Ludicrous casting


If you've read the book, you know that Tim Cornish looks exactly like a young Robert Redford in his Butch Cassidy years (dazzlingly handsome), Ivo is also very good looking and dark, with black hair. Ditto Isabel. So how do they come up with this unattractive cast? Marc Warren as Ivo is just dumb. He may be a good actor but he is very average looking and washed-out in colouring. Tim is awe-struck when he first sees Ivo and describes him as "his type" with dark hair tumbling over his face. Definitely NOT Marc warren!

Lee Williams is certainly not anywhere near fabulously handsome.

Mikaela J is also inappropriately cast as the black-haired feminine Isabel.

The characters were well described in the book. Their looks were important to the story for various reasons. Why make these dumb casting choices?

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First at all, I have to say that I've never read the book. I'd love to do it, but I can't find it in my country. Even so, I read complaints similar to yours as regard to the physical appearance of the actors of the cast.

In fact, another user had said that Ivo was a black man in the book (and I guess Isabel, as his sister, must be a black woman too). I don't know if it's true, you can confirm that.
Personally, I think the most of films based in novels don't follow the book properly (just to mention a few cases: "The name of the rose"; some versions of "Anna Karenina"; and even "Troy" which has nothing to do with the original epic poem and so on).

In my opinion, the most important things are: the screenplay (it should respect the storyline more than other details) and the acting skills of the cast. In this particular movie, I think that both actors (Marc Warren and Lee Williams) were fantastic in their roles. Even if they don't match the physical features defined in the book, I think the main goal is keeping the psychological characteristics of the characters (and you can confirm if they succeeded in that or not).

I don't think they've chosen an "unattractive cast", as you said before. Warren and Williams looks totally handsome to me. As beauty is a matter of taste, I can understand that maybe they don't satisfy your "beauty standars", so to speak. I remember when Tim defined "his type" (in the movie), he didn't mentioned any physical feature. He said something like "his type" was "introvert" (I don't remember the exact word he used).

As regard to Mikela Mikael, I have to agree with you. She's not exactly a beautiful woman. In fact, she looks quite masculine, as you said before. But maybe she was chosen due to this lack of femininity.

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Ivo and Isabel are definitely not black in the book, who knows where someone got that idea! Tim is stunned by Ivo's appearance first time he sees him, and says something like "I didn't know I had a type, but that's it" and describes Ivo's narrow face, dark hair tumbling across it, slim build and I forget what else. The point of this instant attraction is made very clear in the novel.

And about Tim, throughout the book he's very self-centred and it's mentioned more than once in one way or the other that his gorgeous blonde Redford-like looks have gotten him through life. Isabel says at one point: "He never speaks a sentence that doesn't start with 'I'."

Yes, you are right, standards of beauty are subjective. I don't find Marc Warren the least bit attractive, he's goofy looking to me. Certainly completely wrong for the part of Ivo. I know some think he's good looking as I've seen him in other roles that call for a really good-looking man, and I wonder why on earth they chose him.

Isabel is certainly not unfeminine, and Tim falls in love with her at first sight pretty much the way he did with Ivo. Just absolutely smitten with the person's appearance. Isabel needs to be a gorgeous, black-haired woman (she's described as having long black hair) the way Ivo needs to be a gorgeous black-haired man.

I didn't read the novel, I listened to an unabridged audiobook read by Alex Jennings. It was excellent, even though the three main characters are so deeply flawed (selfish, immoral, cruel, disloyal and on and on) they are all thoroughly unlikable.

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if this was a 200m mega blockbuster, you could scour the world for the most beautiful actor alive to star as tim. But it was set in north norlfok digital and canada, so.

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Let's suppose you are in charge to choose the cast. And let's suppose that budget is not a problem. What actors would you choose to play the roles of Tim, Ivo and Isabel?

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I felt the casting was absolutely ok, and the acting was excellent.
I have read the book 2 or 3 times and although the two leads, Warren and Williams, don't match the physical characteristics of what was described in the novel, it matters little.
Look at Brokeback Mountain with Jake Gyllenhaal and the late Heath Ledger, also looked nothing like the two characters in Ms Proulx's short book, but the film was hailed as a success and great acting.
Whom would I have chosen in the parts, budget no probs ? Hard to say as I was happy with the two leads here.
I wouldn't have kept to the author's physical descriptions, but as Ivo, perhaps Jonathan Rhys Meyers, or Bradley James, and Taylor Lautner or Jeremy Irvine as Tim. Not ideal choices, but will need time again to mull over other possibilities.

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Hi, Ronfirv. We meet here again.

Choosing a different cast is difficult to me, too. Firstly because I didn't read the book, so maybe my choices wouldn't match the looks of the characters. But as I said before, the most important things (to me, at least) are: keeping the storyline and the psychological features of the characters. And last but not least, acting skills.
Secondly, it's hard to think of different actors because I liked the original cast. Their looks and acting skills are impeccable, in my opinion. Even so, I'll think about other possibilities.

Jonathan Rhys Meyers is so good actor. He can play a wide range of roles and he would be a really good Ivo. Other interesting actors for this role would be: Joseph Fiennes or even Sean Bean (I tend to think of Ivo as much older than Tim).
To play Tim Cornish I think about a younger man like Charlie Hunnan (maybe I couldn't forget that really funny show called "Queer as folk") or Tom Sturridge.
Not ideal choices, as you said before but the first ones that came to my mind. I haven't found the right actress for Isabel yet. Any suggestion?

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Fully agree your comments.
Sean Bean ? Doubt it, just too old for the role.
Charlie ? Not a bad choice.
Isabel.....Anne Hathaway maybe.

As you have just said, difficult to come up with alternative leads, when we liked the originals!

Btw, the book was penned by Barbara Vine and published by Penguin Books, of course with Offices in Canada, NZ, Australia, USA and India, so with so many worldwide offices, am sure a bookstore near where you live will obtain a copy somehow, sooner or later.

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I had found the book on Amazon, where you can find almost everything. But I didn't know it was published by Penguin Books. Penguin is really popular (in Latin America, at least). They publish a lot of books for English learners and English teachers who want to catch up their skills. I'll check out a couple of book shops where I usually buy my books in English. They have all you need to learn the language, from novels and short stories adapted for beginners to original editions for advanced students and teachers. I wonder if the book keeps all the mistery you can see in the movie where you don't know the truth until the very end. Thanks for the info.

As regard to your choice for Isabel...I must admit I don't like Anne Hathaway (as an actress, she is a beautiful woman). I think if language wasn't a problem, I'd choose the Italian actress Giovanna Mezzogiorno. She speaks English and she has filmed in that language but her accent tends to be very strong (like the accent of almost all Italians -like me-).

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Yes, the book keeps much of the mystery, but do you know, in this instance, I preferred the film? Usually with me I prefer the book to film. Good luck in finding it in Penguin by the way - I have a copy on my shelf at home.
Must confess, the Italian actress is unknown to me.

How about for Tim, Sean Faris ? Ivo, the French actor, Stephane Rideau ? Not sure how well he speaks English but he is a soooo good actor.

Unsure in some ways why some on here dislike Marc Warren ; thought he was good in the role. Admittedly not classically handsome, but has a hint of ruggedness and I thought he was sexy! We see him quite often on British tv.

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It's time of my confession: Sean Faris and Stephane Rideau are unknown to me. I checked out both names on Google and I must say that I find the original cast more attractive.

Like you, I can't understand why so many people seem to dislike Marc Warren. Well, I should say Warren's appearance. I think his acting skills are out of discussion. Although he's a bit short, I find his face really attractive. His eyes, lips and bone structure in general are really handsome and masculine (for my liking, at least). Her voice and the way he speaks are very appealing, too.
I know he's well known as a TV actor in the UK. Do you know something? Warren signed for the next season of "The Good Wife" and he has moved to New York for that reason. I don't watch the show but I've read that his role is a quite twisted character: the dangerous ex husband of one of the main characters. Good for him!

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We seem agreed at least - we stay with the original cast!
(Didn't know Marc W. had moved to NY, I guess temporarily).

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