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If Grace is so religious..


why is she participating in pre-marital sex?

I mean, I'm not religious and I think the scene was hilarious but seriously... seems out of character for a girl who carries prayer beads around.

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Just because a person is in touch with their spirtuality does not necessarily make them traditionally religious; many people feel close to god and feel they have a relationship with Him without going to church and generally following any specific relgion - they're called non-traditionalists!

On the other hand, the movie never gives any implication of what religion Grace follows, if she follows any. She may have not even been a Christian at all, and not all religions frown upon fornication.

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It wasnt really stated if Grace was religious, I didnt even ponder if she was religious or not!

But like you stated, there are many non-tradionalists out there, and Grace couldve been one of them!

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So are the people who tend to condemn them...

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you sound really ignorant. everyone of any (or lack of) religion is a hypocrite, and that makes you one for faulting Christians for it. maybe she's just spiritual and not religious...

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I think the basic assumption with the prayer beads is either Catholicism or the Christian tradition in general. "Yahweh" is specifically mentioned, an illusion to parting the Red Sea, walking on water, etc. The Judeo-Christian God/belief system is in view (and, consider what the target, mainstream audience would be most familiar with).

I thought a similar thing about Grace: you pray so much for Bruce yet you're not married for all these years?! To me this just shows the disconnect of the movie.

Somewhere here is a better movie that could've been. It's sandwiched between a film overtly aimed at devout Christians and the one in its current form.

Okay, I keep seeing "God" portrayed in these kind of films (religious/spiritual with humor) . . . Anyone in Hollywood brave enough to actually mention or address "Jesus Christ" (with whom your audience would just as likely be familiar with)? No, I didn't think so.

There are hypocrites within the Church -- and outside the Church. They are everywhere unfortunately.

The worst kind of hypocrite is one who is offered free grace yet criticizes those who've accepted it.

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Lmao thats exactly what i think too. She prays so much for some loser that wont marry her. He's not the greatest guy. Definitely a bit of a loser

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I thought a similar thing about Grace: you pray so much for Bruce yet you're not married for all these years?! To me this just shows the disconnect of the movie.

It's a disconnect, but a fairly common one among religious folks. People who pray often and lecture others about their lack of religion can and do come up with 101 ways to rationalize how them not following some major point of their religion is perfectly OK.

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Christians aren't perfect. I ain't perfect. Don't forget some Christians choose what they wanna believe in the bible. Besides, I didn't recall the bible saying anything about beads, its more of a Catholic thing. Still, its just a movie I guess.

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Don't forget some Christians choose what they wanna believe in the bible.


And that's a problem. I don't believe anywhere in the Bible it says you're free to pick and choose which passages you can or cannot like, or ones you choose to believe or not believe. How people can still call themselves Christian when they don't believe/practice half or more of "The Good Book" is beyond me. Like it's been said everywhere on this board, it's hypocrisy, plain and simple. If you only adhere to small portions of it, there's no reason to call yourself Christian or Catholic or any other religion. What it makes you is someone who is in touch with their spirituality and follow some Christian values. But denouncing parts of whatever religious tomes doesn't make you a true follower. You can be in touch with God without having to belong to a church.

Even as an agnostic I think 'Christian' values like love thy neighbor, renunciation of violence, forgiveness, fidelity in relationships (unless it's a mutually agreed 'open' relationship) are ones everyone should adhere to. By no means does someone have to be religious or believe in God to live by those values. As far as I'm concerned those are the only things needed to make this world a better place (music + cannabis too), but religion and the books in The Bible weren't the first to suggest those values.

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Worst Example: Bill Maher. Ugh, such a turn-off.

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HOLY CRAP! Lighten up! It's a freakin' comedy, you idiot!!

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Rosery(prayer beads) are only used in catholism and angelican churches. all other christian denominations view prayer beads as un-scriptural because they are. the catholic churches traditions are in fact all un-scriptural

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The only time a Christian is a hypocrite is when they don't admit that they're not perfect.

I'm a Christian, I believe in God, I do my best to be faithful, but I screw up. I'm not perfect and never will be. So every time I screw up, I'm a hypocrite? That doesn't even make sense.

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The "only" time? What about the other times when they are being hypocrites (as most humans tend to be)?

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I'm talking about when people accuse Christians as being hypocrites in the realm of Christianity. Aka. say one thing based on their beliefs and then do another.

Sure, other than that, people are people. Everyone is a hypocrite now and then.

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I agree with this somewhat but also realize that willful sinning, the willing disobedience to an expressed commandment, is a problem. That is to say that knowing you're not perfect isn't an "all access laminate" to go on doing what you know to be wrong.

Other than that, I'm with you.

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She's doing it to keep a less than perfect guy happy and to prevent him from leaving her. I guess she could act all righteous and dump him for someone more religious(if she is lucky enough to find a guy like that and its a good thing they dont have any kids). Also if we're following all the rules then she shouldnt be living with him either. You dont know why they're living together. Usually for financial reasons. You cant blindly follow religious rules. It makes you a fanatic. What God really wants is for you to have a good relationship with Him and to make the world a better place.

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Ya i always think that too. But then i can sort of see it her way. I know someone like that and women like that often worry about losing the guy if they refuse to have premarital sex. Maybe she has decided that being in love with him is enough. Others decide to wait till engagement. Not only premarital sex but notice that they were living together and many religious ppl frown on that. You never know why someone prays so you cant assume she's overly religious bc she carries prayer beads. Thats naive. And like someone else said thats like thinking that she cant be sinful just bc you see her with prayer beads or going to church. Lol. Naive and silly

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Tell that to the christians pointing fingers at other people claiming they are not saved.

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These tend to be the ones that hold the "once saved, always saved" doctrine which means once they're saved, it's impossible for them to backslide despite whatever horrible thing they do. I think that those who hold to that may be in for a nasty surprise. James 2:14-26 seems to indicate that you can still backslide even though you may have faith but your deeds are wicked.

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some ppl just pray but they're not religious, or not christians, is that so hard to comprehend

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I haven't read all the responses, but most(if not all) religious people are hypocrites and most people have premarital sex. This question is nonsensical for a movie thread.

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Who does everyone have to bash on everyone else ALL the time? Just.. chill people. I am religious and I have premarital sex. If you follow a religion it doesn't matter you have to do everything it says 100%.

By that logic any sort of belief which you may have but you don't follow everything by the letter, you become a hypocrite. The whole point of religion is to follow the spirit of it, not follow it to the letter. Human being are... human, and we are allowed to make mistakes.

In this case, I think you can't really know a woman until you sleep with her, so it's an obvious choice to sleep with that person BEFORE the marriage.

Unless we have a very different of what being religious means...

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That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, of course. We may never truly be able to minimise our problems to the degree we like, but that's what progress is all about.

There's a slogan written here. 'Happiness Will Walk Away'...

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I know a deeply religious girl who was a pregnant teen.

http://www.youtube.com/user/pumpkinman4ever?feature=mhum

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I don't think she was SO religious either, we never saw her bible-bash or go to church, saying a little prayer every day doesn't make you so relgious, just makes you a believer.

Theres plenty of people like her, make major or minor sins every day but still pray.













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