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What Has Changed In Dublin/Ireland since this?


Even though I am a yank..I vaguely remember hearing about Veronica Guerin's murder (I am full blooded Irish and was a criminal justice major in college). I know about some laws being changed because of her murder, but what exactly has changed. I mean here in the U.S. we have RICO which seizes assets of drug dealers (which I seem to understand is what the Irish legislature passed after Guerins death), but because the drug trade in Ireland is not well known here what is there to learn? I plan on seeing this when it opens, but I just want to find out from those who actually live through the changes..

Amy

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Sadly not much. Nobody was ever convicted of her murder. Although the man thaught responsible John Gilligan was sentenced to 27 years for drug running.
Some laws were changed but im not sure how effective they have been as this year in Ireland has been the worst year in history for gang related deaths.
I dont know if things can ever change as there are so many gangs now involved in the drug seen including the IRA.

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Actually, Paul Ward was convicted of her murder in November 1998 and sentenced to life imprisonment. Brian Meehan, who drove the bike was sentenced to life in 1999.

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They set up the CAB (Criminal Assets Bureau) to sieze....ummm...criminal assets :-)

It has been quite successful and those that moan that it was actually given too much power are usually the ones hiding something. That said, it suffered a set back recently when it was forced to return the Gilligan mansion and stud farm to John Gilligan's wife.

Apart from that, the day-to-day drugs trade hasn't changed much. Sure, they removed major key figures after Guerin's death, but after a short respite others simply took their places

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where they not overturned?

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geez..so they pulled an 'Al Capone' on Gilligan (without the Skipper and Mary Ann..sorry I had to make a dumb joke!!) The Feds here arrested Al Capone on tax evasion and got him imprisoned for that instead of all the murders that he ordered....

I may be mistaken of course, but hasn't the IRA toned done its act? I was in London in 1995 and was there when a bomb went off by Paliament...pretty scary...Of course one of the dumbasses that blew up the Oklahoma City federal building was caught about 5 miles from where I went to college...so I think I'm cursed...

Its funny how someone (sorry don't have the name in front of me right now) said that drug running in Dublin is getting worse... New York City used to be like that. In all the movies from the 70's and 80's that you may have seen NYC portrayed in- they were all true..druggies and all that all over the place...Rudy Giuliani cleaned it up big time by institiuting a policy which is called 'broken windows', because you start by cleaining up the lesser crime and such, such as getting rid of lots of porn shops, demolishing abandoned buildings, and people will come,....wonder if that will work over there???

Amy

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Well Dublin isn't really big enough to have abandoned buildings to demolish, or very many porn stores. As for the IRA, their paramilitary activity has stopped as a result of the Good Friday Agreement back in 98, but they're still heavily involved in drugs and gang crime in Dublin and other cities.

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I see...I grew up outside Detroit Michigan and that city sizewise is about the same as Dublin..and boy its bad...When I lived in Michigan (for my 1st 21 years) Detroit was mostly poor or lower middle class black folk. The mayor for a gazillion years was a corrupt as the police in Dublin, and he was working with the police who were horribly bad...once the mayor died and new people came into power..the corrupt ones were kicked to the curb...they started cleaning up Detroit, and our hockey team is the best, and that brought a lot of the suburban folk to inner city detroit to watch them play...although what kinda freaked me out was that when we went to the 1997 detroit red wings stanley cup parade in detroit there was a music festival about 2 block up from where the parade started...all the people at the festival were 98% black and most at the parade were 98% white...but since they've started building nice new lofts and restaurants and added 3 casinos, money is coming into the city and the drug dealers are moving elsewhere (Canada maybe?)

I just find it ironic that no one in the States even thinks of Ireland as being horrible when it comes to drugs....

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Well a recent report puts us top for Ecstasy and Speed us in Europe
and in the top 5 for the world! It is hard to know how reliable these
reports are but it would be fair to say that E & S are very commmon
among young people of all classes. A middle class kid recently gouged out
his own eye in a drug induced frenzy after taking 9 - 15 ecstasy
tablets. He came from a quiet and affluent suburb.
An economic boom has created a lot more disposable income (even since
Veronicas death) and cocaine use which was rare is now becoming very
very popular - in fact a survey in popular nightspot toilets found
cocaine present in 50% and some have taken to removing shelfs and
flat surfaces to discourage snorting.
Heroin is generally restricted to poor urban areas and is not common
outside Dublin. The main thrust of this is that all this recreational
and serious drug use creates a massive demand that criminal gangs are
only too happy to capitilise on. The IRA have always been involved
to fund their operations but there are a lot of established criminal
families with strong links.
Limerick a city near me has become notorious of gang fighting (mainly
two families), which has resulted in many deaths.
Hard to know what the answer is but Ireland definitely has an alcohol
and drug consumption higher than most developed nations. The gov have
tried to address by reducing pub hours etc...

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Thank you for the information/....I understand about the alcohol thing...I don't know why everyone thinks Colin Farrell is the bomb..to me he's a drunk hoar...one magazine here joked that his kid should be named Guinness Farrell...

So Limerick has the equivelant of the Bloods and the Crips...interesting...are they like many of the gangs here, that kill only opposing gang members or are they killing innocents as well (not including innocents who got in the way of one banger killing another banger)...

I think everyone has an Ecstasy problem and mostly Meth/Speed problem. Meth is so cheap to make and most don't have to go to a dealer to get it...so its popular...unfortunately they tend to blow up their houses quite often.... Many small motels are being invaded by meth-heads to make their meth there so they don't blow up their own house, just the hotel....

I am so interested in this...thank you to all the Irish folk who have made this an interesting discussion.

Amy

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Oh yeah, that eye gouging story was pretty screwed up. Poor guy thought he had rats in his skull, didnt he? And he wanted to get them out.

Anyway, as for Limerick, it's two feuding families, the Ryans and the......ummm.......the second name escapes me at the moment. I think its Kelly. Anyway on the whole they're keeping it within the families, but a lot of family members not directly involved (eg children) are being targeted. Also Limerick has the highest violent crime rate in the country (at least, it did in a report in 2002) with plenty of innocents being mugged and stabbed. We don't call it "Stab City" for nothing. It's safe to say a lot of the culprits are from one or other family. There's also another element to this feud in that the Real IRA are making a fortune out of it, supplying BOTH sides with high calibre weaponry for very high prices.

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I say just send them all to a deserted island and play a real game of Survivor...so does the IRA still exist in its past form..or is it just pretty much criminal stuff?




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It looks like paramilitary activities have stopped, but there are so many splinter factions that aren't interested in the Peace Process, like The Real IRA and the Continuity IRA. When you hear talk of the Real IRA, they're not actually the *real* IRA, its just the name they gave themselves, they're an extremist splinter faction. The *real* IRA is actually called the Provisional IRA / Sinn Fein, and even that's not the original real IRA since the 1970s when the there was a split and some more moderate members went off to form the now legitimate political Workers Party. And the splits on the Loyalist side are even more confusing.

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I'm rereading my history on the past IRA/ Sinn Fein..its fascinating...so is Ireland reunited yet...or does no one want that or what...

Ecstasy is a huge problem here, but mostly around teenagers and early 20's people...one guys sat in the middle of Interstate 70 out here and got run over by a truck..apparently he just wanted to relax...bad place to do it...

Sammy 'The Bull' Gravano (who ratted on John Gotti in the early 90's mob thing) was arrested for trafficking Ecstasy and I think he got sentenced to some prison time for that...what a dummy...




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Yeah, E's fairly prevelent here too. Aparantly there's some in every bar and nightclub in the city. I'd have to say though that I've never come across any. Obviously im just not in with the "right" people. You know when you're a kid and you're going from primary school to secondary school (uuummm...elementary to high) and your mom tells you all these drug stories and not to accept anything from anyone in school, and all the parents seem convinced that everyone in secondary (high) school gets approached and offered drugs? That's never happened to me either. The only things I've ever really encountered are magic mushrooms and hash.

And no, Ireland's nowhere close to being reunited, which is only a good thing. I live in the Republic so technically I guess I'm supposed to want reunification and to "kick the Brits out" and all that crap, but it's infinitely more complex than that. The way I see it, the Irish fought for 700 years to get Britain out, and more relevent to modern times, the Republicans (ie the terrorist groups) have spent the last 30 years trying to get the brits out of the north and bring Northern Ireland under the Republic's rule. This is a baaaaaaad idea. All that will happen is that the roles will be reversed. Then Loyalist paramilitaries will launch bombing campaigns in the North and in the Republic, in Dublin and so on, just like the IRA did in London. And since Ireland has nowhere near as much money or experience as the UK has in dealing with that sort of thing, we'd bassically be massacred. There's also the fact that the economy in the North is a joke and is currently a HUGE drain on the British. If the North became part of the Republic, we'd be totally screwed. I say let the UK keep it.

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Not to be funny about a serious issue, but I love it...Let the Brits keep it...

I kinda feel the same about Puerto Rico..what the hell are we doing hanging on to it...I work for a major online and offline travel agency and we don't have a Spanish line (which is fine because I think people should speak the language of the country they live in)but we advertise in P.R> and they all speak espanol...argh

I guess it seems that at least N.I and the Republic (I feel like I'm talking Star Wars) are not like North and South Korea...thats a sad situation with family members divided and you can't even go and see them.

My boyfriend, who is Irish but is totally ignorant of Irish history, was looking at flight options for us for next year and he was like..we're going to Belfast right? Argh...

I'm only 25, (26 in December) but even among our age group E's not very popular...I think because its market towards teens that its so big. Meth I saw every day when I was a 911 dispatcher (emergency service) for the sheriff's office here, and my ex fiance had to go and bust meth houses...My dad also lives in Tennessee (which is in the south of the U.S.) and they all do 'hillbilly heroin' i.e. Oxycontin...

I'm going back to college (I already have my bachelor's in Criminal Justice)to get my nursing degree because I think that is much more closer to my heart...but drug addiction is a sad sad thing...

Then you have dumbass Colin Farrell being a drunken hoar...can we export him back to y'all? Sorry...I think he acts a fool...

Amy

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P.R. right now is like a state...rather than a country. They are officially listed as a U.S. commonwealth and enjoy the majority, if not all, the benefits of being a U.S. state. With that said, I do believe it's actually their decision to remain this way. They do not have to invest in a military because it's our responsiblity. They have duty-free access to the US and tax incentives, US firms have invested heavily in Puerto Rico since the 1950s. US minimum wage laws apply. So, right now at least, it's in their best interest to remain a commonwealth but they could potentially secede. It's not as if we are forbidding them to do so.

Interesting fact: U.S. accounts for 53 percent of P.R. Imports.....but Ireland is 2nd with 15 percent. Who would've thought it.....

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From what I understand, some like it the way it is..some want to secede...I think they tried to many many years ago and it didn't work. I don't think they would have the government to sustain itself but again, suprises to happen...they do have a great tourism industry/ but if you look at some other independent Carribbean countries...i.e. Haiti, D.R. not too good there....

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I know you'll probably never see this comment, Undertakeress, since your comment is from almost 12 years ago, but I laughed out loud at your comment mentioning the Skipper and Mary Anne! Thanks for the good laugh!

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