolet, as Caska can be nothing but Caska, but Ultraviolet will go back to being Milla Jovovich once principle filming is complete. In the end, since we will never REALLY interact with them except for in our mind, Caska is as real as Milla Jovovich. Or the Major for that matter.
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That's EXACTLY what Guts did, and for it, Griffith punished Guts and Casca worse than anything he endured in that dungeon. That f--king coward.
And? Did Griffith say that if such a situation arose, that he would not oppose them? No, he didn't. And they weren't fighting against him for their dreams or ideals, they were simply doing it for survival; not the same thing. Griffith would therefore not acknowledge that. Griffith was talking about his standards for a friend; an equal. He would not accept anyone that was not as driven and ambitious as himself as a friend.
But all of that is irrelevant, since it does not apply at all to what was happening during the eclipse. The old Griffith was gone. His time spent locked away shattered his mind, warped him, and the length to which he would go to reach his goals forever changed him.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
And? Did Griffith say that if such a situation arose, that he would not oppose them?I don't know you, and you don't know me.
We owe each other nothing, but if I were ever to ask a total stranger for a single kindness, it would be to never attempt to justify what happened to Casca and Guts.
Perhaps I can accept that in regards to Guts. However, how Griffith chose to truly punish Guts, directly involves Casca, and that is where my rage stems.
I suppose it's not hard to see, this topic is a very sensitive one for me :(
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Casca was something they both wanted-- though Griffith only wanted her because she began to want Guts more than him, and even though he had no interest in Casca, he still wanted her to want him. What better way to not only hurt Guts in the worst way, but also exert ownership of the "object" that is Casca? Rape her in front of Guts.
We must also remember that the old Griffith was gone. Femto is not who we knew as Griffith. The old Griffith died in the dungeons of Windham. He was a different person after being rescued, and changed even more after his transformation(s).
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
What better way to not only hurt Guts in the worst way, but also exert ownership of the "object" that is Casca?I seriously get sick to my stomach just thinking about it :( I envy people who can discuss what happened, and not feel as though they're going to vomit every two seconds.
i don't understand why some people believe there is a romantic connection between guts and griffith.
having a nakid waterfight does not qualify as being gay.
To kids, practically any time two people of the same sex are even next to each other is bordering on homosexuality.
At least this thread isn't as stupid as the one(s) started by that one other moron who believed Guts and Griffith were in love.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
So, are you saying that the relationship between Guts and Griffith is NOT deeper than just two old war buddies and that Griffith DOESN'T love Guts?
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Yeah, because that follows logically from what I actually said...
Guts and Griffith have one of the most complicated relationships in anime and manga. This means in absolutely no way that there is any attraction between them, let alone romantic feelings.
You're a homophobic moron who sees gay everywhere they look. You should do some introspection on a lakeside, skipping rocks, as you try and figure out these feelings of yours.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
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If you mean "homophobic" in terms of "fear of homosexuality" than, no, I do not suffer from homophobia. It's well known and scientifically accepted that homosexuality is a congenital disorder
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At my place of employment, we hold bible study everyday, inside the lab, before we begin our regime of research protocols.
You'd be surprised how often the answers to scientific inquiry can be found within the bible.
You're talking out of your ass. The source of homosexuality has yet to be pinpointed. Hormones affecting the developing fetus is the closest science has come at this point to finding a cause(to gloss it over a bit). If you believe anything more than that, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Had the source of homosexuality been determined already, people would already be working on how to prevent homosexuality--which, if happening now, is based on nothing more than theories, and not facts.
Out of your second paragraph, the only thing I believe in it is the bible reading.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
Not to start another point of contention, but in fact, the source of homosexuality has been pinpointed. Two sources in fact, one is genetic and one is environmental. Of course, even the environmental cause has some roots in the genetics, as it is impossible to have a true homosexual without some genetic basis, much as it is impossible to have cystic fibrosis without the initial genetics.
First, there are the purely genetic causes, in which during the copying of DNA, a certain segment of gene is copied incorrectly (a mutation is how it is described) and this causes homosexuality. To the degree in which that particular segment is copied incorrectly is to the degree in which the individual will be homosexual, much as some people get greater or lesser degrees of cancer.
Secondly, the environmental causes come into play when the genetics are already at work. One of the single greatest motivating factors into turning a partially homosexual person into a full blown homosexual is if the mother allows him to breast feed as an infant. In some infants, they would be just find, however if there is even the slightest genetic predisposition to become gay, this action will solidify it. (The association is so obvious as to not need pointing out, but just for clarity, I will and I will be as delicate as possible. By associating nursing, or sucking if you will, with closeness and pleasure, the child will eventually return to that action throughout his adult life, and live the life of a homosexual and a pariah.)
Well, that's the science in a nutshell. I know you have some questions about this and being an expert, I'd be happy to help out or answer your questions whenever I can.
As wrong as I know you were while reading this, I was willing to just leave it alone until:
One of the single greatest motivating factors into turning a partially homosexual person into a full blown homosexual is if the mother allows him to breast feed as an infant. In some infants, they would be just find, however if there is even the slightest genetic predisposition to become gay, this action will solidify it. (The association is so obvious as to not need pointing out, but just for clarity, I will and I will be as delicate as possible. By associating nursing, or sucking if you will, with closeness and pleasure, the child will eventually return to that action throughout his adult life, and live the life of a homosexual and a pariah.)
I know you have some questions about this and being an expert, I'd be happy to help out or answer your questions whenever I can.
Except that is completely inaccurate since there are incestual homosexual tribes that exist around the world. How do you explain every person in the tribe committing homosexual and incestual acts through genetics? Even people who were assimilated into the tribe at a young age? Um, a mutation in the genes is also inaccurate. It has already been argued the gene is too common to have come from deleterious mutation. I'm positive you could take anyone who didn't have this genetic "mutation", raise them on an island of homosexuals with no women and they too would become homosexual. You really have no idea what you're talking about, at all. Also associating homosexuality with being a pariah is kind of hilarious and reveals your agenda as a bigot. You're not an expert in anything relating to psychology, neurology, or genetics, you delusional person.
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I'm assuming you're considerably younger than I am and that being the case, a great deal has changed since *I* went to high school. No offense was meant in the post, so please don't take it as such. I'm simply saying that if in your world, two guys can have a naked water fight and NOT be called gay, that's cool. It's just in MY world, the one *I* grew up in, it would be totally gay.
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Well, goes to show you that schools used to be even worse, and that older people are dumber than young people. A revolutionary discovery.
Your "world" is one of stupidity, fear, and ignorance. For someone who claims they're much older than someone they can't possibly tell the age of, you're awfully immature and ignorant.
Also, they didn't have a naked water fight. Griffith was the only one naked. He was bathing, go figure. If you were as "adult" as you claim, you wouldn't linger so much on a bit of simple nudity-- this is something a kid would do. I don't believe you're any older than 19 (and that's a generous limit).
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
Well, goes to show you that schools used to be even worse, and that older people are dumber than young people. A revolutionary discovery.
Your "world" is one of stupidity, fear, and ignorance. For someone who claims they're much older than someone they can't possibly tell the age of, you're awfully immature and ignorant.
Also, they didn't have a naked water fight. Griffith was the only one naked. He was bathing, go figure.
If you were as "adult" as you claim, you wouldn't linger so much on a bit of simple nudity-- this is something a kid would do. I don't believe you're any older than 19 (and that's a generous limit).
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Okay, so here, you're saying that "young people" are smarter than "older people". You go so far in fact as to label it a "revolutionary discovery". At this point, I don't agree with you, but I'm still with you.
Here, you make a piercing analysis of my world and call into question my age. When I make an assumption about a persons age, I am being "immature and ignorant". Apparently, when you do it, it's a noble and worthwhile endeavor aspiring to a higher plane of morality. I'm not going to belabor the point, but I must confess, I find hypocrisy in all of its manifestations amusing as hell.
I apologize. For clarity's sake, I should have said, "While Griffith was naked and attempting to seduce Guts into a similar state of undress for the purpose of frolicking with him in the nude, Griffith repeatedly doused Guts with water, laughing and cavorting the whole time. All of this was done in a very macho way, so as not to make it appear as though they were doing something exceedingly faggy." Is that more accurate?
This is like a line out of a movie from the 90's. "Why do you talk so faggy, Bob?" - You have no idea what you're talking about and you've failed to interpret any of the science behind homosexuality. Keep trying though, I like watching buffoons commit blunder after blunder.
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It's just in MY world, the one *I* grew up in, it would be totally gay.
<quote> I really doubt you are considerably older then me, cause you don't even seem to know the meaning of homosexuality. there was nothing romantic or sexual about the waterfight therefore it wasn't a gay scene. </quote>
No, I know exactly what homosexuality is. It's when two or more people of the same sex have a water fight in the nude. If you're comfortable stripping down and having a water fight with your friends, then, well, you're a homosexual. It's really quite simple. If you strip down and have a water fight with somebody from the opposite sex, you're not a homosexual.
The greatest trick the Devil ever played was the one with deck of cards and...
No, I know exactly what homosexuality is. It's when two or more people of the same sex have a water fight in the nude. If you're comfortable stripping down and having a water fight with your friends, then, well, you're a homosexual.
No, I know exactly what homosexuality is. It's when two or more people of the same sex have a water fight in the nude. If you're comfortable stripping down and having a water fight with your friends, then, well, you're a homosexual. It's really quite simple. If you strip down and have a water fight with somebody from the opposite sex, you're not a homosexual.
Ummmm....not my fight, but since you haven't guessed the news, I'll fill you in. This guy is having a spot of fun with you and i don't see him leaving as you suggested....
shareThis guy is having a spot of fun with you and i don't see him leaving as you suggested....
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<shrug> Whatever dude. This will be my last post about the matter. If the other guys aren't smart enough to not let you wind them up, thats on them.
shareOh of course we know he's trying to troll us. But when you feed trolls adequately enough, you leave them looking like the idiots they are when you stop responding to them.
I think we've made him look like the ignorant homophobe he is, and that's enough. I'm with you though, and this is my last post regarding this.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
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You're an ignorant pig.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
Huh...it occurs to me now that I've ranted and tiraded several times in this thread, and never once addressed it's subject.
I really am a ninja master in the art of threadjacking.
Anyway, the relationship between Guts and Griffith as far as I'm concerned, is the relationship between a mercenary (Guts), and an eccentric mercenary (Griffith).
If it's the waterfight that's primarily getting you down, remember also the time this story takes place. Nudity wasn't nearly as taboo (Read: common) in ye olden times, so for one man to be shamelessly stark naked in front of another, isn't really that big a deal.
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You know, what you say makes a great deal of sense. To add to your point about the historical importance of the "naked" water fight, I have to remember that this IS a Japanese production and bathing is viewed differently there than it is here. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
The water fight doesn't "get me down". The power of this anime is such, that even if they had had an openly gay relationship, it wouldn't change my opinion in the slightest. (As I stated in the beginning of the thread, I wasn't upset by the alluded to possible romantic relation between Guts and Griffith, but merely found it curious.)
At any rate, feel free to high jack away on the threads. You're analysis seems to be spot on and I appreciate reading them.
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Thank you for your input! I apologize in my lag time in responding. I'm currently at a conference in Tulsa, Oklahoma and staying at a hotel. It's not a part of the conversation, but the conference is a preliminary creation of a movement within the religious and scientific communities to do away with the out dated and superfluous "Scientific Method" and rely more heavily upon prayer as a fundamental tool of examining and cataloging data and hypothesis. The acceptance has been overwhelming. Again, I realize this is off topic, but I'm rather excited about this and just wanted to share the good news!
Okay, on to your comment. First off, let me start by saying that my area of expertise is, oddly enough, sociological anomalies, referencing homosexuality specifically. Being an expert, I have some key points that relate directly to your argument. First off, I am NOT a fan of this anime. I watched it as a result of doing an in depth analysis of homosexual imagery within imported media. My research was actually a part of a paper I'm submitting, indirectly related to my doctorate work.
Secondly, I'm sure you realize WHY the practice of kissing the kings sword was abolished? Halfdan a Danish king and Christian of the Evangelical sect, realized that the kissing of the kings sword was an act of symbolic fellatio. Actually, I feel a bit silly relating this to you, considering you ARE Danish and I assume you know your own history better than I.
As far as bathing together, you'll note that the rate of environmental, genetic and what we professionals call, "Fence Sitting" homosexuality is 59 to 62 percent HIGHER in those countries that permit or otherwise encourage group bathing, Denmark being no exception to this statistic.
I'll touch on this briefly, as I'm not entirely sure what is taking place, but I don't know who KungFooVooDoo is other than he has commented on this thread previously.
And finally, regarding the hugging of my mom, no, I don't find it a matter of sexuality, but if I did, I don't see a problem with it, other than it being illegal. The Bible often sites instances of close relation incest, therefore if can be said to be both morally neutral and scientifically valid. More than anything, it's simply an issue of personal choice.
I realize you had some questions about this topic and might still have some more. Feel free to ask and I'll do my best to help out, or at least point you in the direction of where to begin your research!
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I can't even begin to express to you how excited I am that you're interested in this! So many people go through life, accepting what is told to them from the mainstream press as the truth. You, however, have risen above it. Congratulations on taking your first steps towards a higher wisdom.
Okay, as far as your question regarding additional reading material, I have that and I'll post the link. It is from the March edition of Science Quarterly, a peer reviewed publication focusing on breaking science news and while it wasn't written for the layman, it does contain the statistics you inquired about.
http://www.freefilehosting.net/sq0311_1
Let me know what else I can do to help! I'll be on and off the rest of the night. With it being Sunday, and being at this conference, I won't be able to check my mail as often as I'd like. After 7PM, central time, I won't be on for a bit as I am scheduled to give a talk entitled, "Modern Medicine, Anti-Biotics and Other Lies Against God". It will be taped. Let me know if you're interested in getting a copy!
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First off, let me start by saying thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to read the article! I realize all of this is new to you, but believe me when I say, your opinions are important! Now,some of your points were a bit nebulous, so I'm going to have ask for clarification before I can fully answer all of your questions, although I think I can respond to most of them, at least to some degree.
First off, regarding the Elliot Reductionist Method, are you calling into question the method itself? Or are you questioning its application in this particular scenario? While I am familiar with Dr. Brolov's work (as I'm sure you must be, being a bioinformationist) I can't attest to the manner in which he employed the ERM. There is a chance (although doubtful, knowing his level of education) that he used Moffard's Co-Efficient for the final analysis. I mention this only in passing, as you didn't state precisely what data you were having trouble understanding. As far as the Lindheim-Rector Method, well, I think that's all very cut and dry. Yes, I realize Dr. William Feck at one point made the accusation that the double influx would result in simultaneous termination of parallel values, but as I recall, he later said his error had been in trying to divide by zero early on. I guess it goes to show, anybody can make the silly mistakes, eh? If Dr. Feck can do it, so can you. Don't be so hard on yourself! :) I know it's off topic, but sitting here, reliving the day I heard this, well, let's just say we all had a good laugh. But I digress.
Okay, the other point (and you mentioned it once before, and I waited for clarification, but it's not forthcoming, so I'm afraid I must ask) is where you are anxious to discuss "mom-fvck!ng". While I do speak many languages, I'm afraid Danish isn't one of them. I am certainly interested in knowing how the exclamation point is pronounced in Danish. I am certified in Swahilli and in that language, the , (comma) is pronounced with a clearly defined "click" at the back of the throat and is used to conjugate a verb with an adjective. Again, I digress, but just a little factoid I thought you'd be interested in knowing.
Okay, I await your next reply so that I can try to help you better understand some of the things we've discussed! Have a great night!
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No need to thank me, brother! We are, after all, comrades in arms, on the same search and the same path.
First off, am I to assume you DID find the website to SSQ? You didn't really make that point clear. I think there might be a problem in the translation here. I noticed in some of your other posts, your English was a bit off ("That's how fail you are". In English, 'fail' is actually a verb, not an adjective) but I had, at that point, assumed it was simply a typo. Perhaps it was just a fundamental grasp of the language. Nothing to be ashamed of. English is difficult.
That being said, a quick review: You've requested the information from which I quoted figures. I posted the link and you concurred. You then requested the magazine itself from which the article came from. I posted the link to that, and you concurred. What else can I provide you with?
On to another matter I've been considering. I think perhaps its time we move our relationship to the next level. We've been posting back and forth now, and it's quite obvious that you have feelings for me. I suggest coffee, or tea if you prefer? Any thoughts on this?
And lastly, stop with the self demeaning. This *IS* a difficult subject and you have, if I say so myself, done extraordinarily well for a layman. You should be proud as opposed to downcast.
I anxiously await your reply and hope you're having a super day!
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This is all moving considerably faster than I had anticipated. They didn't have any of the chips you asked me to pick up, but they did have the sour cream and onion type. Is that okay?
Also, your dog is going to be fine. The vet said to just continue giving her her meds on schedule.
What's up with your Facebook status? Why did you quit soccer? Well, you can tell me all about it after your meeting with Dawglish.
I liked the book. Liked it very much.
Tell your sister I'm sorry. Really though, it was going nowhere.
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Dude, I was totally prepared to solider on with you, but the fact is, I have simply run out of material. At any point, did you think for one second, “Hey, wait a minute here....” or did you just plunge ahead? I mean, c'mon. Kissing the kings sword is a symbolic act of fellatio? There is a large movement that is going to replace the Scientific Method with prayer? How about the part where I go from being a hard core, far right conservative to putting the moves on you? (I thought for SURE that would give it away, but you were on it like a bum on a bologna sandwich). Or how about the article I created (Which in fact, took me not hours, but about eight minutes. I'm a graphic artist by trade. Most of the superfluous words in there were cut and pasted. That's why the kerning was all screwy. I read it for the first time myself this morning.)in which EVERY word I made up in there is directly related to 'rectum' in some way? I know you read my old posts. Could I possibly be a hard right religious nut, a dog fight trainer and a jet pilot from the Viet Nam era that was abducted by aliens? Or, did you ever stop to look at my screen name? Turnoff Rolling? It's an anagram for Trolling for Fun.
Yes, you can claim you always knew. Yes, you can say you were just re-Trolling me, but, I kind of think we both know better. (Well, I do, at least.)
In the end though, the fact is, you out crazied me. You read each piece of crap I threw at you. (By the way, was the SSQ magazine any good? I DID mean to read it, but never got around to it.) Each claim I made was more preposterous than the last, but despite that, you always had a MOOOOOAAAAARR or a BAHAHAHAHAHA! (which, in my head, always sounded like the Count from Sesame Street.) I could not make a claim of absurdity that you weren't prepared to call and raise me on.
That my friend, is a special kind of weird.
So, in closing, I'm hoping you'll have one more MOOOAAARR for me or BAHAHAHAHA for old times sake. If not, I totally understand. The situation is a bit touchy now, but I can hope, right?
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I've got to ask....when I said I was qualified in "Swahilli" and that the comma was pronounced as click and used to conjugate a verb with an adjective, did that even slow you down? Or did you just take that en passant?
Very clever including a broken link. I thought I was about to be Rick Roll'd, but no, you used the old stand by of "404 Dead Link". Very clever. Very clever indeed.
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How is it that you are able to respond to my posts in less than five minutes? Your parents are doing a horrible job of monitoring your surfing habits.
So, I was going to ask how you felt about the "Moffard's Co-efficient" but, I then realized that IMDB is fully aware of your gullibility, and there is no use in belaboring the point. Your failure is its own demonstration, and far more powerful than anything I could say.
As an observation though, I had always wondered why the atheist movement had so much trouble gaining any traction. Traditionally, it was held that the atheists were the hard science people and the Christians were the crazy wack jobs. Having dealt with you, I realize that the problem is, both groups are identical, separated only by ideology. THAT'S why the converts for both sides convert so heavily. You know, you always hear the stories, "I used to be a Catholic, then I found science, and since then, I've become enlightened!" and for everyone of those, you hear, "I used to be a scientist, but then I found God and I've become enlightened" when the fact is, BOTH sides are filled with people who feel intellectually or physically (in your case, I'd wager both) inadequate and have to find some vehicle in which to level the playing field. You think I'm just firing blanks? Think about this; who would resort to "bitch slapping" somebody through a message board? Not somebody who was comfortable in an arena where he had to defend himself either physically or mentally.
But, since I don't place myself in either the category of Christian or atheist, I am quite comfortable, in either arena, so, I present a challenge for you to buck up or slink away.
I will be on Yahoo chess from between 10 and 11 PM this evening as turnoffrolling. I have no rating as this is a brand new account. Perhaps you have something going on tonight. Perhaps you have an internet date with some dude you think is a girl. If so, I'll work around YOUR schedule, just shoot me a time. See ya then, champ.
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Well, I appreciate you having the cojones to admit you that you were out gunned. But, should you ever change your mind, you know where to find me sport.
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You're a homophobic moron who sees gay everywhere they look. You should do some introspection on a lakeside, skipping rocks, as you try and figure out these feelings of yours.