A butterfly caused this


Ok.. Let me do a logic test and see if I have this...

One of the clients stepped on a butterfly, brought it back, and deprived an entire genetic line initiating this entire storyline.

As someone said later in the movie.. "It was a butterfly that laid eggs"...

This same butterfly that would have been either incinerated or covered in volcanic ash 5 minutes later.. Am I wrong, did I miss-view that scene later...?

I guess it's eggs were immortalized in the ash, and somehow hatched years later, after the ash/earth turned over exposing the original forest floor.


Not a bad movie, I tend to enjoy fiction based on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle... It is one of the core technology concepts in Star Trek, and other Sci-Fi shows... But jeeze.. This kind of plot hole could have been noticed by a 1st year basketweaving drop out... And these guys are supposed to be educated filmmakers????

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The Butterfly could just fly away before the eruption.

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I think people missing the point. It could have been anything. They weren't supposed to bring anything back from the past because it could possibly change the future. In this case the guy stepped on a butterfly. It could just as easily been a plant. Here's a section from the orginal short story by Ray Bradbury using a mouse instead of a butterfly in the explanation.

All right,” Travis continued, “say we accidentally kill one mouse here. That means all the future families of this one particular mouse are destroyed, right?”

“Right.”

“And all the families of the families of the families of that one mouse! With a stamp of your foot, you annihilate first one, then a dozen, then a thousand, a million, a billion possible mice!”

“So they’re dead,” said Eckels. “So what?”

“So what?” Travis snorted quietly. “Well, what about the foxes that’ll need those mice to survive? For want of ten mice, a fox dies. For want of ten foxes a lion starves. For want of a lion, all manner of insects, vultures, infinite billions of life forms are thrown into chaos and destruction. Eventually it all boils down to this: fifty-nine million years later, a caveman, one of a dozen on the entire world, goes hunting wild boar or saber-toothed tiger for food. But you, friend, have stepped on all the tigers in that region. By stepping on one single mouse. So the caveman starves. And the caveman, please note, is not just any expendable man, no! He is an entire future nation. From his loins would have sprung ten sons. From their loins one hundred sons, and thus onward to a civilization. Destroy this one man, and you destroy a race, a people, an entire history of life. It is comparable to slaying some of Adam’s grandchildren. The stomp of your foot, on one mouse, could start an earthquake, the effects of which could shake our earth and destinies down through Time, to their very foundations. With the death of that one caveman, a billion others yet unborn are throttled in the womb. Perhaps Rome never rises on its seven hills. Perhaps Europe is forever a dark forest, and only Asia waxes healthy and teeming. Step on a mouse and you crush the Pyramids. Step on a mouse and you leave your print, like a Grand Canyon, across Eternity. Queen Elizabeth might never be born, Washington might not cross the Delaware, there might never be a United States at all. So be careful. Stay on the Path. Never step off!”




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This is all very interesting, but you haven't addressed the plot hole.
The butterfly was destined to die in the Volcanic eruption.

Not for nothing, if the time machine makers knew this could happen you would think they would skip the whole time travel thing.

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Well, so much ado about a butterfly or a mouse. What about the dinosaur? They could not kill an insect and yet they were authorized to kill a dinosaur! Wouldn't it be an immensely greater catastrophe??

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@Voltape

The Dinosaur was destined (in the plot) to die at that particular spot and time. In the tar pit.. That is why they were using a bullet that would disintegrate, and were prevented (by an electronic lock) from firing their weapons until a specific point in time..



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There was no eruption in the original story, which ends with no way to undo the changes caused by killing the butterfly.

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The butterfly was destined to die in the Volcanic eruption.


I am curious as to where you plucked that FACT from as if I recall correctly it doesnt say that in the movie...you seem to be making an assumption

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although I enjoy the premis of this fictional idea greatly, I also acknowledge the anti-idea of this idea: the fact the the rest of the world just fills in for the loss and no one notices a thing. the progression is a cool idea and all but has that scope of destruction ever been proven with computer models or anything?

it similar to that age old secks theory: when you sleep with someone, you are physically touching every person that other person has been with etc etc etc. but in reality, one good cleaning derails that whole idea and makes it: chances are you are NOT touching anyone else - simply by cleaning enough.

While it makes great fiction - and is creative enough an idea to be entertaining - I don't think it is strong enough to worry about whether the butterfly some how survived or laid eggs or changed ALL of the future's histories. It's just flawed fiction. Probably ALL fiction is flawed BECAUSE it IS fiction, and it's just a fun premiss.... just like Batman

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Also in this short story, one of the Safari company members travels back in time before the hunting party and shoots the dinosaur with a red paintball.

The dinosaur could react to being hit therefore changing the future.
The paint could make the dinosaur a visible target for other creatures, again changing the future.
There are numerous possible outcomes this one act could cause.

They've altered the past and future by leaving something behind.

Even the original short story has a plot hole.

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From the excerpt of the short story, I can understand the gist about not making any disruption to the prehistoric milieu so that the timeline of biological organisms living at that time is not affected. Since the movie involved the time waves altering the evolution of life on earth, I thought a more direct plot device would involve affecting a mammal like reptile that would become a precursor to the warm blooded animals that would develop later. Killing this hybrid animal would directly disrupt the evolutionary path between reptile and mammal. I think they should have been transported within some kind of impenetrable shield, so the people would not come into direct contact with anything from the past. But, then that would make the story more boring.

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the butterfly was about to fly up into air where a fast flying dinosaur spotted it , it then flew down to eat the butterfly, caught in in mid air and continued its super flight to a spot 20 miles north , where because the butterfly gave it an upset stomach , it landed as it felt unwell... only seconds later to be caught by another dinosaur who was just about to die of starvation...yet lived because of eating the fast flying animal.

So when the butterfly DIDN'T fly into the air..it wasn't spotted by the fast flying dinosaur ,and then IT wasn't eaten by the other dinosaur..which then died of starvation = at least 2 other animals history was changed and so the Ripple effect continues.

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Just in case you're not kidding...

They were close enough to the massive pyroclastic flow to ensure any organism they interacted with (including airborn microbes - probably the most important ones btw) would be incinerated. If there did exist a flying dinosaur fast enough to outrun something like that, it would have to be much too big to even bother with something as small as a butterfly.

It's a real shame the butterfly from the original was left in, because the volcano was a stroke of genius. I wish they would have found a different way to alter evolution that was more believable. My guess is the reason they didn't, is that they wanted to have the characters searching around a dangerous city and eventually find evidence of what happened.

There was no volcano in the original, and it's odd that the dinosaur was stepping into a tar pit. I think somebody convinced someone to add the volcano near the end of production after they explained how scientifically sound it would be. But they were too lazy and/or unintelligent to alter the other important events along with it.

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Or they simply didn't had the time (or the budget) to make the pertaining changes.

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The removal of the mass of the moth on the guys boot from the timeline is what caused the catastrophe.

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