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This Friday on Odyssey 5 ep 15: Vanishing Point


Aired: 10/1/2004

Taggart wakes up in a hospital.


Christopher Gorham Neil Taggart
Leslie Silva Sarah Forbes
Peter Weller Chuck Taggart
Tamara Craig Thomas Angela Perry
Sebastian Roché Kurt Mendel


Angela Gei Mrs. Nicholson
Tony Holme Groundskeeper
Larisa Gomes Candy
Kyle Schmid Zack Ambrose
Stewart Arnott Dr. John Bertran
Jef Mallory Guest Speaker
Nick John Transhumanist #1
Charles Seminerio Transhumanist #2
Robert Racki Synth #1
Chris Bondy Dr. Peter Egan
Michéle Duquet Claire Ambrose
Neville Edwards Police Chief
Lesley Dowey Eliza Murphy
Jean Yoon Dr. Lynn Chen
Scott Yaphe Synth #2



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Looks like Chuck's back in.

Another sentient creepiness going on, and resolution this time around.

How long before another sentient starts downloading people into hard drives leaving their bodies dead, though? And can the downloaded be put into synthetics and live "normal" lives afterward?

I'll give this one a 6.

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Ok, I'm getting really confused now. Are the sentients and synthetics the same thing? Do the sentients not have any idea about the world blowing up? It appears they have no idea, they are just bee bopping around on the inet fat dumb and happy. Is it the Humans that are going to blow up the earth with their bright sky project? I'm lost. MadP you need to bail me out here, I have obviously missed something.
As far as the episode is concerned I thought it was pretty good. I believe the writers could have made it more interesting if they hadn't let us know the chuck story was clearly fishy. It would have been interesting if none of us had known if chuck was in a coma or not.
I feel bad for Kurt, he is not dealing well with the collateral damage his little experiment caused. He has way more feeling than he cares to let on about. It's nice he trying to make amends but it will probably be to no avail.
So much for Sarah being noble, that lasted about 5 minutes...guess girl got to have it.
Over all I liked the episode pretty good but the sentients thought chuck was just delusional. So they clearly have no idea about anything or they are just complete individuals living in the net.
All in all I give this one a 6 on the 05 scale.

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by - charmedwon666 on Sun Sep 18 2011 15:03:45
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Ok, I'm getting really confused now. Are the sentients and synthetics the same thing? Do the sentients not have any idea about the world blowing up? It appears they have no idea, they are just bee bopping around on the inet fat dumb and happy. Is it the Humans that are going to blow up the earth with their bright sky project? I'm lost. MadP you need to bail me out here, I have obviously missed something.


Wow, what a responsibility! Let me see the small contribution I can humbly make.

* Are the sentients and synthetics the same thing?

No. The sentients live in cyberspace, and the synthetics are made to live among us, except for that sentient who tried to escape virtuality by using that little town during that heat wave it caused. Synthetics have their own personality by the way, except for Happy who was a sentient in a synthetic's body and I assume he could take the place of a synthetic's "soul" so to speak because the syntheic wasn't finished, so making him clumsy and funny. Anyway, synthetics seem to be working for sentients, but seem to have a mind of their own, so there could be some synthetics that don't work for sentients. And I have the impression it is sentients that make synthetics, though Kurt is not a sentient and he made one too.

* Do the sentients not have any idea about the world blowing up?

Looks like they have no clue. Kitten wanted to know what Odyssey 5 was. Phaedra wanted to blow up the world for unrelated reasons. This memory-collecting sentient certainly had no idea. So, no. But as we've seen, sentients don't work together as a team and don't have a central command, so there could be other sentients who are responsible for what we see in the pilot, though I doubt it.

* It appears they have no idea, they are just bee bopping around on the inet fat dumb and happy.

Exactly.

* Is it the Humans that are going to blow up the earth with their bright sky project?

Well I happen to remember a thing or two about project Bright Sky from the time I saw the show in 2004, so I can't comment on that, evidently. You'll have to wait and see (whatever little remains to be seen...) And my memories are as foggy as Chuck's mind was in this one anyway.



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Very good mad. You must feel like you have just completed an essay between wlcebtg and myself. I have started thinking that the ultimate answer was going to be that humanity blows it's self up but that doesn't answer all the other worlds that went up before earth so I keep balancing my thinking with that. Surely there must be more I keep saying.
Thanks for the Tech support, I knew you would have a path forward.

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I feel I've graduated in Odyssey 5 mythology or something. Interesting points you raise, about the 50 worlds and all, but they'd better be addressed after we've seen "Fossil." But solely based on what we've seen so far, we can start wondering who blows up the world. It can't be just humans, and sentients seem oblivious... So who is it?

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What the hell’s going on can’t figure this week’s episode out. Was the new entity working with the synthetics a piece of code or a living creature? Were they working in conjunction or just because Chuck’s Son was looking into the deaths is why they picked Chuck up for download? How did the synthetics hook up with this creature that harvested memories. All I wanted to do was scream TECH Support to wake Chuck from this artificial dream. Kurt character seems to be changing before our very eyes he has regrets for what his monstrous offspring has done. Enjoyed this week’s show but I’m lost can’t figure this one out. Five on the O5 scale.

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by - wlcebtg on Sun Sep 18 2011 17:36:29
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What the hell’s going on can’t figure this week’s episode out. Was the new entity working with the synthetics a piece of code or a living creature?


It seemed to me it was a good ol' sentient, plain and simple. I agree sentients are intelligent beings that can be considered creatures, though formed of strings of code.

Were they working in conjunction or just because Chuck’s Son was looking into the deaths is why they picked Chuck up for download?


This sentient attacked Chuck probably because it thought Chuck was worthy of having his pattern digitally coded. Chuck got under the sentient's radar because Neil was doing that internet reasearch but Chuck's name was the one that appeared. (I think the Internet plan was in Chuck's name or something.)

How did the synthetics hook up with this creature that harvested memories.


In that episode in which Chuck begins to turn into a sentient they show how synthetics do that. They put their hand into that thing on the wall that looks like a pool of water. Should be like that or in any similar fashion.

All I wanted to do was scream TECH Support to wake Chuck from this artificial dream.


LOL!!! Good one. So Vanilla Sky... Or maybe all Chuck needed to do is take the red pill - or is it the blue pill? Anyway, they did it in the Matrix. Oh, and in Totall Recall, when that fat Recall guy wants Quaid to take a pill that would be a symbol of his desire to wake up, or something.

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I liked this episode because it didn't follow a predictable path with one single story line and had many things going on at the same time, though it was a little convoluted. So to go with the episode's mood, I'll make scattered comments as well.

* I, too, initially thought, they should have started with Chuck waking up in the fake hospital and living his fake reality, but just because we're used to that way of telling that same old story. Guys, this has been done this way several times before.

* Wasn't Sarah going to let go for whatever reasons? Anyway, she listened to her friend and decided the obvious, and slept with her future husband. Wasted screen time here.

* Chuck and Neil don't behave like father and son. I see more respect and father issues between Chuck and his old man, or between Marc and Chuck. Chuck and Neil, on the other hand, sound more like two buddies. And come on, 22 is not that grown and mature. The kid's a genius, but he still has got things in life to learn.

* All the time they were talking about sentients, and then went on shooting synthetics, that professor guy was present and didn't seem to have a single question about any of that? How weird was that? And I was under the impression the shole synths/sentients business was a big secret (at least the O5 team behaves that way), though in fact they should prove to the world they exist and get more people to face their threat, if they are a threat after all... Well, I'm lost here.

* OK, so Neil hit third base with Holly. Better yet, it was a home run, or in our language here scored a goal and wanted to score a couple more if I got that right. But Holly is the next recipent for the Sarah Forbes Wasted Screen Time award, if you catch my drift.

* Is Marc so unimportant he isn't in Chuck's dreams or nightmares? Or maybe, just maybe, they fired the actor who played Marc and now they have to make do with the cast that remains.

* They are still lingering with that Kurt's regret/kid in a coma/fake substitute teacher/MILF storyline. Are they going anywhere with that? Is that going to generate any practical consequences? Otherwise they should show he's still sorry, but avoid those unecessary visits to the hospital. For instance, Kurt visited that dock worker's wife, gave her some cash (so showing his regret) and we'll never have to hear of her again.

There might be other things to add, but I forget. The beauty of making such a list is that I can come back any time and add more items.

All in all, I give this episode a 5 or an 8 in the Odyssey 5 scale. Why commit to anything? The writers didn't...

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Some of the attitudes really bothered me.
I wanted to slap Kurt for his behavior in the diner. What a jerk.
And Chucks reading of the riot act to Neil. Was he really that depressed and then had a 'death bed conversion' after the brain extraction attempt?
I agree with madp that the Sarah and Holly stuff is just an unecessary time filler.
I guess that the transhumanist doctor thought that he had destroyed his notes but they still existed somewhere in cyberspace so the sentients got a hold of them. Bummer for a lot of people.
So what were the 'machine' marks that were on the brain extracted victims? Why wasn't the same thing used on Chuck?

Thanks to madp for his post on sentients vs. sythetics. It cleared up some questions that were lingering.

I'll give this one a 6.

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You're welcome. I'm glad I could be of some assistance.

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Thanks for updating us MadP I just can’t keep track everything that goes on in these episodes. I feel like I should take notes and review them before watching the next episode. By the way it finally rained in Texas thought the whole State would burn up before any rain came.

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You're welcome. As for the weather, I wish here in Rio Grande do Sul it would stop raining... When we have a couple days of good weather and start getting used to it, it gets cold and rainy. Can't stand it.

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