I just saw this very powerful movie and I was shocked. Western people are disgusted by Muslim extremists - but there 's so little difference with what happened not so long ago (any probably still does) in our *civilized* religions.
shareYou're an idiot. There is a HUGE difference between abuse by some bad apples done (probably) decades before you were born (since you sound like a child) and fanatical killers who do "honor killings" "beheadings" and "murder thousands of innocents" in the name of their religion. I can always slam the Catholic church for very real atrocities, say during the Spanish Inquisition, but that's historical outrage. You Should be disgusted by Muslim extremists since they are a real threat to you NOW.
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Thanks for your *subtle* answer, which is (as I'm an idiot) very hard for me to understand. Those nuns were extremists: driving people to death (for example Crispina's suicide attempt) which disgusts me. And there are still bad apples (I suppose even you must have heard about the popes opinion on gay people). And how many people were quite recently killed in Northern Ireland in the name of God? Have look around. By the way I'm only 49 years old, you moron.
shareWow. You're 49 and you have that simpleton view of the world? I feel very sorry for you and I won't pick on you any more.
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so he has the simplest view of the world & you considering priests raping children not that horrible ,don't?
neither those "Muslims"who kill innocents are Muslims(as it's considered the greatest sin even to hurt any innocent creature Of God) nor those priests & nuns who tortures people in the name of God are Christians,let alone the biggest "human rights defenders" who proudly & shamelessly attack any country by any excuse any other day & kill millions of innocent ppl. u can put any mark on yourself & call yourself anything but it's your actions that shows ur true self
Question:
Would you rather be 'humiliated' by a few bad apples in the Catholic Church,
or tortured & beheaded by muslim fundamentalists?
Quick, answer! I thought so.
Neither both parts are equally bad...
In everyday situations you can see Catholics act like extremists (not the bombing part), they do this with indigenous people. Not sharing religion, language, culture makes them the perfect target for all social problems (at least in my country), they put them in jail without remorse, shoot them and blame others, ban their religious beliefs from civilization (schools, public demonstrations), etc.
Just because they don't go to extremes as to bomb themselves, it doesn't mean they do not use religion in the day basis as an excuse to believe they have the only truth and anyone else is wrong.
They are not just some bad apples, it is the systematic way religion works. Most religions do this (buddhism seems not), you just have to hear a Christian (other than a Catholic) talk about things his/her religion won't accept, look for info on how hard is for a jewish-gentile couple to be accepted in the Jewish community, try talking openly with an greek orthodox priest about extra marital sex for an example, etc...
just my point of view...
BTW... Islam is a religion that promotes the understanding of other cultures and acceptance, that many take their holy book word by word it's human nature. The bible is also full of violence in the name of God...
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Islam promotes understanding of other 'cultures'? I notice you didn't say other 'religions', because they certainly (not all but at least 10% of the billlion Islamists, making that roughly 100 million?) do not accept Judaism in most Islamic countries, and are intolerant of 'the Infidel'.
They even seek murder & death of 'those who insult islam', whether it be in a debate or even a cartoon.
This is the last damn topic I want to be talking about on a movie forum, but you have got to be a Muslim 'convert', because you sure were trying very hard to normalize 'Islam' through your rose-colored view. I don't see it as 'peaceful' as you do, and Irish-Catholics will never worry me like bearded, intolerant Mullahs & "Imams" do, with their absolute hatred & intolerance towards Westerners of other relgions/beliefs.
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there are not such thing as "religions ",the same God that called to the prophet of Islam is the same that talked to Abraham ,Moses & Jesus ,it has been the one & only religion since the beginning it just perfected all through time .Muslims respect all prophets Of God .
neither those "Muslims"who kill innocents are Muslims(as it's considered the greatest sin even to hurt any innocent creature Of God) nor those priests & nuns who tortures people in the name of God are Christians,let alone the biggest "human rights defenders" who proudly & shamelessly attack any country by any excuse any other day & kill millions of innocent ppl. u can put any mark on yourself & call yourself anything but it's your actions that shows ur true self
Just for your information, cees-14: People in Northern Ireland do not kill each other "in the name of God". They kill each other because some want the six counties to join the Republic of Ireland while others want the six counties to remain part of the UK. Not that murder for political reasons is better than murder for religious reasons, though.
shareOr have a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_scandal
Weren't the last Magdalene schools shut down in '96. Besides imprisoning anyone simply because they fail to meet the standards of religous doctrine is a horrific crime and an atrocity. If you ask me these "schools" we're just as deserving of being leveled by a well place bunker buster as any Taliban target.
shareIt WAS horrible. It WAS despicable. But folks. Please think before you advocate tactical nukes against a building or people like this or giving their wrongdoings MORAL EQUIVALENCE to 9/11. It doesn't equate. That's all.
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You are both. Islam and Christianity are the most tremendous plagues for humanity, and they both should be cancelled right now.
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WTF? Take your meds and go back to your rubber room please.
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9/11? again?
9/11 (that I doubt has been done by thowelheads unable to drive a car...)
is just 3000 dead people.
Each year catholic missionaries teach africans to NOT use condoms. This kills MILLION people. There are almost 30 million infected people in Africa and this just because those "good" catholic guys say DO NOT USE CONDOMS.
So, folk, think before talking about equivalences. 3000 <<< 30 millions
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It WAS horrible. It WAS despicable. But folks. Please think before you advocate tactical nukes against a building or people like this or giving their wrongdoings MORAL EQUIVALENCE to 9/11. It doesn't equate. That's all.
Sorry I'm gonna have to step in here. Are you suggesting that 911 is more of a moral outrage because the people killed in the incident were American and mostly white? Cos that's what you seem to be saying. How is that worse than 100s of women being tortured and abused for their entire lives? I'm sorry but between instant death and this I know exactly what I would choose. And another thing: The pope and his catholic army of naive believers are responsible for far more deaths of innocents than any Muslim organization. Ban on protected sex anyone? Wake up and grow up son and stop having a go at people who actually think outside the box.
You're hilarious. :) Thanks for the laugh. I try to tell children that people get wiser when they get older but I get emails like yours and I have to laugh. And you're forgetting the entire point of recent history versus harping on things that happened many centuries ago. Think outside the box? How about wrapping your head in tin foil and drinking the Kool Aid... and I reiterate. I'm NOT a Catholic, but comments like yours are just asinine. hahahahahahaha.
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Hmmm back up a second there. Did you just say things that happened many centuries ago? As in the pope telling catholics in poor, heavily religious (catholic) countries where it is known that aids is common, that they can't wear a condom or they'll go to hell? Because although you may have your head up your ass the rest of the world actually knows that this is still happening today, more so than ever. And the last magdalene asylum was closed in '96 so if that doesn't count as recent history then what does? Do you have any real basis for your arguments at all?? Or are you simply just saying the first thing that comes into your strangely warped mind?
shareHave more people been murdered in the name of Allah the compassionate the merciful or gentle Jesus meek and mild?
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"Some bad apples", well the catholic church seems to attract many bad apples, and throughout history. All the children sent abroad from the British Isles during WWII separated for life from their families, the Spanish Inquisitions, the molestation of children by priests and the subsequent cover-ups by the church heirarchy, ignoring the exterminations by the Nazis in WWII, sending thousands to die in the Crusades, and on and on...
Christ never taught any of this nonsense. Religion in and of itself is not evil, but the administration by men is corrupt.
Go ahead, make my day....
"Bad apples"?? This was SYSTEMIC. This theocratic society placed waaaaay too much power in the hands of these nuns and priests, believing that people who were "called" to the Church could only possibly have good intentions--forgetting that power corrupts. It wasn't just a few bad apples--it was an inevitable result of a lopsided power structure, especially one that privileged men over women. Muslim extremists are more obviously horrific--beheadings and stonings are obviously much, much worse than the Magdelene laundries--but what these girls and women were subjected was cruel. And its values were indeed just as bad, just as misogynistic as the insane beliefs of the Taliban and opther Islamic extremists.
shareEVERY muzzie is an extremist.
shareYou're an idiot.
There is a HUGE difference between abuse by some bad apples done (probably) decades before you were born
in the name of their religion
and fanatical killers who .... "murder thousands of innocents"
since they are a real threat to you NOW.
yup. hypocrisy and double standard everywhere.
I recommend the documentation Jesus Camp as well, equally shocking.
or maybe even worse as they turn children into idiots (aka "born again christians")
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Yes. And now we live in the 21st century. So what are the Sunni's and Shi*i*t*es excuse? Some folks seem to forget that medievel behavior is not acceptable in this day and age. Also the TALIBAN was a monstrous group dedicated to mass murder, mayhem and the inflicting of Sharia law on everyone. The Taliban destroyed two of the oldest Buddha statues in the world, just because 'it wasn't THEIR religion'. You 'could' compare the extreme sadism of the Inquisition as a black mark on Catholicism, but to compare the misdeeds of modern Catholicism to the Taliban is just absurd and stupid.
(edit) Hilarious that I had to type "Sh*i*i*e" like that even though they are a large faction of a major religion because IMDB's stupid profanity filters think that their name is a curse word...
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You're right, medieval behaviour is not acceptable in this day and age. Which is why the atrocities committed by the IRA are unforgivable.
And they have been active until very recently.
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Hahahaha. Nice try. But the IRA has all but dissolved. Ireland is a peaceful place and the actions of the IRA was the actions of a small group, NOT entire subsections of Christianity going against each other. Try again.
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I think the original poster had a fine point in that it is a tendency among people of a particular group, whether it be religious, political, or social in a broader sense, to want to deny that members of said group could possibly commit any sort of atrocity. It is much easier to pinpoint the faults of others (especially when those others are of a different culture) and pretend that 'one's own kind' can do no harm.
Ignorance and denial can be as bad, if not worse, as the crime itself.
It is important to distinguish that the ideals of religion are often good and pure, but the people are not. Just because a woman dons a habit and commits herself to serving her god does not mean she has a heart of gold nor does it prove she is incapable of numberless sins. The outfit does not change the soul, yet people seem to feel it does and are continually 'offended' or 'in shock' when members of the christian clergy are accused of crimes.
Muslim extremists, christian extremists--what does the religion or ethnicity matter if they're hurting other people? Undue degradation and torture are not better if they come from those who worship a christian god. It's all the same--people are hurt, people die, people are tortured and traumatized for life, all in the name of one particular faith or another. What I would ask any of these people is how can you worship any god if you're too busy trying to be one?
Whether the film is perceived as propogandist or too anti-catholic, the history of the Magdalene Asylums is a sinister one. Here is an interesting article for those who want to read it: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/08/sunday/main567365.shtml
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Nice post! :) In my threads I wasn't criticizing the film, it was very well made and haunted me to this day. I DID have a problem with some of the posters, pretty much OVERSIMPLIFYING the issue and making some genuinely bigoted remarks. To compare modern Catholicism with the terrorists of 9/11 is a genuinely offensive (and tacky) stretch of logic and reason. I say this NOT as a Catholic (I'm not) but in defense of my many compassionate and intelligent Catholic friends. :)
BTW, you wrote a very nice post that didn't seem like it was attacking any person or persons NOT portrayed in the film (i.e. the rest of us). Thanks for the link as well. :)
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Five years have passed. Is *beep* still an IMDb curse word?
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shareAgreed.
Religion has caused the death of millions of people, over so many years.
Think of the Salem Trials. The Puritans went along, caused mass hysteria and hanged 29 or so innocent people in the name of religion.
The Crusades. Catholics vs Muslims, again.
Isreal/Palestine
The Christians coming along and burning the Pagan churches in Rome and Greece
Nazi Germany
And the list goes on.
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People have always killed for religion and probably always will. It's stupid, it's foolish and often, they're plain hypocritical but a mob mentality arouses fear and a strength of mind not otherwise seen. People preach one thing but act in a completely different way. People have a hard time hearing, too, that something in their religion may be wrong. A good person can see the faults in what they believe and accept that there's people there who are abusing power. And this happens in every religion, so I don't think there's much need to point finger at one or the other. It's unfair to say that one religion is worse than the other.
I am 18 years old.
What of it?
As far as I'm concerned, what it all comes down to is that certain people, of many religions, who called themselves "God's children", and who were trusted and respected in their communities, were allowed to carry out these disgusting acts of cruelty on young people for many years, and its sickening that a lot of them were never brought to justice for their evil crimes.
shareOP has a point... one religion doesn't have exclusive hold on extremism./.
share"People have always killed for religion and probably always will"
"this happens in every religion, so I don't think there's much need to point finger at one or the other. It's unfair to say that one religion is worse than the other".
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I think what people need to refrain from is putting the years of atrocities committed by the Catholics on a backseat, disputing that it was in the past. Whether this religious carnage and hysteria was in the past, at the time it was a bloodshed claiming the lives of many. In the name of GOD far greater atrocities were committed than most want to assume. The inquisitions saw to millions of lives lost and torture was a common practice.
In a hundred years when Islamic hysteria (hopefully) blows over their atrocities will still remain engraved in deplorable acts of religious history, much like the carnage committed by Catholics. I don’t think we should assume that one religion is worse than the other because of past or present offenses. They’ve each offered their own share of unspeakable acts and should if so equally be condemned.
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For those interested, the book "The Handmaid's Tale" presents a dystopian future in which America is ruled by a Taliban-like government.
I can always slam the Catholic church for very real atrocities, say during the Spanish Inquisition, but that's historical outrage. You Should be disgusted by Muslim extremists since they are a real threat to you NOW.And did the Catholic Church change its ways voluntarily? No, it was forced to take a backseat when the French Revolution became ferociously anti-religion. It's only because of secularism that the Catholic church stopped being a 'Catholic Taliban'. share
Please Google and read former President Jimmy Carter's explanation of why he strongly felt he had to leave the membership of the Southern Baptist Convention recently. He compared the way they and many other "Western" religions are to the Taliban. He said he could no longer continue his work to bring equality to all human beings with his work through The Carter Center while still a member as it made him a huge hypocrite. Brilliant statement. But not enough to make my parents leave with him.?
I have found irony in the name of these laundry homes and how the church ruined a woman's name and reputation, kept her words and gospel from the Bible, denying she was a disciple and removing her almost completely just so they could keep women from being important figures in the church. But then look at Adam's 1st wife, she's mentioned 5x's, I believe, in Genesis but are we ever brought up to know about this woman who was created as Adams equal, not his helpmate? Goodness knows we couldn't let women go about as if they're equal and have something meaningful to say in the church. The Bible precludes them from even speaking up to ask a question! Saying instead, they should ask their husband when they get home and believe his answer. Since the church has yet to make amends by apologizing for this continued ruse I guess they prefer women stay as property, not as equals as originally intended. To me that says, if not caught how many of these misdeeds would be stopped by the church itself.
Self-identified Christians to this day continue to perpetrate acts of violence, but when they do it, Western Christians are quick to turn a blind eye and say "it's just a few bad apples," all while ignoring that there are millions of Muslims in the world and only a tiny percentage of them belong to extremist organizations.
A lot of ignorance and hypocrisy going on. I know many Christians who are wonderful people, but the way religion requires total conformity and blind faith is disturbing and sad. It's willing mental and emotional enslavement to a demanding deity that does not exist.
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