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This Friday on Odyssey 5 ep 01: Pilot


Aired: 6/21/2002

The crew members of the Odyssey 5 space shuttle witness the explosion of Earth.

Christopher Gorham Neil Taggart
Sebastian Roché Kurt Mendel
Leslie Silva Sarah Forbes
Peter Weller Chuck Taggart
Tamara Craig Thomas Angela Perry

Craig Eldridge Matt Walsh
Richard Blackburn Ed Scrivens
John Neville The Seeker
Matthew Finlason Male Grad Student


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Well here we go, Pilot show one. I always have trouble with the first show usually, especially a 90 minute one. You always have to learn new characters and the such. I am having this problem here as well. My attention span started to slip shortly after the earth blew up. You recon a car like that would really have been able to survive and float off into space? I like most of the cast so far and found the Sara story particularly heart wrenching about her son. I then tried to put myself in the place of Taggarts wife, If my wife sat me down today and told me she was from 5 years in the future, how would I receive this information? The one thing I don't understand is why she wouldn't least try to verify the story with her son. The first thing I would have done was yell, Neil, get your butt in here and hear what your father is saying. I find Kurt pretty annoying right now but have no doubt that's the way he is written for me to feel. The seeker is kind of interesting, I hope we will find more out about him and also the stuff that has taken down 50 worlds. I was not drawn to the suspense of the warehouse scene kinda guessed there would be something in there and got the feeling I had scene this all before. I was a little intrigued by the nanites at the end and that peaked me enough to want to check in next week so that is good.
All in all hard to judge not to great, not terrible and I did like the special effects they had a pretty good feel to them.
I will give this one a 5 since there is nothing to judge it against.


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So, you got the ball first rolling, Agent Stone. That was quick! Unfortunately I had to work this Friday evening, and work tomorrow too. I'm eager to give my contribution as well, but that will have to wait a little. I'm glad we're in activity again!

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Looks like it can be really good, or it can turn into a soap opera.

This one is more difficult for me to learn the names of the characters, as they aren't used as much in the show. You hear them once or twice throughout the pilot and are just expected to remember them, with the one exception of Neil, who has an easy ready-made mnemonic association anyhow: an astronaut with the same first name as the first man to have set foot on the moon. Makes me want to pick out a crewmate of his to call "Buzz."

Notable that the two who responded most selfishly at first were the two at opposite ends of the moral and philosophical spectrum: the churchlady reporter who just wanted to save her immediate family and not the earth with which they would surely die anyhow and the absolute nihilistic hedonist who tried to clean up with a football bet on his memory of how the game turned out, hoping to live it up for the time he had. Face it, saving the world might well destroy their own lives and families. The burden of involuntary heroes throughout the ages.

On the subject of the football bet, either this show was on a premium cable channel or I got a DVD boxed set that was uncensored in the ways that US TV is. Because in his little three person viewing party, I saw some pretty sights I thought you're not supposed to see on US television. I'm not complaining as I have "better" stuff than that on DVD's of a certain nature. Just saying.

One has to wonder about the legitimacy of their "mission," though, as they seem to be set on stopping artificial life, which it leads you to believe is also what The Seeker was, who sent them back.

Neil was rather impressive. From a party animal on sex, drugs and rock & roll at 17 to a promising astronaut at 22. Boy's come a long way in five years.

All in all, off to an interesting start. Give it a 7.

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I'm pretty sure this thing was on showtime but not positive. It had to be on something like that because all the fbombs as well as the most excellent boobage.


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Looks like it can be really good, or it can turn into a soap opera.

I have been thinking about this show for a couple of days now and I agree with this statement. I'm not sure where they are going with all this, I see no way these can be stand alone episodes, they are definitely going to have to build on one another. Just thinking about it I can only see it going the way of a Dark Shadows type thing. The next episode should be a pretty good indicator of how things are going to go the rest of the way.


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Summer vacations and Dark Shadows man those were the days. Episode 1 will be here before you know it.

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by charmedwon666 11 hours ago (Tue Jun 14 2011 07:45:25)

Looks like it can be really good, or it can turn into a soap opera.

I have been thinking about this show for a couple of days now and I agree with this statement. I'm not sure where they are going with all this, I see no way these can be stand alone episodes, they are definitely going to have to build on one another. Just thinking about it I can only see it going the way of a Dark Shadows type thing. {/quote]

What's the deal with Dark Shadows?

Just because all episodes tell a single story, that doesn't make a show a soap opera. Was Babylon 5 or Lost a soap opera?

If I know I'm going to watch all the episodes, I'd much rather watch a single story than standalones that never develop anything deep. But of course there's still the issue of how it all ends... That can be a problem.

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True enough, Dark Shadows was the only soap opera I was ever sucked into because at first I thought it was going to be good but after 4 weeks It was just....you know a soap opera.
I have no way of knowing if this will be a soap opera or not, just giving some thought to it. I often think things can only be one way and they are not, just something I like to do. I never watched Babylon 5 and YES Lost became a bit of a soap as it went along. Season 2 was awful and 3 was a little better. It recovered towards the end but did evolve into a bit of a soap.
As far as a single story or stand alone episodes, I prefer a little of both. The stand alone with some inside jokes or references to earlier episodes. If for some reason I miss episodes before i find a show it's nice to be able to enjoy it somewhat from where I enter rather than be completely lost because of no previous episode knowledge. I am a lot more likely to abandon that show never to return. If the show has mostly stand alone with only a few references to earlier shows then I can get caught up in it and possibly hang around for the run of the show.

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by - charmedwon666 on Tue Jun 14 2011 22:47:29
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True enough, Dark Shadows was the only soap opera I was ever sucked into because at first I thought it was going to be good but after 4 weeks It was just....you know a soap opera.


No, I'm afraid I don't. I have never seen Dark Shadows and honestly I don't have much experience with soap operas. But I think we have to establish a good definition for soap opera to begin with, because I'm not sure what you mean anymore.

I've always thought of a soap opera as a an endless overdramatic story with excessive emphasis on romantic, sentimental situations with exagerated character reactions. Plus good characters who are very, very pure and good, against evil characters who are unredeemably baaaaad! Something like that. So, I would understand if you called Melrose Place or even Grey's Anatomy something of soap operas, not Lost.

Anyway, I remember when Wonderfalls was exploting too much the Jaye/Eric/Heidi love triangle, and you guys were not happy about it, and said Wonderfalls was becoming a soap opera. I didn't really agree with that, but I understood whee that came from. Now I think any long mythology you don't like you call it a soap opera...

By the way, it's a pity you've never seen Babylon 5. It has a rich five-year mythology and is a serious work of science fiction. Certainly a reference in the genre.

As for long stories versus standalones, I usually don't like standalones very much and I guess we are viewers with different preferences, but I understand that a show with many standalones are the only kind of show an occasional viewer may watch. Once I had nothing to do, and tried to watch an episode of the Vampire Diaries, in spite of my total rejection to anything vampire. I didn't understand anything and the episode didn't close anything. So I never watched again.

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I've always thought of a soap opera as a an endless over dramatic story with excessive emphasis on romantic, sentimental situations with exaggerated character reactions.


You don't think Lost falls into this category? Interesting how different people view things differently. As far as the definition of soap opera, I believe you nailed it quite nicely. Funny you should mention you avoid all things vampire because Dark Shadows just happened to be a soap opera about a Vampire...lol.
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by - charmedwon666 on Wed Jun 15 2011 21:30:17
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You don't think Lost falls into this category?


Well, sometimes we call something endless and pointless as a "novela," the equivalent to your soap opera, so, come to think of it, I understand why people would call Lost a soap opera in a broader sense. After all the plot seemed to be going nowhere, and eventually it did get nowhere. But I wouldn't call it that as far as character development, dramatic tension, and pure imagination. Soap operas are trite and unimaginative.

As for melodramatic romance, I wouldn't call it either. At some point they tried to create a hype with the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle, but since Kate was such an inneffectual character, that didn't get very far. And besides there were other solid characters.

However, the jury is still out for the last season, when the writers were, well, Lost, and had to wrap things up somehow, and did lots of pairings, with sentimental music in the background. Not that its soapy elements didn't work completely; in fact some of the moments of the last season were still quite moving, I think. In fact the problems with the last season were because of what it didn't show, instead of what it did show.

Funny you should mention you avoid all things vampire because Dark Shadows just happened to be a soap opera about a Vampire...lol.


Funny you should say that... Yeah, that's ironic. Though I have to elaborate what I said. It's supposedly sexy teen vampires I abhor. The others I just ignore. Supernatural did an interesting spoof on the teen vampire craze once. Funny stuff.

One more thing about standalones vs. single stories: what did you think of 24? As you probably know, each season was an entire day in Jack Bauer's life, so you can't get more "un-stadalone" than that.

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The first 2 seasons of 24 were awesome, the first season being unlike anything I had seen on tv before. After that, it all became pretty much the same thing over and over, I'm not saying I didn't watch every season, just none ever got me the same way the first one did.
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That's more or less what I think, except that even in the last season, it was still one of my favorite shows.

The point I'm trying to bring up is that I like the way it told a story. There was the main story (Jack's day), the story arc (something was resolved within the day, like in the first season half), and a small amout was resolved within the hour. If someone started watching it in the middle of the story arc, I wonder whether it would make any sense to this viewer.

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I've always thought of a soap opera as a an endless overdramatic story with excessive emphasis on romantic, sentimental situations with exagerated character reactions. Plus good characters who are very, very pure and good, against evil characters who are unredeemably baaaaad! Something like that. So, I would understand if you called Melrose Place or even Grey's Anatomy something of soap operas,


That's sort of where I was coming from with my concern. The fact that it's a seriel story-line is just what it is. Don't miss an ep or you might be lost.

One-dimensional good- and bad-guys optional. The amount of time dwelling on Sarah's emo-drama was a bit off-putting to me and sparked such a concern. More along the lines of Defying Gravity or even Caprica to put the label on sci-fi series'.

Still too early to make such a call, though. Just a thought of how it may develop.

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OK, now that makes sense to me. As for missing an episode and being lost, yes this is a problem is many series today, but the way we watch a show in our little project, that's not a real problem, I mean, we watch all episodes, don't we? Besides, there are just 19.

About Sarah's drama, well there's a fine line between grown-up drama and melodrama, and we may not always agree where this line is drawn. Judging by some people's reaction to Wonderfalls, I felt they had little tolerance for drama, plain and simple, and again that's an issue of different viewers with different degrees of sensitivity.

If you thought Sarah's situation was too much of emo-drama, you might have reasons for concern. Her son will be dying of cancer and she finds herself married again to her ex-husband, a full dish of emotional issues. Not to mention Chuck and Mark's father/son issues, Neil's teen problems, and whatever may happen to Kurt and Angela in the emotional field. This model os story seems to be made to get the characters revisit their emotional situations, I suppose. I just hope you still enjoy the show anyway.

By the way, I haven't seen Defying Gravity, but I enjoyed Caprica very much and wish it hadn't been canceled.

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Actually, the serial bit isn't off-putting at all to me. That's what I meant by "It is what it is." The missed ep problem with serials is, as you pointed out, a non-issue with a series watched through on DVD or any other medium.

They also did a good job of showing an appropriate amount of Sarah's reaction. It's just that it came across to me as: "We have an actor here with a great knack for bawling her eyes out in a performance. Let's give her character plenty to cry about and watch her go."

Had me thinking, "Yeah, you got your kid back, lady. Now quit blubbering about it and let's try and save the World."

I really didn't see any real father-son drama play out between Chuck and Marc. Chuck would have liked for his first born to be an astronaut like him, but appeared quite supportive of whatever Marc wanted for himself. That looks like possibly another area where he has altered the past between the slightly too loud telling Paige that Marc didn't really want to be an astronaut and his sudden-found new closeness, looking like favoritism, to Neil maybe Marc has now been convinced to go into space after all. Accidentally pushing him into what he was now accepting as not gonna happen.

Where I draw the line at a soap in science fiction is where the drama leaves the sidelines and either overshadows the narrative or takes over it to make it about the drama. My soap comment was that the pilot showed the potential to turn in that direction is all.

Considering that Angela was dieing when she was jumped back into an EVA, it's probably a good thing that she was facing the Earth instead of the Sun. She might have started flying towards the bright light without even realizing she was operating the MMU.

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Well, well, here I am again, this time with a review. Of course I'm happy with the choice of show we made because that's right into my, say comfort zone, in terms of TV shows. I especially like shows that are playful and imaginative (like Pushing Daisies, Wonderfalls), highly dramatic involving crime (like Dexter, Breaking Bad), or the good old science fiction drama with an intelligent premise, which I believe Odyssey 5 to be the case. And like the crew of Odyssey, who will have to re-live their personal dramas from the last five years, I'll have a chance of revisiting this TV drama I enjoyed so much some five years ago. It'll be interesting to see how time and experience affect my impressions.

Again, the premise I think is fantastic. Seeing how the characters struggle through their old issues would be excellent for character development, while dealing with the artificial life storyline (and ultimately finding out what happened to Earth) will give them something new and hopefully exciting to do.

The major problem with the premise is that it suggests the need for a five-season show to develop it: one season per year they went back, culminating in the same mission in which they saw Earth destroyed as the series finale, and we obviously don't have that, just nineteen episodes instead. To minimize that, one of the characters mentions that by invading the warehouse, they made thge enemy aware that someone is on to them, so destruction of the Earth may happen in five years, or next week. I'm glad they left that possibility open, and nothing is really programmed anymore, as was shown by the little butterfly effect concerning Kurt's football bet.

The characters are diverse enough, so the viewer will probably find someone to identify with. We have Chuck, the tough, no-nonense leader; Neal, the cool whiz kid, Angela, the strong scientist woman; Sarah, the Christian mother with major family issues; and Kurt, the cynical, nihilistic, depraved genius. My personal favorite is definitely Kurt.

I'd also be eager to talk about the artificial life forms, but based solely on what we've seen on the pilot, there isn't much we know yet, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.

As for having seen the episode itself again, I felt that it now, unlike then, dragged a little in some parts for a ninety-minute presentation, but that perhaps has to do with the fact it was fresher in my memory than I expected. One thing that I missed, the first time I watched, and now again, is more details on Angela's reaction when she went back to the space shuttle five years in the past. I would love to see her WTF look and the million questions she would have at that very moment, but the moment she was safe in space, they cut the episode into another scene.

Still, even if the pilot lacked some action and this little detail mentioned above, I say it was an excellent piece of science fiction with a great premise, and lots and lots of potential. Based on that I give the first episode a 9 in the Odyssey scale.

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This Friday on Odyssey 5 epp 01: Pilot
These pilot episode are tough on me the first part was really great and exciting but once the initial action was over I started to fade away. For some reason I’m stuck on those Phillips screws on the windshield why I don’t know. The car thing was a little hard for me to grasp if our world was to explode I believe everything would just vaporize to nothing. You would have thought the shock wave would have destroyed anything in earth’s low orbit. What a ship the Alien had too bad they didn’t have time to check it out but they were off to save the earth. When the Alien mentioned wherever he goes worlds are destroyed well maybe he’s the problem. If it was me when I returned to the past I think I would have just thought it was some elaborate dream. There is now way I would have tried to explain it away to my wife like the he did this would only lead you on a trip to the funny farm. It did get exciting as time went by I was thinking pull them tubes and bust the tank open why dick around you know nothing good was brewing in there. The cussing part I’m afraid will grow old on me as time goes on. Didn’t see the point with cussing all the time. About the only thing I understand is when they tried to use their knowledge of the future it didn’t work out.
This one gets six on the O5 scale.

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I enjoyed the pilot but I worry that this could turn into a very typical SciFi "aliens are here" drama. But for now, the story is intriguing.
I thought that the special effects were well done. Especially the weightlessness. I'm not sure how they did the "flying through the shuttle" stuff. The spinning through space and losing the guy in the pod was a little over done. I was starting to lose interest. It dragged along in places.
The f-bombs and nudity are definitely a premium cable kind of thing.
I liked the way that they cut the "I'm going to use my knowledge of the future for my own selfish reasons" story line quickly by showing that the future is not going to be a repeat of what they experienced the first time around.
It will be interesting to figure out how Neal went from burnout to whizkid.
As for the aliens, I can't figure out how it is related to the artifical lifeform program. The program seemed to be involved with the satellite and triggering the destruction of the earth. But the warehouse scene shows us what seems to be a live alien lifeform.
The other mystery is the seeker. If the destruction is related to the program/artifical lifeform 'Leviathan' then how would it have spread throughout the universe? Maybe it didn't really originate with the program?
The other thing that I pondered was whether the problem with the satellite was 'planned' but I can't figure out if it mattered that they managed to catch it.
I'll give this one a 7 because it held my interest for most part and the characters were/are interesting.

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