I don't feel bad for her.


She was a selfish idiot that kept going at a topic that she knew was seriously dangerous. Left her children motherless and husband a widow, some hero.

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I question her actions but not her motives. I think someone who gave so much to the battle against drugs deserves a little pity.

Get busy livin, or get busy dyin...that's goddam right.

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Go back to school eamonn7; you're incoherent here.

I don't feel remotely sorry for Veronica Guerin; I feel sorry for her family and everyone who loved her.
She behaved in a completely reckless manner over MARIJUANA for crying out loud! She risked the life of her little boy over pot; how incredibly irresponsible and arrogant is that? Her career was more important to her than the life of her child and that is inexcusable.
Just because the movie says this was about heroin doesn't make it so. The dealer the film portrayed as a smack seller in actuality sold pot. There is a HUGE difference between heroin and weed.
How frakking stupid and selfish do you have to be to go after organized crime and not realize that either you or your family will pay the ultimate price?

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"She behaved in a completely reckless manner over MARIJUANA for crying out loud!"


Ummm.. it was heroine.. not Marijuana.. only ONE website has said that it was Marijuana, and they neglected to provide any sources, heroine is far worse than weed.



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It's spelled HEROIN. Heroine is a female hero! Maybe you should have used spell check...

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It is quite possible that the person that spelled it heroine is aware of the history of the drug you may not know it but it was considered to be the "HEROINE" drug. It was developed by Bayer the company that makes aspirin. When it was given to soldiers it made them capable to preform heroic acts and become heroes and heroines. The common spelling today is Heroin but it is derived from the concept of the drugs ability to turn people into heroes and heroines fearlessly charging into enemies fire. So when the drug was first developed it was considered the heroine drug and often spelled heroine.

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talk about 'blaming the victim' here.

wonder how you lot feel about soldiers? "how stupid and selfish do you have to be to join the army".

she got murdered.. why dont you vent your anger and rage at the people who kill others for a living?

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The people who killed her, the low level lackeys for the mob, were pond scum, yes. They went to prison- and rightfully so. The people who actually ordered her killed and sold drugs and committed a thousand other crimes- the death penalty would be too good for them. No one here is defending the murderers and dealers.

However, that isn't to say that Guerin didn't practically beg to be shot. Pardon the crudeness but she did everything but paint a bullseye target on her butt and staple a sign saying "Shoot Me" to the back of her head. She bears AT LEAST partial responsibility for what happened to her, doesn't she? Why can't we agree on two points and conclude that they were horrible AND she was insane? Both can be simultaneously true. One doesn't negate the other.

These men were wolves, no doubt. But how much sympathy can you have for someone who knowingly and deliberately walks right into a den?

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Fliphop, you seem not to realize the natural cowardice that afflicts most people. I thought she was as much a hero as a soldier is in combat. But most people will take the side of the mob here because that's easier for them to do. Guerin's life is a reproach to them. Of course they're going to be hostile and rationalize that hostility.






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I agree with queen-smartass, I posted this in another thread


When you have a child your life is no longer your own, you have a responsibility to your child. I lost all respect for her when she put her child's and family's life in danger. The bullet through the window in her house could have killed a family member. She was warned if she continued something would happen to her son.

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You obviously have never seen this movie or didn't pay much attention to what was going on! Or maybe you're just retarded! It wasn't Marijuana, it was Heroin! DUH! Your screen name should be changed to Queen Dumbass! LOL!

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ok first of all - eamonn - i read that 3 times and i'm still not quite sure what you're trying to say. as for the rest of you haters - she may have been cavalier but her bravery led to a huge dent in the ireland drugworld... and while i dont care about drugs - i do like the fact that hundreds of guns were confiscated as direct and indirect results of her life and death.

either way - even if she was an imbecile who played fast and loose with her life and the safety of her child - try and show a little respect or, barring that, class.

i know this is the internet - but christ

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She had the courage to do what so very few of us would be able to.
She will always be a hero to me no matter what is said from the comfortable safety of an internet forum.

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Lol, so everyone should retreat in the face of danger? Everyone should be a coward? If everyone was a coward, nothing would ever happen, we'd all just sit inside writing idiotic posts on IMDB.

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No I didnt feel sorry for her as it was portrayed in the film. She either chose to be a martyr or she was completely deluded about the mortal danger she was putting herself and her family in. Which is hard to comprehend given the history of the threats, shootings and beatings.

She gave her life to expedite some new drug laws, was it worth the price she paid? Her son and the people who loved her probably would prefer her to still be living. Since this was a cause she was passionate about and committed to, by taking care and surviving she could have effected a lot more positive change over the course of her lifetime.

My opinion is that she was doing a good thing but she was like a bull in a china shop. Couldn't she have found a way to work with the authorities to bring these guys down? Or did she prefer to be the lone, crusading reporter who wanted to bask in the glory and accolades of her work?

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My opinion is that she was doing a good thing but she was like a bull in a china shop. Couldn't she have found a way to work with the authorities to bring these guys down? Or did she prefer to be the lone, crusading reporter who wanted to bask in the glory and accolades of her work?


The problem was that the authorities couldn't have cared less about types like John Gilligan and were quite content with the status quo. It wasn't until Guerin's murder that the Irish authorities bothered introducing laws that allowed criminal assets to be stripped away.

Reading some of the posts on this thread is a hoot. If Veronica Guerin doesn't reach your defintion of a hero, then who for Heaven's sake does?

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Reading some of the posts on this thread is a hoot. If Veronica Guerin doesn't reach your definition of a hero, then who for Heaven's sake does?


I only have one hero and that is my father.
He worked hard to provide for his family but no matter how tired he was from his work he always had time to spend with me his son. My father died over 20 years ago but I still have memories of him and no matter how busy he was he would always stop what he was doing to answer my questions or help me when I needed it. We have no way of knowing what Veronica's relationship was with her child but from what we are shown in the movies. I hope that there many hours of quality time spent with a child that was not shown in the movie. I was blessed with a father whose main priority was taking care of and spending time with his family. Sadly based on the information that was given in the movie I don't believe that she made her family and children a top priority.



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You all are talking like sissies...
Morality is much more important than just being alive for sake of family and doing nothing...i cant believe you ppl who are talking against her...if she kept her mouth shut...would it make any difference???
She did what she had to do...that was her job.
She wasnt shot coz she was so stupid...she was shot coz she did her job well.






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Well said.

Most people who post here, either don't do jobs they dreamed of doing.

Or don't work at all.

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[quote]Most people who post here, either don't do jobs they dreamed of doing.
Or don't work at all. [quote]
Does that disqualify them from having an opinion? I'm doing my dream job, can I have an opinion?

I feel neither bad for her, nor disdainful.
My questions: what was she hoping to accomplish?
What did she actually accomplish?
And what exactly was she expecting?

If she thought showing up on gangsters' doorstep asking provocative questions was getting her anything but death threats to her and her kid, punches and bullets, she was not courageous, she was a bloody fool. And if she thought drug dealers would stop dealing or drug users would stop buying because she wrote anything in the paper, she might have given too much power to news articles.

There's nothing courageous or honorable in sacrificing your life for nothing. Pointless and relentless pursuit of "the truth" for its own sake is just a waste of life. Living to make changes, that's courageous. Dying for it? not so much.

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"if she thought drug dealers would stop dealing or drug users would stop buying because she wrote anything in the paper, she might have given too much power to news articles. "


Well what the hell could she have done? All you can do is bring attention to a problem and hope it will bring about change, the news has brought more change, for good and bad, than a great many more things.

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I get your point and agree to a certain degree. Can´t manage to make sense of it all. If it was that she was willing to die and become a martyr Irland could rally under,I might look at it differently...but what was fact and a line by a whore really turn into something else is that Traynor got her shot in the leg on purpose.Of course..who aims for the head and hits the leg? That was a wise warning...

Still,if we don´t feel bad for her and thinks she should´ve minded her own business 1.Several heavy players ruining lives wouldn´t do time and 2.We also compromise with these gangsters posing as law-abiding citizens.Threats works,business as usual,no one stands up for anything,greed and evil prevails etc.

She should´ve stopped after getting the beating.Gilligan got unwanted attention from just that. I feel sorry for her family and I don´t know what drove her.She was very stupid and pretty brave and manipulative. Either I feel a bit sorry for her or she got what she deserved.She didn´t get what she deserved.

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