the ending?????


i might sound silly but i was wondering if anyone cud tell me what the ending means? or their opinion on it? here are some ideas others came up with.

is he her inheritor?
does it mean she dies? like the young man kills her or something?
does it means she has another um lover in the young man?

is it just left open to interpretation for artistic licence?
it was a lovely movie...but then again i love Williams and i always thought that it just meant she lived her life with another man again, someone younger once again but that this is her life now that she is a fading star. but since when i watched it with other people everyone had a different explanation so my interpretation of the ending unravelled.

let me know what u think. thanks.

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Hello,
well I JUST finished watching the movie, and I too, was baffled by the ending, but I saw the ending to mean that the young man represented death, and she welcomed him because she felt old and she thought her beauty had faded, and she had no reason to go on any longer. I also felt that the ending lead to this conclusion, because she doesn't have Paolo, she feels all her beauty is gone, and she doesn't care anymore, she has nothing to care about, because of all of that she throws the keys at the young man's feet. I also come to the conclusion that they young man represented death in all of his mystery because he was dark, seductive, silent, and somewhat more attractive than Paolo. And to a woman like Mrs. Stone what could be more attractive than Paolo, other than death.

Sincerely,
Nate

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In my opinion, that young man's actor performed in a way of being attracted to her rather than hating her throughout the film, the ending of which at least sends a message "not to judge people by their appearance." Not just the ending, the whole film has lots of stuff for viewers with various backgrounds to interpret on their own, where I see the greatness of this film really is, which makes sense why it was remade after 40 years.

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Thank you all for explaining the film. I too felt that the young man was attrated to Mrs Stone. He acted as if she was his long-lost mother or ?? There was quite a lot of emotions expressed from his eyes.

Does anyone know what it means when the young man took a pee in Mrs Stone's presence?

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I just rented the movie this past weekend...

To me, the young man represented a tailored death. He watches her and follows her and learns everything about her.

He urinates in public to humiliate and disrespect her and show her what she has become. He exposes himself in another scene to symbolize again that she is consumed with the flesh. I feel that if he felt a positive attraction, whether sexual or maternal, a gift of a flower he found in the street or another small gift or token may have served better than urinating and fondling himself. He has followed her and maybe in the beginning, he might have cared for her, but seeing how she carries on with the other men, he is disgusted and feels that he should degrade and destroy her, it seems to be what she likes. There's a scene when Oliver Martinez (actor) is on the balcony and the young man spit when he saw him -- another scene where Oliver passes not 1 foot in front of the young homeless man one night as he's leaving her house and he acts as though he doesn't even see the young man. Even Oliver's character recognizes that Mrs. Stone is not the average woman, but since she has lowered her standards in desperation, even he no longer respects her.

In the end, it was clear that Mrs. Stone had given up, but I pondered as she flung the keys to the ground:

1. She's chosen a new lover in the homeless guy and will continue to spiral downwards, this seems to be the only man who "seems" to care about her and she might as well sink into the filthy depths, she's come this far and is addicted...

2. She's leaving Rome for America and will leave the apartment to the homeless guy and everything behind (not likely, she would have packed up and handed him the keys on the street on the way to the airport, right?)

3. She gets the hints he's been giving about her plight and finally welcomes death because she really has no career and no husband and is ashamed of what she's done and of being old and unloved

What do you think?

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I also thought that the young man represented Death. However, I think perhaps, more literally, she knew that this man desired her and in the end, she wanted to be desirable to someone, anyone.

I have to say, the homeless men in "Italy" are looking pretty fine. Heck, I'd invite him up.

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Reading the responses here and things written in the other sections about this movie, I like this last explanation best. My humble opinion the ending could have meant both death and giving into need with abandon. Need of being wanted that is.

While I was reading about the young man representing death and whatnot, I remembered the scene where gigilo walked past the young man and the young man spat -- If I were to try and derive meaning post-viewing, I /could/ say that possibly death felt threatend by Paolo because he knew he could stave it off?

Death chased, stalked, and haunted her at every turn, but he generally showed himself to her when she was down about herself. She was disgusted and horrified by him/it, which again could lend me to believe this slant on the character. I dunno, I can keep going --

Death watched her snatched from his grasp and thrown into a relationship that caused her to thrive and want to be alive -- Hence the puppydog eyes? Made him look beautiful, but ... I spent the entire film trying to figure out why the young man always seemed to be on the verge of tears. I suppose I could summon a "death wanting" analogy out of it, but it is starting to make me feel as if my trying to understand this character is really putting too much depth into it. I always crack up when people do that with songs. Maybe he was simply just a young man entranced by her and she simply gave herself to him in the end because she needed to be needed, and he adored and needed her more than anyone else. I mean, just look at what a good bath would do for him! (Sorry, I've seen this actor in two movies now where he was dirty through the whole thing. I wonder if that wears thin after a time?)

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I think you may have hit it on the head, the analogy with death... We are looking at this play/movie through 2004 eyes... Things were so different in Tennessee Williams day... It was a much simpler, less sophisticated time, and we are so jaded now, compared to those days... I think our expectations are sometimes not realistic, given the time that has elapsed.

Anyhoo, I wanted to say that I rented this movie because of Rodrigo Santoro. In my opinion he is a sex god himself... I saw him in "Behind the Sun" and "Love Actually". I am 44 and perhaps I have a bit of Mrs Stone in me too!

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what character did he play in Love Actually? I didn't see his name in the credits.

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Rodrigo Santoro is in Love Actually. He plays Karl, the guy that the character Sarah (Laura Linney) has a "secret" crush on at work - rightfully so!!!

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Rodrigo was also invited to star "Turistas" an American film that will be shot this year in Brazil.

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"Anyhoo"??????? Can you not spell "anyhow"???????? I mean, it's one letter.

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what are you, the spelling police??!

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No, but I'm a user who can comment however I please, and a person who finds baby talk among adults to be a sad trend these days. Perhaps it is a regional spelling, but in the States, it has become synonymous with decidedly UN-cutesy words like "laterz," etc.

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i thought she threw the keys to him b/c she wanted someone to want her for all that she was and the young man wanted her.

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yup.... that was what I thought too. Anyway... with Rodrigo Santoro so hot ... that was what I hoped.

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hi thanx everytone 4 ur replies,
i had checked ages ago and found no replied, then i forgot abt it, just visited again, after ages..and found so many... ...thanx everyone ur replies have certainly helped me understand better... :)

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The ending confused me too.... If someone stalked me, pee'd on me, whipped out his d**k in front of me, I sure as hell would NOT throw him the keys to my apartment no matter how down and out I was. Yes, he has a cute face, but he was creepy and GROSS. The "death" analysis never occured to me, but now that I think about it, it does make sense. My question is.......Does he murder her like Paolo suggests in an earlier scene? that she dies in bed with her throat slit?

Did this film remind you of "Up at the Villa?" The socialite hooks up with a poor, dirty transient....

I adore Anne Bancroft and Helen Mirren. I enjoyed the film.

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After reading a lot of biographies of Tennessee Williams, I understand the ending of the novel The Roman Spring of Mrs Stone was not as dark and deadly as we all think. The stranger who's invited to Mrs Stone's appartment symbolizes another stranger who doesn't really love her and is just after her money ... and after him another stranger ... It goes round in circles, and that itself is hell for poor Mrs Stone ...
(Sorry for my English.)

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<< After reading a lot of biographies of Tennessee Williams, I understand the ending of the novel The Roman Spring of Mrs Stone was not as dark and deadly as we all think. The stranger who's invited to Mrs Stone's appartment symbolizes another stranger who doesn't really love her and is just after her money >>

I agree with this. The ending is ambiguous as to what will happen between Mrs. Stone and the stranger, and the original version makes the scene more ominous....but Tennessee Williams did not usually associate hot young men with death (except in that one piece, The Milk Train Doesn't Stop Here Anymore.)

The New Orleans trollies that inspired the title in Streetcar had 2 lines, one marked "Desire" and one "Cemetery". They represent opposite forces to him. Sex is usually seen as a life-giving, rehabilitating force in his works...in general. (At least, as I understand it.)

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i agree!

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I am aware that this thread was started back in 2003, but, what the heck, I'll give it a try anyway - after all, I too was wondering about the role of the young beggar (which I think is ambiguous on purpose).

The answer, I think, might lie in Karen's words to Paolo: "When the time comes when I am no longer desirable for myself <rather than for my wealth>, I'd rather not be desired at all". The young beggar does seem to desire her "for herself".

On the ther hand, Paolo tells her this grizzly story about a woman "like her" who was found killed.

So, who knows...

Anyway, I find it an eminently watchable film.

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I took the ending to mean one of two things:
either she dies (having taken sleeping pills)and finally plasuring the man who has waited for her throughout the film and her being with ((ick (the character)..(ick ick the actor)) Paulo.
or it could be...
she finally sees she just has to await death and perhaps goes now with a man who will worship her, wait for her, not insult her, etc. Also, she may see him as a means save face by dressing him up and parading him around as her own.
She may feel so low and worthless that she may actually become a Madam herself.

Really though, it is probably the first one. The second would make for an interesting sequel though.
I loved Helen, Anne, and the guy who played the bum as well as Brian Dennehy who is a superb talent and was in the film for way too short a time.
But that Paulo guy couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. bad casting on a main role made it hard for me to watch at times, as I for one would never let myself be treated that way. I would have kicked him in the ba##s and smacked the Madam long before that end. ;)
But it was a good watch anyhow.
Shel

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I have only seen this wonderful film once, but this is how I interpret the film and the ending:

I think that the ending represents that she has finally got rid of society's mores....represented by her old life, and has accepted a life of anarchy, which she feels is more truth to her innerself at this stage in her life. She is rebelling against her destiny.

Society had not understood her devastation and loneliness after her husband's death. Society had pigeonholed her as 'the rich widow'. She thought her life had been mapped out for her, a life of happiness with her husband, albeit a life with no sexual intimacy because of her husband's health/impotence.

Once in Rome, at first she is disgusted by the homeless man, not only at him physically, the state of him, but at his lack of decorum by peeing in front of her and insinuating himself to her. At this stage she feels she is superior to him... this lowlife. She discovers or rediscovers her sexuality thanks to the gigolo, Olivier Martinez's character...and his company diverts her from the reality of her 'widow' status. So far, society allows her to have fun with this man, it is even expected in her circles, but she wants more. She wants love too.....or at least to be assured that he will not leave her to face her loneliness again and the reality of her widow status.

Later on, once she realises the Olivier character has moved on to somebody else, and she is left to face an empty apartment, symbolising her empty existense, she realises that like the homeless man, she too has hit rock bottom because her life now truly does seem to be mapped out for her...the life of a widow ...unless of course she decides to go back into society and accept society's rules and maybe remarry some day, and live the hypocritical life she had led before coming to Rome after her husband's death, and learning what real physical passion and having a carefree existense on the fringes of society means. So far she had been just on the fringes, not totally outside society and it's mores and it's preconceived ideas of how and how she shouldn't behave.

She decides to fully ditch society, not to go down that known route again, and decides to live a life full of unexpected surprises, for better or for worse. Hence, she let's the homeless man into her home....the unexpected, the dangerous, something that she would have never done before. This man lusts after her, yet he also seems moved by her.

It is a risk she wants to take, he can kill her or he can love her...anything better than her whole life being mapped out for her, a lonely life leading to a lonely death (represented by the clock ticking).

Some people on this board seem to think he represents Death, and that he kills her...but I don't recall him killing her at all. To me he just represents freedom, and freedom can be dangerous and also liberating........

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Probably meant to be a "secret ending"...I'm not sure, there are some points that speak for and against both ending possibilities (so new lover or death).

I own the dvd and perhaps it may interest some people that in the chapter list
the last chapter (29), that's the last scene, the one in which Mrs Stone invites the stranger in, is named "The needs of a woman".

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Yes, knowing the chapter title helps. Imo that means that the tramp represents supressed desire and freedom and with freedom comes fear, hence his ambiguity. I don't think that he kills her at all....no, she has opened the door to a life that isn't mapped out....wherever that will take her.

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